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ShineOnStar
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Don't trade Jenkins. Having him is what makes the Claiborne pick so sweet. I see him and Mo as even talent wise and fi we trade mike for say, a fourth than we give up a 1st and 2nd and get basically nothing in return except for a little extra youth and a 4th. It just makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.
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Hiero
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it seems way too early to trade him. if we were we should have done it during the draft. if we can get an elite de I'd trade him but we need him this year, claiborne coming off injury and were likely to play the 3 and 4 of them together a lot, our safeties suck
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| Vannmann wrote: | Okay to the people who are under the assumption that we are going to get a 3rd round Comp Pick for Jenkins you are wrong... I will tell you why, Nhamdi was the only person that yielded his previous team a 3rd rounder and Nhmadi>>>Jenkins... so if the Colts offer a 2nd, 3rd and 6th, or 4th and 5th we take it in a heart beat... I would also consider taking a 3rd, 3rd and 7th, or 4th and 6th but those are 50/50...
MY NUMBER 1 DREAM SCENARIO-
1) Trade Scandrick for a 6th or 7th( I would be fine with giving a Scandrick and a 6th for there 7th)
2) Sign Jenkins to a 4yr 26-30mil Deal (maybe like 12-15mil guaranteed)
3) Next Years Draft
1. Safety(Unless Johnson shows he can handle it)
2. RB/Guard
3. Guard/RB/CB
4. CB/Center/Guard/RB
4b. WR or which of the 4 above yet not Taken |
Some serious Scandrick hate going on here...
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Tony7188
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| ShineOnStar wrote: | | Don't trade Jenkins. Having him is what makes the Claiborne pick so sweet. I see him and Mo as even talent wise and fi we trade mike for say, a fourth than we give up a 1st and 2nd and get basically nothing in return except for a little extra youth and a 4th. It just makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. |
Claiborne and Jenkins EVEN talent wise?
One was drafted #6 overall and had the highest rated CB grade by Dallas since Deon Sanders came out.
Jenkins is expendable, it would be nice to have four very good CB's, but like you said we have some question marks at safety and if he can bring us good value in a trade we have to do it. It makes PERFECT SENSE to trade him if we get offered a high draft pick (especially since he's recovering from shoulder surgery). Probably will have to wait until TC starts though.
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ShineOnStar
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony7188 wrote: | | ShineOnStar wrote: | | Don't trade Jenkins. Having him is what makes the Claiborne pick so sweet. I see him and Mo as even talent wise and fi we trade mike for say, a fourth than we give up a 1st and 2nd and get basically nothing in return except for a little extra youth and a 4th. It just makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. |
Claiborne and Jenkins EVEN talent wise?
One was drafted #6 overall and had the highest rated CB grade by Dallas since Deon Sanders came out.
Jenkins is expendable, it would be nice to have four very good CB's, but like you said we have some question marks at safety and if he can bring us good value in a trade we have to do it. It makes PERFECT SENSE to trade him if we get offered a high draft pick (especially since he's recovering from shoulder surgery). Probably will have to wait until TC starts though. |
Well I certainly expect him to be graded as better in a few games Mos never played a snap in the NFL so noone really knows.
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bakalakadaka
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Is it even remotely possible to trade Jenkins for Osi U?
I would think this would be good for both teams (which may be precisely why neither would do it). |
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Vannmann
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| DaBoys wrote: | | Vannmann wrote: | Okay to the people who are under the assumption that we are going to get a 3rd round Comp Pick for Jenkins you are wrong... I will tell you why, Nhamdi was the only person that yielded his previous team a 3rd rounder and Nhmadi>>>Jenkins... so if the Colts offer a 2nd, 3rd and 6th, or 4th and 5th we take it in a heart beat... I would also consider taking a 3rd, 3rd and 7th, or 4th and 6th but those are 50/50...
MY NUMBER 1 DREAM SCENARIO-
1) Trade Scandrick for a 6th or 7th( I would be fine with giving a Scandrick and a 6th for there 7th)
2) Sign Jenkins to a 4yr 26-30mil Deal (maybe like 12-15mil guaranteed)
3) Next Years Draft
1. Safety(Unless Johnson shows he can handle it)
2. RB/Guard
3. Guard/RB/CB
4. CB/Center/Guard/RB
4b. WR or which of the 4 above yet not Taken |
Some serious Scandrick hate going on here... |
Not Really He is a horrible corner!!! a Decent slot corner and you wont find a single person who thinks that his Contract is worth his reward... thats why i think we will need to give the other team incentive to take that 5 mil a year contract for a not so special slot corner
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TheStarStillShines
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| bakalakadaka wrote: | Is it even remotely possible to trade Jenkins for Osi U?
I would think this would be good for both teams (which may be precisely why neither would do it). |
I doubt the two teams would make that kind of trade. Also, the Giants will have Terrell Thomas returning from injury, and Amukamara will have a full off-season to prepare for his 2nd year.
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Tony7188
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ShineOnStar wrote: | | Tony7188 wrote: | | ShineOnStar wrote: | | Don't trade Jenkins. Having him is what makes the Claiborne pick so sweet. I see him and Mo as even talent wise and fi we trade mike for say, a fourth than we give up a 1st and 2nd and get basically nothing in return except for a little extra youth and a 4th. It just makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. |
Claiborne and Jenkins EVEN talent wise?
One was drafted #6 overall and had the highest rated CB grade by Dallas since Deon Sanders came out.
