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THESKINSFAN21
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| Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Cooley might be a better blocker than Davis,when healthy. But hes not as athletic,fast or have as good of hands.
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RSkinGM
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Cooley might be a better blocker than Davis,when healthy. But hes not as athletic,fast or have as good of hands. |
I agree --cept the hands comment .. He has the better hands ,, over Davis. |
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| RSkinGM wrote: | | THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Cooley might be a better blocker than Davis,when healthy. But hes not as athletic,fast or have as good of hands. |
I agree --cept the hands comment .. He has the better hands ,, over Davis. |
On top of that Cooley has always had a knack for getting open in the middle of the field and making the tough catches. Which Davis hasn't quite mastered yet. He left Grossman out to dry a few times last year
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Thats a big if. And Im still not sure that statement is true. |
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THESKINSFAN21
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| dante9876 wrote: | | Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Thats a big if. And Im still not sure that statement is true. |
Im not sure if its true either,i believe Davis will have a better career than Cooley.
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| THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Thats a big if. And Im still not sure that statement is true. |
Im not sure if its true either,i believe Davis will have a better career than Cooley. |
Davis has a long, long way till he becomes the best TE in redskins history, which is what Cooley currently is.
I think Davis is the more physically gifted player.
I think If healthy (and from reports Cooley is) Cooley is the better all around TE and all around football player.
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Marcus21
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| Quote: | | One cure is to build the linebacker's coverage confidence by having them cover a very slow Chris Cooley this year in practice. Reports out of OTAs are that even Perry Riley can cover Cooley now |
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I hate this because Cooley is one of my all time favorite skins!!! If Cooley makes this team, Im not sure he will see the field much!!!!!! |
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turtle28
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Marcus21 wrote: | | Quote: | | One cure is to build the linebacker's coverage confidence by having them cover a very slow Chris Cooley this year in practice. Reports out of OTAs are that even Perry Riley can cover Cooley now |
http://redskinshogheaven.com/
I hate this because Cooley is one of my all time favorite skins!!! If Cooley makes this team, Im not sure he will see the field much!!!!!! |
He's always been slow, but he still gets open. His 40 time coming out of Utah st was 4.87...
Paul runs a 4.5 and Davis runs a 4.76.
Cooley has never been a burner
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| turtle28 wrote: | | Marcus21 wrote: | | Quote: | | One cure is to build the linebacker's coverage confidence by having them cover a very slow Chris Cooley this year in practice. Reports out of OTAs are that even Perry Riley can cover Cooley now |
http://redskinshogheaven.com/
I hate this because Cooley is one of my all time favorite skins!!! If Cooley makes this team, Im not sure he will see the field much!!!!!! |
He's always been slow, but he still gets open. His 40 time coming out of Utah st was 4.87...
Paul runs a 4.5 and Davis runs a 4.76.
Cooley has never been a burner |
I think thats the point. You are right Cooley has never been fast. The fact that he is noticeably slower in camp is not a good sign. Im rooting for him and really want him to succeed. I just dont think ts in the cards. Truthfully I dont think his body will hold up 6 games, so its prolly a mute point  |
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turtle28
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| Marcus21 wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | Marcus21 wrote: | | Quote: | | One cure is to build the linebacker's coverage confidence by having them cover a very slow Chris Cooley this year in practice. Reports out of OTAs are that even Perry Riley can cover Cooley now |
http://redskinshogheaven.com/
I hate this because Cooley is one of my all time favorite skins!!! If Cooley makes this team, Im not sure he will see the field much!!!!!! |
He's always been slow, but he still gets open. His 40 time coming out of Utah st was 4.87...
Paul runs a 4.5 and Davis runs a 4.76.
Cooley has never been a burner |
I think thats the point. You are right Cooley has never been fast. The fact that he is noticeably slower in camp is not a good sign. Im rooting for him and really want him to succeed. I just dont think its in the cards. Truthfully I dont think his body will hold up 16 games, so its prolly a mute point |
Hard to tell at this point. Some say he's in his best shape ever. I guess we'll have to wait till preseason to see how he really looks out there
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| turtle28 wrote: | | THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Thats a big if. And Im still not sure that statement is true. |
Im not sure if its true either,i believe Davis will have a better career than Cooley. |
Davis has a long, long way till he becomes the best TE in redskins history, which is what Cooley currently is.
