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http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/5/22/3036127/kansas-city-chiefs-matt-cassel
| Quote: | Parkins: You say I'm your harshest critic, which I don't think is necessarily true. But I'll tell you to you what I said on the air. It's that I think it's a quarterback league and it's very tough to win a Super Bowl with a game manager, non-elite quarterback. They can do it one time but it's tough to get there year after year. My thing with the Chiefs has been, and it's partly not even your fault, they haven't brought in other guys and they've treated you as this elite, franchise quarterback when, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, time will tell, do you think that criticism would be fair or not?
Cassel: Well, define game manager.
Parkins: A guy who's not going to go out there and win a game because of you.
Cassel: Right. I guess one of my questions would be...were you talking about my entire career here? Or my entire career in general?
Parkins: Kansas City.
Cassel: It's interesting to me because I think that's a big part of what a quarterback has to do is manage the game. But also you have to use the weapons that you have out there and use them well. And sometimes, if we're talking about Jamaal Charles and what's going on with him, we might hand him off the ball 25 times a game and ask me to throw the ball a little less because that's what we have to do is create mismatches and go after mismatches. [Cassel's phone is ringing on air. He apologizes and moves on.] But at the same time do I think I can go out there and win ball games? Absolutely. Do I want the ball in my hands in the fourth quarter with two minutes left? Absolutely. Have I done it before? Absolutely. The two years that I've started full seasons I've won 10-plus games, which is hard to do. I've proven, whether it's with the Patriots or also here in 2010 specifically that we can win ball games and we can win a lot of ball games and when it comes down to crunch time I've been able to perform. |
That's some tough sauce being throw at Matty there. I like that Matt didn't back down or try and change the subject, although his memory is a little foggy when he says his two full seasons as a starter, eluding to 2008 and 2010. Well, both of those seasons he only started 15 games, just like he did in the 4-12 season of 2009. Also, lets not pretend that we would have won 10 games last season had he been the full time starter. I guess he's giving himself a pass for 2009, and to a certain extent 2011.
I wanted to also add in here a little tidbit I picked up about Cassel working with Tom House, famed pitching coach who started working with QB's back in 2003, when he helped Drew Brees, who has given him a ton of credit for getting his career turned around. From the sound of it he specializes in correcting mistakes in motion, and developing a strengthening plan for arm strength. - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/12/SP6I1OH73I.DTL
| Quote: | House used three-dimensional video analysis, breaking down [Alex]Smith's form at a thousand frames per second, to examine the position of his head, hips, shoulders and arms when he threw. The video sessions were held inside USC's batting cage.
Smith said he emerged with a "healthier throwing motion," but his work wasn't limited to his right arm.
"(I was) working on my drops, being more efficient with my movement," Smith said. "Any time you can do that and continue to be more efficient in your movement, you're going to be a better player."
House devised a strength and throwing plan that complements the work Smith is doing with the 49ers. House gave Smith exercises, many resistance-based, designed to increase the strength and range of motion in his right shoulder. Since Smith's visit, House has consulted with 49ers strength and conditioning coach Mark Uyeyama. |
I guess if it can help Brees, and Alex Smith apparently looks much better, then Maybe it can actually do something for Matt. Or maybe it was just to correct something that developed after his hand injury?
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Cassel deals with some tough questions in interview |
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| bigschmadt00 wrote: | http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/5/22/3036127/kansas-city-chiefs-matt-cassel
| Quote: | Parkins: You say I'm your harshest critic, which I don't think is necessarily true. But I'll tell you to you what I said on the air. It's that I think it's a quarterback league and it's very tough to win a Super Bowl with a game manager, non-elite quarterback. They can do it one time but it's tough to get there year after year. My thing with the Chiefs has been, and it's partly not even your fault, they haven't brought in other guys and they've treated you as this elite, franchise quarterback when, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, time will tell, do you think that criticism would be fair or not?
Cassel: Well, define game manager.
