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njLawman5016


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think contact starting today will start to seperate what is going to happen..

I can think of worse problems to have then deciding between JJ and Randle... I still would not be surprised to see Hixon as the opening day 3rd WR.

Hixon on KO, JJ on Punts (4th Receiver), Randle with some packages.


Mario Who??
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bigger question:

Does Chase hold off Herz?

I know its only three days, but I hear alot about Herz and there is an upside there. We know what we get with Chase.....



To echo what others have said.... Eagles, boys, and skins all got better. I finally heard a sports caster report (NFL Network)that they think we got better at just about ever position and they dont understand what we are always picked last....
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYGiantsman10 wrote:
LikesHAM wrote:
NYGiantsman10 wrote:
I dont think anything ticks me off more than hearing "The Giants weren't the best team in the league last year" Then they point to the record of teams like the Packers and the 9ers. The whole point of the regular season is to set your team up for the postseason. The best team is the team that wins the Super Bowl. Period.


Yea I know it kind of annoys me too until I realize that those teams get the coveted title of being paper champions while we get to bask in the glorious light of the lombardi trophy.


Seriously. Keep celebrating regular season wins. The Giants will keep winning when it matters.


It's mind baffling to me how they can argue otherwise. I get into this debate all the time. Their stance is because it's single elimination and not a series of games that any team can win any Sunday and the best doesn't always win the SB.

Well all the regular season serves as is a whittling process placing the best teams into a seeding. All a 15-1 record does is guarantee you the best seeding, home field, and the best possible advantage in the playoffs. The postseason is basically hitting the reset button after those seedings are applied. Regular season record no longer applies. Every team is 0-0 and the team that plays the best over a span of 3 or 4 games emerges as the best. You can't tell me a team that goes 4-0 on the road against the best of the best is not THE BEST. Just baffles me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shockey1979 wrote:
NYGiantsman10 wrote:
LikesHAM wrote:
NYGiantsman10 wrote:
I dont think anything ticks me off more than hearing "The Giants weren't the best team in the league last year" Then they point to the record of teams like the Packers and the 9ers. The whole point of the regular season is to set your team up for the postseason. The best team is the team that wins the Super Bowl. Period.


Yea I know it kind of annoys me too until I realize that those teams get the coveted title of being paper champions while we get to bask in the glorious light of the lombardi trophy.


Seriously. Keep celebrating regular season wins. The Giants will keep winning when it matters.


It's mind baffling to me how they can argue otherwise. I get into this debate all the time. Their stance is because it's single elimination and not a series of games that any team can win any Sunday and the best doesn't always win the SB.

Well all the regular season serves as is a whittling process placing the best teams into a seeding. All a 15-1 record does is guarantee you the best seeding, home field, and the best possible advantage in the playoffs. The postseason is basically hitting the reset button after those seedings are applied. Regular season record no longer applies. Every team is 0-0 and the team that plays the best over a span of 3 or 4 games emerges as the best. You can't tell me a team that goes 4-0 on the road against the best of the best is not THE BEST. Just baffles me.


The best is wen people say the Giants would have lost to the Patriots 99 out of 100 times in BOTH years when it is based on literally nothing. The sad thing is that this is taken as gospel.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redsoxsuck05 wrote:

The best is wen people say the Giants would have lost to the Patriots 99 out of 100 times in BOTH years when it is based on literally nothing. The sad thing is that this is taken as gospel.


Yep and this was after the week 17 game where we took them to the brink, a SB in which we completely shut them down, then beat them 4 years later in the regular season, and again shut them down in the SB. Played them 4 times they have won 1 and yet they will beat us 99 out of a 100 times. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with us beating the Pats and not getting any respect for it.

But I would not want to take a chance of making it 5 out of 6 if we meet them again at 47 in New Orleans.

But I guess that would be a "miserable" problem to have.... lol
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shockey1979 wrote:
redsoxsuck05 wrote:

The best is wen people say the Giants would have lost to the Patriots 99 out of 100 times in BOTH years when it is based on literally nothing. The sad thing is that this is taken as gospel.


Yep and this was after the week 17 game where we took them to the brink, a SB in which we completely shut them down, then beat them 4 years later in the regular season, and again shut them down in the SB. Played them 4 times they have won 1 and yet they will beat us 99 out of a 100 times. Laughing


Beat them in the preseason too Laughing

Besides the usual suspects (Philly, Dallas, etc.) the team I'm DYING to see the Giants beat is the Saints. Everyone always squawks about how the Giants got killed in the Superdome so Im counting down the days till the Saints have to come here and play on our turf. Im ready for some payback
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know Gilbride won't do this, but the Giants really should favor 4 WR sets instead of the prominent 3 WR sets that Gilbride relies on during passing downs. Considering the depth and WR and lack of receiving options at TE, I think this is how the offense would be most successful. It allows Cruz and JJ to play the slot, and lets Nicks and Hixon/Barden (Randle sooner rather than later) work the outside. It puts all of the WRs in their best positions to perform. With Bradshaw being arguably the best pass blocking RB in the league, so he could help from a protection standpoint. Just my thoughts on that.