I think Davis is the more physically gifted player.
I think If healthy (and from reports Cooley is) Cooley is the better all around TE and all around football player. |
Calling Cooley the best TE in Redskins history is a big slap in the face to Clint Diddier,Terry Orr and even Doc Walker lol. Fail
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| TKellion wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Thats a big if. And Im still not sure that statement is true. |
Im not sure if its true either,i believe Davis will have a better career than Cooley. |
Davis has a long, long way till he becomes the best TE in redskins history, which is what Cooley currently is.
I think Davis is the more physically gifted player.
I think If healthy (and from reports Cooley is) Cooley is the better all around TE and all around football player. |
Calling Cooley the best TE in Redskins history is a big slap in the face to Clint Diddier,Terry Orr and even Doc Walker lol. Fail |
Check the numbers, and then check the players he had to play with and the multiple regimes he's had to play under. Cooley is the best or Jerry Smith, then you can start talking those other guys.
1. Jerry Smith- 2x Pro Bowler, 421 recs, 5496 yds, 60 tds
2. Chris Cooley- 1x All-pro, 2x Pro Bowler, 428 recs, 4703 yds, 33 tds
3. Stephen Alexander- 247 recs, 2519 yds, 14 tds
3. Donnie Warren- 244 recs, 2536 yds, 7 tds
4. Clint Didier- 141 recs, 1923 yds, 21 tds (that's like 2 of Cooley or Smiths seasons)
5. Fred Davis- 131 recs, 1648 yds, 12 tds
5. Doc Walker- 70 recs, 673 yds, 9tds (that's like a season for Cooley or Smith)
6. Terry Orr- 52, 939 yds, 10 tds
   
I don't know why fans all of a sudden downplay Cooley's contribution to this franchise but it's obvious he's the 2nd best TE to ever play for this franchise and the leading TE in receptions...
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| turtle28 wrote: | | TKellion wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Thats a big if. And Im still not sure that statement is true. |
Im not sure if its true either,i believe Davis will have a better career than Cooley. |
Davis has a long, long way till he becomes the best TE in redskins history, which is what Cooley currently is.
I think Davis is the more physically gifted player.
I think If healthy (and from reports Cooley is) Cooley is the better all around TE and all around football player. |
Calling Cooley the best TE in Redskins history is a big slap in the face to Clint Diddier,Terry Orr and even Doc Walker lol. Fail |
Check the numbers, and then check the players he had to play with and the multiple regimes he's had to play under. Cooley is the best or Jerry Smith, then you can start talking those other guys.
1. Jerry Smith- 2x Pro Bowler, 421 recs, 5496 yds, 60 tds
2. Chris Cooley- 1x All-pro, 2x Pro Bowler, 428 recs, 4703 yds, 33 tds
3. Stephen Alexander- 247 recs, 2519 yds, 14 tds
3. Donnie Warren- 244 recs, 2536 yds, 7 tds
4. Clint Didier- 141 recs, 1923 yds, 21 tds (that's like 2 of Cooley or Smiths seasons)
5. Fred Davis- 131 recs, 1648 yds, 12 tds
5. Doc Walker- 70 recs, 673 yds, 9tds (that's like a season for Cooley or Smith)
6. Terry Orr- 52, 939 yds, 10 tds
I don't know why fans all of a sudden downplay Cooley's contribution to this franchise but it's obvious he's the 2nd best TE to ever play for this franchise and the leading TE in receptions... |
Didier and Orr both played with Monk,Clark and Saunders and were targeted much less than Cooley who only really had to share the ball with Moss.Either of them would have put up better #s than Cooley in his place.Plus both were better blockers.
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| TKellion wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | TKellion wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Thats a big if. And Im still not sure that statement is true. |
Im not sure if its true either,i believe Davis will have a better career than Cooley. |
Davis has a long, long way till he becomes the best TE in redskins history, which is what Cooley currently is.
I think Davis is the more physically gifted player.