Parkins: A guy who's not going to go out there and win a game because of you.
Cassel: Right. I guess one of my questions would be...were you talking about my entire career here? Or my entire career in general?
Parkins: Kansas City.
Cassel: It's interesting to me because I think that's a big part of what a quarterback has to do is manage the game. But also you have to use the weapons that you have out there and use them well. And sometimes, if we're talking about Jamaal Charles and what's going on with him, we might hand him off the ball 25 times a game and ask me to throw the ball a little less because that's what we have to do is create mismatches and go after mismatches. [Cassel's phone is ringing on air. He apologizes and moves on.] But at the same time do I think I can go out there and win ball games? Absolutely. Do I want the ball in my hands in the fourth quarter with two minutes left? Absolutely. Have I done it before? Absolutely. The two years that I've started full seasons I've won 10-plus games, which is hard to do. I've proven, whether it's with the Patriots or also here in 2010 specifically that we can win ball games and we can win a lot of ball games and when it comes down to crunch time I've been able to perform. |
That's some tough sauce being throw at Matty there. I like that Matt didn't back down or try and change the subject, although his memory is a little foggy when he says his two full seasons as a starter, eluding to 2008 and 2010. Well, both of those seasons he only started 15 games, just like he did in the 4-12 season of 2009. Also, lets not pretend that we would have won 10 games last season had he been the full time starter. I guess he's giving himself a pass for 2009, and to a certain extent 2011.
I wanted to also add in here a little tidbit I picked up about Cassel working with Tom House, famed pitching coach who started working with QB's back in 2003, when he helped Drew Brees, who has given him a ton of credit for getting his career turned around. From the sound of it he specializes in correcting mistakes in motion, and developing a strengthening plan for arm strength. - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/12/SP6I1OH73I.DTL
| Quote: | House used three-dimensional video analysis, breaking down [Alex]Smith's form at a thousand frames per second, to examine the position of his head, hips, shoulders and arms when he threw. The video sessions were held inside USC's batting cage.
Smith said he emerged with a "healthier throwing motion," but his work wasn't limited to his right arm.
"(I was) working on my drops, being more efficient with my movement," Smith said. "Any time you can do that and continue to be more efficient in your movement, you're going to be a better player."
House devised a strength and throwing plan that complements the work Smith is doing with the 49ers. House gave Smith exercises, many resistance-based, designed to increase the strength and range of motion in his right shoulder. Since Smith's visit, House has consulted with 49ers strength and conditioning coach Mark Uyeyama. |
I guess if it can help Brees, and Alex Smith apparently looks much better, then Maybe it can actually do something for Matt. Or maybe it was just to correct something that developed after his hand injury? |
To be fair to Cassel, he didn't play the first game of the 2009 season -- he went 4-11, albeit minutia.
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This interview has been getting quite a bit of airtime today in local radio. I'm not sure if the written word translates this and I've already heard it in audio so hard for me to judge now.. but he was pretty defensive in tone during this Q&A.
As for his training with the guru.. even if it only helps him mentally to believe more in his throws - it will be deemed a success IMO. Nothing about Cassel infuriates me more than seeing him NOT pull the trigger.
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| Arrowhead86 wrote: | This interview has been getting quite a bit of airtime today in local radio. I'm not sure if the written word translates this and I've already heard it in audio so hard for me to judge now.. but he was pretty defensive in tone during this Q&A.
As for his training with the guru.. even if it only helps him mentally to believe more in his throws - it will be deemed a success IMO. Nothing about Cassel infuriates me more than seeing him NOT pull the trigger. |
Some background on the interview (as I was listening): Cassel was supposed to be on much earlier and do an in-depth conversation. He was running late, OTAs I'm pretty sure, and the host Danny Parkins was under the assumption that the interview was a wash and they were going to do it some other time. The reason for that was because the radio was doing a remote at a charity golf-event wherein Matt Cassel and a few other Chiefs were supposed to play in. The OTAs ran long and the groups teed off, basically signaling that Seven was going to be a no-show.