As for some special teams, if Wilson doesn't have a prominent role in the offense during the season, he definitely should be the kick returner. A proven playmaker in that spot from college and it would really showcase his talent that everyone is talking about in camp. IMO, JJ should be returning punts this year. He looked shaky last preseason but got more comfortable when he got opportunities later in the year. I assume he was drafted partly because of his returning skills, so it's time to put htem to use.

I think Herzlich takes over at MLB sometime during the season. He has been getting great reviews in camp so far, and the Giants already know what they have in Blackburn. As long as his pass coverage improves, I think he is the best option in the middle.

Lastly, I have a really good feeling about each of our first three picks. I think each are going to be solid contributors sooner rather than later. I honestly think that Hosley might be the one who steps up the most out of the group. With T2 looking like a long shot to be back this year (feel for him), it leaves a void in the slot in the nickel package. Giants could play Rolle there, but everyone knows he prefers the safety position. If I remember correctly, Hosley was drawing rave reviews early on for having a lot of success in the slot. He just looks like that guy who can come in and make plays at CB. I also think Randle contributes more this year than Wilson, but that Wilson will be the better overall player down the road. That kind of explosiveness is gonna be fun to watch.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From watching the practice the other day, barden looks good. Not only him, but EVERY. Receiver. We are stacked. Jj, barden, Reuben and hixon would be top two on 90 percent of the teams in the league. Cruz looked amazing. They made our secondary look like boys.


Oh and the best player on the field was Wilson. I have never seen someone so fast. Idk what his 0-10 split is but on the field, no one can catch him let alone touch him. He's going to put up 1200 all purpose yards this season. Book it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Save judgement for when they have pads on and...actually hit each other. That will separate the men from the boys.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also wary of our O-Line. Eli can't keep getting the snot beat out of him and getting up. One of these times he's going to fall the wrong way or get blindsided and then...we're hosed. Not making another run at a ring without Eli.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some good news:
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WR Hakeem Nicks told me he'll start running routes on the side either Saturday or Monday. (The players are off on Sunday.) Nicks said it'll likely be Monday because the training staff is trying to be cautious in handling his broken foot, though he was hoping to nudge them to "take this leash they have on me off" on Saturday.
Nicks estimates he'll need another week-plus once he begins running routes to be ready for practice. So that puts him, as the Giants had been saying from the jump, in the range of a mid-month return.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/08/giants_will_hill_burning_pent-.html
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't know where else to post this video, but it is essentially a 10 minute cut-up of David Wilson blocking and receiving during his last season at V-Tech. Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2GWTGifHZU

Anyways, from what I saw, he definitely has his work cut-out for him if he wants to be a factor on passing downs. He did very poorly from a blocking standpoint. He too often engaged with the wrong blitzer, was unaware of others getting pressure on the QB, and really didn't put that much strength into the blocks he made. From a receiving standpoint, his hands aren't bad, but not very good either. He had his fair share of drops and didn't really get many passes thrown his way.

The coaches have their hands full with this guy if they want him to get significant playing time in the backfield. I know they have been constantly reinforcing the idea of Wilson learning his passing protections before he gets in there, but I hope they get the job done relatively fast.

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that regardless of what the coaches say about RBs needing to block well before they see the field, Wilson will be out on the field for a good portion of the snaps from week one. You don't necessarily need your running back picking up the blitz, even if it's a passing play. The idea of running backs running routes shouldn't be novel to the Giants. Wilson is too talented to be sitting on the sideline, and despite the stigma, Coughlin does like to get his early round rookies involved. JPP, Nicks, KP and Ross all saw plenty of playing time as rookies, and all had decent rookies seasons.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gmen wrote:
I think that regardless of what the coaches say about RBs needing to block well before they see the field, Wilson will be out on the field for a good portion of the snaps from week one. You don't necessarily need your running back picking up the blitz, even if it's a passing play. The idea of running backs running routes shouldn't be novel to the Giants. Wilson is too talented to be sitting on the sideline, and despite the stigma, Coughlin does like to get his early round rookies involved. JPP, Nicks, KP and Ross all saw plenty of playing time as rookies, and all had decent rookies seasons.


I definitely agree in that Wilson will see the field plenty as a rookie, I just hope he can step his game up in pass protection so that he is out there for more plays. I just don't want him missing a block and then Eli getting leveled by a defender who he thought was accounted for. I think Wilson is gonna be used as a KR at the beginning of the season and then be slowly more involved into the offense as the season progresses.
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