I think If healthy (and from reports Cooley is) Cooley is the better all around TE and all around football player. |
Calling Cooley the best TE in Redskins history is a big slap in the face to Clint Diddier,Terry Orr and even Doc Walker lol. Fail |
Check the numbers, and then check the players he had to play with and the multiple regimes he's had to play under. Cooley is the best or Jerry Smith, then you can start talking those other guys.
1. Jerry Smith- 2x Pro Bowler, 421 recs, 5496 yds, 60 tds
2. Chris Cooley- 1x All-pro, 2x Pro Bowler, 428 recs, 4703 yds, 33 tds
3. Stephen Alexander- 247 recs, 2519 yds, 14 tds
3. Donnie Warren- 244 recs, 2536 yds, 7 tds
4. Clint Didier- 141 recs, 1923 yds, 21 tds (that's like 2 of Cooley or Smiths seasons)
5. Fred Davis- 131 recs, 1648 yds, 12 tds
5. Doc Walker- 70 recs, 673 yds, 9tds (that's like a season for Cooley or Smith)
6. Terry Orr- 52, 939 yds, 10 tds
I don't know why fans all of a sudden downplay Cooley's contribution to this franchise but it's obvious he's the 2nd best TE to ever play for this franchise and the leading TE in receptions... |
Didier and Orr both played with Monk,Clark and Saunders and were targeted much less than Cooley who only really had to share the ball with Moss.Either of them would have put up better #s than Cooley in his place.Plus both were better blockers. |
The teams and qbs were better back then, the OL was better. Cooley and Moss were the only part of our passing game that defenses had to focus on since 05 and they still put up similar numbers and in Cooley's case better numbers. Two of the guys you mentions who you think are better have career #s that are like a season of Cooley's.
I'm sorry but it's not even close. Jerry Smith is currently the best TE in redskins history, then Cooley is a close 2nd, then Donnie Warren and Stephen Alexander then we can start mentioning your guys. Production doesn't lie.
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| TKellion wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | TKellion wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Slateman wrote: | If the guy is healthy, he's the best tight end on the team. Yes, that's over Fred Davis.
I think maybe they should wait to determine is health status. I'd rather cut Moss than Cooley. |
Thats a big if. And Im still not sure that statement is true. |
Im not sure if its true either,i believe Davis will have a better career than Cooley. |
Davis has a long, long way till he becomes the best TE in redskins history, which is what Cooley currently is.
I think Davis is the more physically gifted player.
I think If healthy (and from reports Cooley is) Cooley is the better all around TE and all around football player. |
Calling Cooley the best TE in Redskins history is a big slap in the face to Clint Diddier,Terry Orr and even Doc Walker lol. Fail |
Check the numbers, and then check the players he had to play with and the multiple regimes he's had to play under. Cooley is the best or Jerry Smith, then you can start talking those other guys.
1. Jerry Smith- 2x Pro Bowler, 421 recs, 5496 yds, 60 tds
2. Chris Cooley- 1x All-pro, 2x Pro Bowler, 428 recs, 4703 yds, 33 tds
3. Stephen Alexander- 247 recs, 2519 yds, 14 tds
3. Donnie Warren- 244 recs, 2536 yds, 7 tds
4. Clint Didier- 141 recs, 1923 yds, 21 tds (that's like 2 of Cooley or Smiths seasons)
5. Fred Davis- 131 recs, 1648 yds, 12 tds
5. Doc Walker- 70 recs, 673 yds, 9tds (that's like a season for Cooley or Smith)
6. Terry Orr- 52, 939 yds, 10 tds
I don't know why fans all of a sudden downplay Cooley's contribution to this franchise but it's obvious he's the 2nd best TE to ever play for this franchise and the leading TE in receptions... |
Didier and Orr both played with Monk,Clark and Saunders and were targeted much less than Cooley who only really had to share the ball with Moss.Either of them would have put up better #s than Cooley in his place.Plus both were better blockers. |
Yes, Didier and Orr were better blockers ... that's because that was their job. They were the fifth or sixth option (behind Monk, Clark, Sanders, and the running back).
Cooley, on the other hand, has been the #1 or #2 receiving option since he's been here.
I get that his age and injury history mean that he very easily could be cut. That said, let's not minimize what he's done here. He's been significantly more valuable that almost every tight end in franchise history (wasn't alive for Jerry Smith's time, but I could see the argument for Smith over Cooley). |
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