So when all of a sudden, guess who shows up and wants to do the interview like he said he would (being a pretty nice guy about it, actually). So even though his practice ran long, he couldn't tee off on time, he still did the interview. Parkins knew his time was short so wanted to make an impactful, get-to-know-you kinda thing. I belive that Cassel was kinda joking when he said "you're my biggest critic" and Parkins misunderstood him, took the gloves off and went right into it.
It was a pretty good interview, though.
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It is funny how Cassel says that the years he started the full seasons he wins 10 plus games. He started 15 games every year from 2008-2010 but he only counts 2008 and 2010 as "full seasons" when he started 15 games in 2009 going 4-11. Thats one of my problems with matt. He is a nice guy but he seems to be as unaware off the field as he is on the field. He completely ignored the facts that don't support him while citing the facts that do support him. That is beyond hypocritical and this fan base is informed enough to catch his revisionist history.
When they were talking about game managers and all of that stuff, matt said the reason he was considered a game manager was because we give the ball to Charles so much that he doesn't get that many chances to throw the ball. Then proceeded to say that he has proven that he can win the team games when it is crunch time and in the 4th quarter. That irritated me so much. I wish parkins would have asked him to list the games where he either:
A. Won games in crunch time or
B. Led us to a comeback win.
I honestly can't remember either of those two things happening.
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| kylecumberland wrote: | It is funny how Cassel says that the years he started the full seasons he wins 10 plus games. He started 15 games every year from 2008-2010 but he only counts 2008 and 2010 as "full seasons" when he started 15 games in 2009 going 4-11. Thats one of my problems with matt. He is a nice guy but he seems to be as unaware off the field as he is on the field. He completely ignored the facts that don't support him while citing the facts that do support him. That is beyond hypocritical and this fan base is informed enough to catch his revisionist history.
When they were talking about game managers and all of that stuff, matt said the reason he was considered a game manager was because we give the ball to Charles so much that he doesn't get that many chances to throw the ball. Then proceeded to say that he has proven that he can win the team games when it is crunch time and in the 4th quarter. That irritated me so much. I wish parkins would have asked him to list the games where he either:
A. Won games in crunch time or
B. Led us to a comeback win.
I honestly can't remember either of those to things happening. |
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=CassMa00
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| brawl.kc wrote: | | kylecumberland wrote: | It is funny how Cassel says that the years he started the full seasons he wins 10 plus games. He started 15 games every year from 2008-2010 but he only counts 2008 and 2010 as "full seasons" when he started 15 games in 2009 going 4-11. Thats one of my problems with matt. He is a nice guy but he seems to be as unaware off the field as he is on the field. He completely ignored the facts that don't support him while citing the facts that do support him. That is beyond hypocritical and this fan base is informed enough to catch his revisionist history.
When they were talking about game managers and all of that stuff, matt said the reason he was considered a game manager was because we give the ball to Charles so much that he doesn't get that many chances to throw the ball. Then proceeded to say that he has proven that he can win the team games when it is crunch time and in the 4th quarter. That irritated me so much. I wish parkins would have asked him to list the games where he either:
A. Won games in crunch time or
B. Led us to a comeback win.
I honestly can't remember either of those to things happening. |
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=CassMa00 |
Good link, that is exactly was I was looking for!
A few points on this.
