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| Arizona Cardinals |
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18% |
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| Cleveland Browns |
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25% |
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| Indianapolis Colts |
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0% |
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| Jacksonville Jaguars |
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8% |
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| Miami Dolphins |
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| Oakland Raiders |
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15% |
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| St. Louis Rams |
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8% |
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| Tampa Bay Buccaneers |
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8% |
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| Washington Redskins |
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12% |
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goldfishwars
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 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:33 pm Post subject: FF Consensus Poll Power Ranking - #23 |
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Now the draft season has eclipsed, it's time to rank all 32 teams in the form of consensus polling. Vote for the team, you think deserves to be called the number 22 team heading into the 2012 season. The criteria is really open ended depending how you rank it's importance (success last year, current strength of roster, ease of schedule 2012, strength of division etc). Would appreciate no homerism or trolling please.
Power Rankings So Far:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. New England Patriots
3. New York Giants
4. San Francisco 49ers
5. Houston Texans
6. Baltimore Ravens
7. Pittsburgh Steelers
8. Detroit Lions
9. New Orleans Saints
10. Chicago Bears
11. Philadelphia Eagles
12. Atanta Falcons
13. Dallas Cowboys
14. Denver Broncos
15. Cincinnati Bengals
16. Seattle Seahawks
17. Kansas City Chiefs
18. San Diego Chargers
19. New York Jets
20. Carolina Panthers
21. Tennessee Titans
22. Buffalo Bills
23.
Here's a breakdown of each remaining team that might help you choose, appreciate that teams star players can be debated.
Arizona Cardinals
Last Season W/L: 8-8
Defense Ranked (PPG): 17th
Defense Ranked (YPG): 17th
Offense Ranked (PPG): 24th
Offense Ranked (YPG): 19th
Star Offensive Players: Fitzgerald/Wells/Floyd/Williams
Star Defensive Players: Campbell/Dockett/Peterson/Wilson
Top Draft Pick: Michael Floyd (13th)
Cleveland Browns
Last Season W/L: 4-12
Defense Ranked (PPG): 5th
Defense Ranked (YPG): 2nd
Offense Ranked (PPG): 30th
Offense Ranked (YPG): 29th
Star Offensive Players: Thomas/Mack/Little/Richardson
Star Defensive Players: Haden/Jackson/Sheard/Ward
Top Draft Pick: Trent Richardson (3rd)
Indianapolis Colts
Last Season W/L: 2-14
Defense Ranked (PPG): 28th
Defense Ranked (YPG): 15th
Offense Ranked (PPG): 28th
Offense Ranked (YPG): 30th
Star Offensive Players: Wayne/Luck/Fleener/Collie
Star Defensive Players: Freeney/Mathis/Bethea/Redding
Top Draft Pick: Andrew Luck (1st)
Jacksonville Jaguars
Last Season W/L: 5-11
Defense Ranked (PPG): 11th
Defense Ranked (YPG): 8th
Offense Ranked (PPG): 29th
Offense Ranked (YPG): 32nd
Star Offensive Players: MJD/Gabbert/Robinson/Blackmon
Star Defensive Players: Cox/Posluszny/Mincey/Landry
Top Draft Pick: Justin Blackmon (5th)
Miami Dolphins
Last Season W/L: 6-10
Defense Ranked (PPG): 6th
Defense Ranked (YPG): 25th
Offense Ranked (PPG): 20th
Offense Ranked (YPG): 22nd
Star Offensive Players: Long/Bush/Pouncey/Bess
Star Defensive Players: Wake/Dansby/Davis/Soliai
Top Draft Pick: Ryan Tannehill (8th)
Minnesota Vikings
Last Season W/L: 3-13
Defense Ranked (PPG): 31st
Defense Ranked (YPG): 26th
Offense Ranked (PPG): 19th
Offense Ranked (YPG): 18th
Star Offensive Players: Peterson/Harvin/Ponder/Kalil
Star Defensive Players: Allen/Williams/Greenway/Winfield
Top Draft Pick: Matt Kalil (4th)
Oakland Raiders
Last Season W/L: 8-8
Defense Ranked (PPG): 29th
Defense Ranked (YPG): 27th
Offense Ranked (PPG): 16th
Offense Ranked (YPG): 9th
Star Offensive Players: McFadden/Palmer/Ford/Heyward-Bey
Star Defensive Players: Seymour/Houston/McClain/Branch
Top Draft Pick: Tony Bergstrom (95th)
St. Louis Rams
Last Season W/L: 2-14
Defense Ranked (PPG): 26th
Defense Ranked (YPG): 7th
Offense Ranked (PPG): 32nd
Offense Ranked (YPG): 31st
Star Offensive Players: Bradford/Jackson/Dahl/Quick
Star Defensive Players: Long/Finnegan/Laurinaitis/Quinn
Top Draft Pick: Michael Brockers (14th)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Last Season W/L: 4-12
Defense Ranked (PPG): 32nd
Defense Ranked (YPG): 21st
Offense Ranked (PPG): 27th
Offense Ranked (YPG): 21st
Star Offensive Players: Feeman/Jackson/Nicks/Williams
Star Defensive Players: McCoy/Clayborn/Talib/Barber
Top Draft Pick: Mark Barron (7th)
Washington Redskins
Last Season W/L: 5-11
Defense Ranked (PPG): 21st
Defense Ranked (YPG): 12th
Offense Ranked (PPG): 26th
Offense Ranked (YPG): 16th
Star Offensive Players: Griffin III/Garcon/Moss/T Williams
Star Defensive Players: Fletcher/Kerrigan/Orakpo/Cofield
Top Draft Pick: Robert Griffin III (2nd)
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Narrowed it down to 4. Jags, Redskins, Bucs, or Browns.
