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jrry32


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StLunatic88 wrote:
You need the Tailgating space, and you need it close enough to the stadium. Right now it is completely spread out, it is sprinkled for blocks away from the dome and there is no party atmosphere to it. Have you ever been to Arrowhead? To the Complex set up in Philly? Those create a party atmosphere that attract fans who dont even go to the games. The Parking Lot revenue can be just as big as the ticket revenue to an owner if he owns the lot.


That's a bit of a stretch but you are right about the atmosphere to it and people showing up who aren't even going to games.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
StLunatic88 wrote:
You need the Tailgating space, and you need it close enough to the stadium. Right now it is completely spread out, it is sprinkled for blocks away from the dome and there is no party atmosphere to it. Have you ever been to Arrowhead? To the Complex set up in Philly? Those create a party atmosphere that attract fans who dont even go to the games. The Parking Lot revenue can be just as big as the ticket revenue to an owner if he owns the lot.


That's a bit of a stretch but you are right about the atmosphere to it and people showing up who aren't even going to games.
Im not saying the total revenue of the Lot equals the revenue for the Ticket Sales, but in comparison the the matanace of the two areas, the Lot yeilds a highrer percentage of profit. If he owns them both then ofcourse it really doesnt matter, but it would be a huge thing for him if he were to be putting up a bunch of his own money for a new Stadium. Its alot like what the Cardinals did with the New stadium, they were given the rightst to the parking garages and made a ton of their money back to pay it off so much faster than if they hadnt.

Just having that atmosphere around the stadium will draw more ticet sales. People will say"Ill just go for the tailgate" then they start getting tickets to a few games from scalpers while they are down there, and assuming we dont keep on this terrible streatch we have been in, they will want to buy season tickets again.

The Chiefs have been Average forever, but its such a great time that they sell out the stadium, and with a very similar town here in St Louis that atmosphere and Buzz around the Rams can be created in no time at all.

Again, its more than just making a place look nice with good ammenities, its the entire package, and Downtown St Louis cant give you that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StLunatic88 wrote:
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They will renovate the dome before they build a new one. I don't know of any space in downtown they can build a stadium right now unless they bought some buildings and bulldozed them down which is highly unlikely.
A new stadium is the end goal for Kroenke, that is the major reason his original proposal has been concidered outlandish by some. He knows that they cant really make the Dome how he wants it, so right now its all about finding a number of how much the team is worth to the city so he can buy his way out.

Stan understands the "culture" of professional football, that haveing a stadium forced into a down town area like it is right now just isnt good for business. Downtown works for baseball and hockey and even basketball, because after those fans want to go out on the town, or come early and have dinner before hand. Football is a completely different beast, Every sunday is an event unlike any other sport.

You need the Tailgating space, and you need it close enough to the stadium. Right now it is completely spread out, it is sprinkled for blocks away from the dome and there is no party atmosphere to it. Have you ever been to Arrowhead? To the Complex set up in Philly? Those create a party atmosphere that attract fans who dont even go to the games. The Parking Lot revenue can be just as big as the ticket revenue to an owner if he owns the lot.

If he mosves a new facility out to the County, say the Chrysler Plant or anywhere out there, he can get the exact facility he wants, that can hold a Superbowl, Final Fours, Mega Concerts, etc... And a man with his Busniess prowess has investors and other business' set up to build their business around the outskirts of the new facility.

This thing is much bigger than just "sprucing up" the Dome, if they would have been doing that every year for the last 2 decadesthen they would have been alright but they ignored it for 15 years then tryed to slap some new flashy things in there and pretend they have improved it. The Rams are staying in St. Louis, but not Downtown long term. A whole new facility needs to be built with an entire area developed around it, and in my opinion thats exactly what Stan is planning to do.


That's something I never really thought about, but it makes sense as well with Kroenke trying to build a new stadium. The tailgating atmosphere is pretty dull even though I know people who do tailgate, but like you said it's so spread out, there really isn't an exciting atmosphere. I don't know what it's like in KC, but if the Rams can duplicate that to an extent, that would help with getting fans back interested in this team after these last 6 or years where the interest level has dipped due to how bad this team has been.

I know the mayor of Fenton said they have space for the Rams, but I don't know how that would work.

All of this will be interesting to see how it plays out, but this team will stay in STL whether it will be in a new stadium or the Dome renovated, I don't see this team moving to LA.
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