1. I would guess that is terrible compared to the other 31 NFL Quarterbacks. That is basically saying Cassel won us 2 games per year. (which I will dispute as well)
2. Most of those I wouldn't even consider giving Cassel credit for "winning" us the game. The only one I would consider a true comeback win is the indy game (against the worst team in the nfl) in 2011 because we were down big. From what I remember the other games were all back and forth games that were close the whole way through, but in most if not all of those we were never behind by more than 1 possession. And in all of those games I cannot remember many touchdown winning drives. seems like all of them were field goals, and most of them were in low scoring games. 14-6 over washington, 16-14 over the browns, 13-10 over the bills. Anything he did in New England is irrelevant to me because it didn't happen here. I will give him a LITTLE bit of credit for the Steelers win in 2009, but not too much there either. We had a special teams TD from Charles in that game, and we won the game off of DJ injuring Big Ben, which led to the defense stopping batch in OT and then Cassel and Chambers hooking up on a lucky/fortunate shallow crossing route that chambers turned into 60 yard run after catch which led to a game winning field goal. Just tough for me to cite any of those as Cassel winning the game for us other than the indy game. |
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^But there are also a few other notable moments where Cassel did his job late, getting his team the lead, only for the defense to blow it. I'm going exclusively off of memory here, but wasn't this the case in the OT game against Oakland last year? I know this was also the case against the Jets when he was with the Pats.
To me, the point isn't as much that he did or did not have a big impact on us winning any of these games, it's the level of competition he was facing in these Game Winning Drives. The Steelers were the only team on that list that was any good, and even at that point in 2009 they were without Aaron Smith and Polomalu, and not too good in reality that year.
I'd also be curious to see how many times he wasn't able to lead a comeback, or even led to the loss through an INT or sack. The SD screen to Eric Weddle sticks out as one of those he specifically cost us.
Also, Cassel is ranked 30th of all active QB's with 8 game winning drives to his credit. One ahead of Kyle Orton surprisingly, but behind luminaries like Jason Campbell, David Carr, and Rex Grossman.
And all you need to do is study this page of his situational stats from his "best" season in 2010 - http://www.nfl.com/player/mattcassel/2506562/situationalstats?season=2010
- Best completion percentage, and really the only acceptable one (needs to be at least ove 58% IMO), occurs in the first 10 throws, and in the 2nd QTR.
- 8 of his 10 INT's were thrown on our side of the field, compared to 2 in the opponents territory. It should be the opposite IMO.
- Only acceptable comp. % is when we are ahead or tied.
- In the 4th QTR within 7 pts, or in OT, he has a 43.1% comp. %, which is absolutely abysmal.
While there may be some cases where he's been clutch (usually we are talking about 1-2 plays though at the max), overall he's simply not very good close and late, or in any pressure situation in general.
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| bigschmadt00 wrote: | ^But there are also a few other notable moments where Cassel did his job late, getting his team the lead, only for the defense to blow it. I'm going exclusively off of memory here, but wasn't this the case in the OT game against Oakland last year? I know this was also the case against the Jets when he was with the Pats.
To me, the point isn't as much that he did or did not have a big impact on us winning any of these games, it's the level of competition he was facing in these Game Winning Drives. The Steelers were the only team on that list that was any good, and even at that point in 2009 they were without Aaron Smith and Polomalu, and not too good in reality that year.
I'd also be curious to see how many times he wasn't able to lead a comeback, or even led to the loss through an INT or sack. The SD screen to Eric Weddle sticks out as one of those he specifically cost us.
Also, Cassel is ranked 30th of all active QB's with 8 game winning drives to his credit. One ahead of Kyle Orton surprisingly, but behind luminaries like Jason Campbell, David Carr, and Rex Grossman.
And all you need to do is study this page of his situational stats from his "best" season in 2010 - http://www.nfl.com/player/mattcassel/2506562/situationalstats?season=2010
- Best completion percentage, and really the only acceptable one (needs to be at least ove 58% IMO), occurs in the first 10 throws, and in the 2nd QTR.
- 8 of his 10 INT's were thrown on our side of the field, compared to 2 in the opponents territory. It should be the opposite IMO.
- Only acceptable comp. % is when we are ahead or tied.
- In the 4th QTR within 7 pts, or in OT, he has a 43.1% comp. %, which is absolutely abysmal.