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I think the Broncos and Bengals are on par with the teams listed 6-9... just saying.  I didn't participate in the other polls but those are two teams I think are going to have great seasons and possibly contend for the AFC Championship.
As for where we're at I go with the Cardinals because their improving defense is probably on par with or better than the rest of the field at this point and their offense I expect to improve. Plus I like Ken Wisenhunt as a head coach.
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Can I get outside opinions on the Raiders, and why apparently they'll suck?
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | Can I get outside opinions on the Raiders, and why apparently they'll suck? |
Just off the top of my head, some of the reasons people could have.
What are they getting from the QB position?
What is McFadden going to bring/Will he stay on the field?
Is their back 7 good enough to play well in a pass heavy league?
Who is going to catch the ball in Oakland?
How is the defense going to play in 2012?
Can the offense sustain it's point output?
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| khodder wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | Can I get outside opinions on the Raiders, and why apparently they'll suck? |
Just off the top of my head, some of the reasons people could have.
What are they getting from the QB position? Inconsistency.
What is McFadden going to bring/Will he stay on the field? Not with Michael Bush gone.
Is their back 7 good enough to play well in a pass heavy league? No.
Who is going to catch the ball in Oakland? Jacob Ford and Denarius Moore... not bad.
How is the defense going to play in 2012? Subpar
Can the offense sustain it's point output? Yeah but I still dont think theyll win more than 1 or 2 shootout type games. |
I see the Raiders being quite disappointing actually. |
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I just see Oakland as a big unknown. They have the talent to put something together - but they're very hard to analyse.
New regime, new coaching set-up, lots of dynamic players who have flashed ability - but not been able to put it down on a regular basis, either through flaky form or injury. The defense doesn't look particularly great on paper and that could be an area of weakness.
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| goldfishwars wrote: | I just see Oakland as a big unknown. They have the talent to put something together - but they're very hard to analyse.
New regime, new coaching set-up, lots of dynamic players who have flashed ability - but not been able to put it down on a regular basis, either through flaky form or injury. The defense doesn't look particularly great on paper and that could be an area of weakness. |
This is fair, and I can agree with it. The Defense is definitely the biggest concern, particularly the corner backs, I think Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer is an upgrade over what we had last year, however, like with a lot of guys that we have, the question is will they stay healthy?
Bresnahan being gone and having an actual defensive scheme will also do wonders for the defense, because unlike before, it won't be as vanilla and predictable.
The Defensive Line still is ONE of the best in football with Houston, Shaugnessy, Kelly, Seymour, Bryant and Tollefson. While we lost Wimbley, we picked up a much more complete LB in Philip Wheeler, he's better in coverage and although he was never asked to do so, can rush the passer pretty well. Aaron Curry was very solid for us last year, plays with a mean streak and still has potential. McClain apparently has slimmed down and is looking faster than the first 2 years. The multiple looks and the 3-4 looks should really help him as well. He has to step up, but he's got the mental part down. The depth at all spots improved as well.
The offensive line really has no holes. Veldheer and Wisnewski can are pro bowl type players, Brisiel comes over from Houston and Barnes is a pretty good run blocker, however he may get beat out by the second year guy Barksdale from lsu.
Everyone's got their opinion on Palmer but let be just say, he's rejuvenated mentally and physically, he's working harder than he ever has and really wants to be great, last year, despite the first game or two that he struggled he had some great games down the stretch, and with a full off season, a healthy McFadden he should have at least a top 12 type season IMO. The running game should be a strength if McFadden stays healthy with him, Goodson, Marcel Reece and Taiwan Jones.