Jenkins is expendable, it would be nice to have four very good CB's, but like you said we have some question marks at safety and if he can bring us good value in a trade we have to do it. It makes PERFECT SENSE to trade him if we get offered a high draft pick (especially since he's recovering from shoulder surgery). Probably will have to wait until TC starts though. |
Well I certainly expect him to be graded as better in a few games Mos never played a snap in the NFL so noone really knows. |
But you said TALENT wise, so comparing them talent wise Claiborne and Jenkins in the '08 draft I don't think it's even close
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DaBoys
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Vannmann wrote: | | DaBoys wrote: | | Vannmann wrote: | Okay to the people who are under the assumption that we are going to get a 3rd round Comp Pick for Jenkins you are wrong... I will tell you why, Nhamdi was the only person that yielded his previous team a 3rd rounder and Nhmadi>>>Jenkins... so if the Colts offer a 2nd, 3rd and 6th, or 4th and 5th we take it in a heart beat... I would also consider taking a 3rd, 3rd and 7th, or 4th and 6th but those are 50/50...
MY NUMBER 1 DREAM SCENARIO-
1) Trade Scandrick for a 6th or 7th( I would be fine with giving a Scandrick and a 6th for there 7th)
2) Sign Jenkins to a 4yr 26-30mil Deal (maybe like 12-15mil guaranteed)
3) Next Years Draft
1. Safety(Unless Johnson shows he can handle it)
2. RB/Guard
3. Guard/RB/CB
4. CB/Center/Guard/RB
4b. WR or which of the 4 above yet not Taken |
Some serious Scandrick hate going on here... |
Not Really He is a horrible corner!!! a Decent slot corner and you wont find a single person who thinks that his Contract is worth his reward... thats why i think we will need to give the other team incentive to take that 5 mil a year contract for a not so special slot corner |
Well even if that was true, your decision to trade him and a 6th for a 7th is a little destructive. Why would you not just cut him? You have a penalty either way, and you wouldn't have to loose a draft pick for nothing. Doesn't make sense to me.
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Vannmann
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| DaBoys wrote: | | Vannmann wrote: | | DaBoys wrote: | | Vannmann wrote: | Okay to the people who are under the assumption that we are going to get a 3rd round Comp Pick for Jenkins you are wrong... I will tell you why, Nhamdi was the only person that yielded his previous team a 3rd rounder and Nhmadi>>>Jenkins... so if the Colts offer a 2nd, 3rd and 6th, or 4th and 5th we take it in a heart beat... I would also consider taking a 3rd, 3rd and 7th, or 4th and 6th but those are 50/50...
MY NUMBER 1 DREAM SCENARIO-
1) Trade Scandrick for a 6th or 7th( I would be fine with giving a Scandrick and a 6th for there 7th)
2) Sign Jenkins to a 4yr 26-30mil Deal (maybe like 12-15mil guaranteed)
3) Next Years Draft
1. Safety(Unless Johnson shows he can handle it)
2. RB/Guard
3. Guard/RB/CB
4. CB/Center/Guard/RB
4b. WR or which of the 4 above yet not Taken |
Some serious Scandrick hate going on here... |
Not Really He is a horrible corner!!! a Decent slot corner and you wont find a single person who thinks that his Contract is worth his reward... thats why i think we will need to give the other team incentive to take that 5 mil a year contract for a not so special slot corner |
Well even if that was true, your decision to trade him and a 6th for a 7th is a little destructive. Why would you not just cut him? You have a penalty either way, and you wouldn't have to loose a draft pick for nothing. Doesn't make sense to me. |
I might be wrong but l have always been under the assumption that by trading someone you dont have to pay the guaranteed money and if you cut them then you do...
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plan9misfit
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Vannmann wrote: | | I might be wrong but l have always been under the assumption that by trading someone you dont have to pay the guaranteed money and if you cut them then you do... |
You have to pay the player the guaranteed money under any circumstance. Hence, why it's called guaranteed money.
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canadaluvsdalla
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | Vannmann wrote: | | I might be wrong but l have always been under the assumption that by trading someone you dont have to pay the guaranteed money and if you cut them then you do... |
You have to pay the player the guaranteed money under any circumstance. Hence, why it's called guaranteed money. |
Guaranteed money from which party are we talking about here? If Mike Jenkins is traded to another team they have possession of his contract, doesn't that mean they are responsible for the payment?
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Da Boyz
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| canadaluvsdalla wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | Vannmann wrote: | | I might be wrong but l have always been under the assumption that by trading someone you dont have to pay the guaranteed money and if you cut them then you do... |
You have to pay the player the guaranteed money under any circumstance. Hence, why it's called guaranteed money. |
Guaranteed money from which party are we talking about here? If Mike Jenkins is traded to another team they have possession of his contract, doesn't that mean they are responsible for the payment? |
No they are only responsible for his salary. Any guaranteed money is paid by the team that originally signed the deal.
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Vannmann
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Da Boyz wrote: | | canadaluvsdalla wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | Vannmann wrote: | | I might be wrong but l have always been under the assumption that by trading someone you dont have to pay the guaranteed money and if you cut them then you do... |
You have to pay the player the guaranteed money under any circumstance. Hence, why it's called guaranteed money. |
Guaranteed money from which party are we talking about here? If Mike Jenkins is traded to another team they have possession of his contract, doesn't that mean they are responsible for the payment? |
No they are only responsible for his salary. Any guaranteed money is paid by the team that originally signed the deal. |
Wow i have been a hardcore football fan for my entire 19 year life and i never knew that... Well then if Scandrick doesnt have very much Guarenteed money then im willing to cut him to sign Jenkins to a long term deal... So all in all thanks for correcting me on my lack of contract knowledge
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