While there may be some cases where he's been clutch (usually we are talking about 1-2 plays though at the max), overall he's simply not very good close and late, or in any pressure situation in general. |
The 2 most telling stats that stuck out to me are his yards per attempt when down 9-16 points was 3.8 yards....that tells me all I need to know about him as a QB. If your defense has an off day or gets off to a rocky start, you can basically kiss that game good bye .
The other one was the one you mentioned- within 7 in the 4th quarter- 4.1 yards per attempt there. Anything under 7 is bad in my opinion for yards per attempt so those numbers of 3.8 and 4.1 in those pivotal situations are a huge indictment on Cassel and tell me everything I need to know about him, and that is that you cannot win a championship with him. I already thought that, but these numbers confirm it to be true. |
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I think the statement that Cassel has been treated like a franchise QB is a bit much, but only a bit.
This is the first year the team has shown any sort of "Win Now" mentality. In that vein, they brought in a first round QB, albeit one that failed his first two attempts. Prior years they just went with what was on hand, Croyle, or got a walk on, Palko. That and a 5th round pick constituted "talent aquisition" prior to this year. That is not treating Cassel as the franchise so much as being tight with the resources.
This year we have two players who are at least theoretically able to make a good run at him. That also is not treating him as a franchise QB.
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| bigschmadt00 wrote: | http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/5/22/3036127/kansas-city-chiefs-matt-cassel
Cassel: It's interesting to me because I think that's a big part of what a quarterback has to do is manage the game. But also you have to use the weapons that you have out there and use them well. And sometimes, if we're talking about Jamaal Charles and what's going on with him, we might hand him off the ball 25 times a game and ask me to throw the ball a little less because that's what we have to do is create mismatches and go after mismatches. [Cassel's phone is ringing on air. He apologizes and moves on.] But at the same time do I think I can go out there and win ball games? Absolutely. Do I want the ball in my hands in the fourth quarter with two minutes left? Absolutely. Have I done it before? Absolutely. The two years that I've started full seasons I've won 10-plus games, which is hard to do. I've proven, whether it's with the Patriots or also here in 2010 specifically that we can win ball games and we can win a lot of ball games and when it comes down to crunch time I've been able to perform. |
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The question was directly about his time in KC, he references the 2010 season winning 10 games after talking about wanting the ball with 2 minutes left in the 4th. The Chiefs won very few if any games in 2010 that went down to the wire with the offense making the winning score. If so, it wasn't a memorable performance/drive. There is also the SD game last year, that is one of the few times I can recall needing a game winning drive with Cassel...
Crunch Time...Perform...Cassel...that's a tough sell.
Take what the D gives you with play action and a dominating running game...that's Cassel.
Kyle, even the Indy game Bowe and Breaston played out of their minds, making a number of off target catches and great runs or we never win that game against the leagues worst team. |
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| ArrowheadRage58 wrote: | | bigschmadt00 wrote: | http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/5/22/3036127/kansas-city-chiefs-matt-cassel
Cassel: It's interesting to me because I think that's a big part of what a quarterback has to do is manage the game. But also you have to use the weapons that you have out there and use them well. And sometimes, if we're talking about Jamaal Charles and what's going on with him, we might hand him off the ball 25 times a game and ask me to throw the ball a little less because that's what we have to do is create mismatches and go after mismatches. [Cassel's phone is ringing on air. He apologizes and moves on.] But at the same time do I think I can go out there and win ball games? Absolutely. Do I want the ball in my hands in the fourth quarter with two minutes left? Absolutely. Have I done it before? Absolutely. The two years that I've started full seasons I've won 10-plus games, which is hard to do. I've proven, whether it's with the Patriots or also here in 2010 specifically that we can win ball games and we can win a lot of ball games and when it comes down to crunch time I've been able to perform. |
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The question was directly about his time in KC, he references the 2010 season winning 10 games after talking about wanting the ball with 2 minutes left in the 4th. The Chiefs won very few if any games in 2010 that went down to the wire with the offense making the winning score. If so, it wasn't a memorable performance/drive. There is also the SD game last year, that is one of the few times I can recall needing a game winning drive with Cassel...