Ans Idk who said the Raiders have no weapons, Heyward Bey, Ford and Denarius Moore is a pretty good, up and coming trio of receivers. Add in rookie Juron Criner who is having a sensational Off season, Marcel Reece, McFadden, and our TE's (Myers and Ausberry) and that seems like a good amount of weapons to me.
Then of course we also have the best Kicker, Punter and Long Snapper in the league, also helps 
I voted Cardinals btw.
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toss-up between the bucs and the cardinals for me.....i went AZ
Better defense, and a passing offense that can only go up. They are actually getting underrated a bit here
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | Then of course we also have the best Kicker, Punter and Long Snapper in the league, also helps |
Jon Dorenbos begs to differ.
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | Ans Idk who said the Raiders have no weapons, Heyward Bey, Ford and Denarius Moore is a pretty good, up and coming trio of receivers. Add in rookie Juron Criner who is having a sensational Off season, Marcel Reece, McFadden, and our TE's (Myers and Ausberry) and that seems like a good amount of weapons to me.
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The three of them combined for 116 catches, 1872 yards and 10 TD's in 2011. I know Ford missed time, but that trio is one of the weaker trio's in the NFL in terms of their output.
McFadden is a weapon if he can stay on the field and right now that is a pretty big if. Michael Bush is gone now too, if McFadden goes down are you happy with Taiwan Jones running the ball as the #1 back ,or are you going with Marcel Reece here?
Ausbery and Myers combined for 18 catches and 165 yards.
The Raiders offense lacks any kind of consistent weapon in the passing game, they are young with Moore, DHB and Ford as well as being really explosive, but I would be really worried about that unit if I was a Raider fan. It is a unit that could hold back the production of the offense if they do not play well.
Put it this way; the 2011 Raiders were 8-8 in 2011, they have lost their best edge rusher and replaced him with a player who was barely a starter on the 2011 Colts and he was the 3rd best performed member of that group. He is not someone who should be starting in the NFL, he is a ST'er who can give you some depth if you really need it.
He has 2 pass deflection's in 61 games including 1 in his past 17 starts. HE has 1 FF and 2 sacks in his career.
Wheeler is a MASSIVE downgrade from Wimbley. He is as good in coverage, far inferior against the run and not even close to the pass rushing ability as Wimbley.
The defensive line has no proven edge rush, Houston started 12 games for 1 sack, Shaunessey was lost early in the year and will help, but edge rush is really all he provides. Kelly and Seyomur are one of the best interior pass rush duos in the league, but they are also a large part of why the Raiders allowed 5.1 YPC vs the run last season. Tolefson is a 30 yaer old who has half of his career sacks in 2011 and beat up on a poor Cardinals interior line for at least two of those.
In 2011 the Raiders are going to battle big time against the pass, average defensive backfield with no edge rush, and that is going to be in conjunction with their struggles vs the run which while will likely not be as bad as 2011 I do not forsee them getting much better. A defense that is going to leak points and an offensive unit that relies too much on explosive plays is a bad combo, and right now that is what the Raiders have.
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One thing I want to correct you on there is that Shaugnessys strength is actually playing the run, so he offers a little more than just an edge rusher. And you forgot about Mike Goodson at RB.
Wheeler isn't nearly as bad as you make it seem. The whole defense was poor including the defensive line which will make any LB look bad. He was never asked to rush the passer in indys scheme either so you really can't make that claim, iirc it was a strength of his in college though. He plays his assignment well and is very athletic. He will be asked to do a lot more than he did in Indy. Definitely better in coverage, more tackles than Wimbley (I know), holds the edge well, pretty good instinct's. Not an all pro but not as bad as you make it seem. Don't count out rookie Miles Burris beating him out though.
Wimbley was extremely inconsistent as well. He'd look like a beast collecting 4 sacks against a back up tackle, then just completely disappear. He went 12 games without a sack last year. 3 with 1 sack and one with 4 sacks. Nothing special there, and I'm sure Shaugnessy and Tollefson can fill that void. I won't mention any rookies because they're obviously unproven.
Kelly and Seymour I agree look like pass rushing specialists, but that was pretty much their only assignment in Al's scheme. I'll wait and see if it was them or the scheme before passing judgment but that alone should improve the Run Defense.
It is what it is. A lot of it is really potential based so everyone will have their opinions.
Again, I voted Arizona. So be nice!!
Last year they were predicted to go 3-13 by most after losing Asomugha, Gallery and Miller. Wimbley and Routt are a little more replaceable IMO, so we'll see.
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