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khodder

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 1:41 am Post subject:

DirtyDez wrote:

You're forgetting about the concussions both here and Philly. He didn't have good reaction time anyway and multiple head shots will only slower his thought process and make him more gunshy.

I addressed the concussions in the first of my two posts.

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I dont think Kolb got his fair share here. He had a limited offseason, terrible O-line play, and the d didnt play as good when he had started (so I beleive) I think the only thing we know for sure about Kolb is that hes injury prone.But whoever trots out there opening week, I will know is the right choice cause Whiz picked him. And Whiz knows whats best for the team.

But the thing is he was never any good even before he got here. He spent a long time in the Philly system (Which is a system that is friendly to QB's (See AJ Feeley)) and he had a solid OL in Philly yet he still had zero pocket presence and constantly drifted backwards if there was even a hint of pressure.

Skelton has not had an off-season yet either and plays just as well behind the same OL. The kicker here is that he has far more upside.

Kolb is a waste of money.
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love2theOLINE

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:00 am Post subject:

Well it will be interesting. Kolb has the work ethic and leadership off the field, however no pocket presence and injuries on the field. While Skelton is still very unpolished and won because of the D more than himself. My money is on Kolb, we are just in a #####spot with this now.

I knew a lot of fans would turn on Kolb after we didn't get Manning, that's why I stayed out of it.
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khodder

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I knew a lot of fans would turn on Kolb after we didn't get Manning, that's why I stayed out of it.

Has nothing to do with it, nothing at all.

Also on Skelton and the defense;

While we did not win the game we were down 23-0 (Suppose it had a fair amount to do with John) at the start of the 4th quarter vs Cincinnati. John led two straight TD drives, drove us for a FG and then drove us again to be in position for a TD when Early slipped. Defense helped yeah, but they were not on the field for those TD's.

John threw the go ahead TD vs Philly, Seattle and SF. Did the D help yeah, but John was throwing TD's that Kolb was unable to.

Bottom line; We know Kolb is never going to be good enough, we need to give Skelton a shot to prove he could be.
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LuckyNumber11

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject:

People always tell me how good Levi played the 2nd half of the year. Skeleton got the majority if that. Skelton had been with the team longer, knew the system better. IDC who wins it. I just think that we cant say anything about Kolb until we fully see him.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I don't know how great he really is at this. Seem average to me in both areas. Most Fan did not want Kolb before the Manning talk even started.
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love2theOLINE

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject:

khodder wrote:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I knew a lot of fans would turn on Kolb after we didn't get Manning, that's why I stayed out of it.

Has nothing to do with it, nothing at all.

While part of me agrees with you, based on Kolb's play. The Manning flirtation does add to the appearance that Kolb is not "the guy", which he very much might not be but it puts the in more view of the fans.

I want Kolb to be successful for 2 reasons, one: they gave up a lot to get him and two: he seems like a good guy from the brief conversation we had up at TC last year. He looked darn good in Flag last year, had the leadership, pocket prescience, and zip you want but it did translate into the regular season. Maybe with the OTAs and minicamps will help or maybe he is just a back up that will become a QB coach.

Also remember I never wanted Kolb, I wanted McNabb, Hasselback, or Orton until Skelton was ready.
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love2theOLINE

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 3:45 pm Post subject:

Boise&cards Fan wrote:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I don't know how great he really is at this. Seem average to me in both areas. Most Fan did not want Kolb before the Manning talk even started.

Best example I saw was in TC doing a lap or push ups when he did something wrong or being called a gym rat/film rat. Leadership, not sure I guess on the field didn't get it done.

I don't have time to scroll back on our boards to see the preManning Kolb vibe but I never felt an antiKolb thing here in phx before that.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject:

love2theOLINE wrote:

1] I never wanted Kolb here, not even last offseason. I mentioned I would rather roll with Skelton than bring in Kolb.

http://www4.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=440872&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

2] If you think Kevin Kolb has porcket presence I would love to see what you think of a guy who actually does have some.

Guys with pocket presence don't continually drift backwards and end up 10 yards deep on a 5 step drop. Guys with good pocket presence don't take multiple sacks for a loss of 10 plus yards on plays that really should not have been sacks at all.

I can understand there might have been a change in perception aomg the average or casual fan around the Phoenix area afte Manning flirtation, but it has no impact on what I ma talking about.

I never though Kolb was anything last offseason, I still don't. We should have never traded for him in the first place, we are making another huge mistake if we stick with him.
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LuckyNumber11

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject:

But you can't have good pocket presence when your o-line sucks!
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject:

Boise&cards Fan wrote:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I don't know how great he really is at this. Seem average to me in both areas. Most Fan did not want Kolb before the Manning talk even started.

Work ethic wise, this couldn't be any farther from the truth.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject:

LuckyNumber11 wrote:

But you can't have good pocket presence when your o-line sucks!

Oh yes you can. For an example, see: Watrner, Kurt

Pocket presence is a big problem with John Skelton as well, however.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject:

khodder wrote:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I said up in Flag khodder........ Also admitted it didn't translate to the regular season. I know we both didn't want Kolb, but I said I would support him once he got here. I will hold my final judgement until this season on him, he needs the OTAs, minicamp, TC, and preseason.
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11sanchez11

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I said up in Flag khodder........ Also admitted it didn't translate to the regular season. ow we both didn't want Kolb, but I said I would support him once he got here. I will hold my final judgement until this season on him, he needs the OTAs, minicamp, TC, and preseason I kn.

Well in Flagstaff he didn't have to worry about being hit.

I agree with the bolded though.

love2theOLINE

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:05 pm Post subject:

11sanchez11 wrote:

love2theOLINE wrote:

Well in Flagstaff he didn't have to worry about being hit.

I agree with the bolded though.

It does add a level of confidence. Very Happy

But man he did look like he could be the guy up there, Leinart never looked like that.
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Snowman1

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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:13 am Post subject:

We gave up a lot for him Sad

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