Crunch Time...Perform...Cassel...that's a tough sell.
Take what the D gives you with play action and a dominating running game...that's Cassel.
Kyle, even the Indy game Bowe and Breaston played out of their minds, making a number of off target catches and great runs or we never win that game against the leagues worst team.[/quote]
Agreed. The only time Cassel can ever put together a game winning drive to win or tie the game is if we only need a FG. If we need a Touchdown you can forget about game winning drives with Cassel. Heck he has only lead us to game winning field goals a very small number of times. |
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| onejayhawk wrote: | I think the statement that Cassel has been treated like a franchise QB is a bit much, but only a bit.
This is the first year the team has shown any sort of "Win Now" mentality. In that vein, they brought in a first round QB, albeit one that failed his first two attempts. Prior years they just went with what was on hand, Croyle, or got a walk on, Palko. That and a 5th round pick constituted "talent aquisition" prior to this year. That is not treating Cassel as the franchise so much as being tight with the resources.
This year we have two players who are at least theoretically able to make a good run at him. That also is not treating him as a franchise QB.
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 He received a contract of 5 Years/$63mm without playing a snap for his new team when the FO had a year of full-control with the Franchise Tag.
His biggest competition for his position was Brodie Croyle. He's been a Chief since Feb/March 2009, it is now May of 2012 and the team has spent a total of one draft-pick to help the position.
At no time was he benched for poor performance, even though at times his play demanded that somebody else be put in.
I think he's been pretty much given the keys to the car and decided to let it sit in the garage for three years. He's been given everything by Pioli & Co. To think that we haven't treated him like "The guy" is ludicrous. He couldn't be treated better unless they renamed a the George Brett Bridge after him.
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| brawl.kc wrote: |
He received a contract of 5 Years/$63mm without playing a snap for his new team when the FO had a year of full-control with the Franchise Tag.
His biggest competition for his position was Brodie Croyle. He's been a Chief since Feb/March 2009, it is now May of 2012 and the team has spent a total of one draft-pick to help the position.
At no time was he benched for poor performance, even though at times his play demanded that somebody else be put in.
I think he's been pretty much given the keys to the car and decided to let it sit in the garage for three years. He's been given everything by Pioli & Co. To think that we haven't treated him like "The guy" is ludicrous. He couldn't be treated better unless they renamed a the George Brett Bridge after him. |
The only way you can say he was not treated like a franchise QB was from the perspective of us not really trying to win those first 3 years. That's the only thing you can say to try and defend not bringing in someone better to push him more. If the answer is you didn't want to force a change before you knew what you had, that's understandable, but that's still being treated like a franchise QB in my mind.
IMO, he for the first time, just this off-season is now not being pushed as the franchise guy, or the only decent option. The addition of Quinn, no matter how lukewarm you are on the guy, is more competition then he's had to date. Couple that with the statements of wanting to get Cassel competition, and the statements about other QB's like Manning and RG3, and IMO he's no longer being pushed out as "the guy."
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| bigschmadt00 wrote: | The only way you can say he was not treated like a franchise QB was from the perspective of us not really trying to win those first 3 years. That's the only thing you can say to try and defend not bringing in someone better to push him more. If the answer is you didn't want to force a change before you knew what you had, that's understandable, but that's still being treated like a franchise QB in my mind.
IMO, he for the first time, just this off-season is now not being pushed as the franchise guy, or the only decent option. The addition of Quinn, no matter how lukewarm you are on the guy, is more competition then he's had to date. Couple that with the statements of wanting to get Cassel competition, and the statements about other QB's like Manning and RG3, and IMO he's no longer being pushed out as "the guy." |
That is it in a nutshell. We were looking for a caretaker. A true franchise QB has a veteran backup and an young understudy. Stanzi fits the latter. Quinn is the vet back up, but I see him as a real challenge for the job.
J
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