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neo
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject: Could FS Conte an SS Hardin form a formidable tandem? |
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I know, I know, Hardin hasn't played a down yet, and we still have Major Wright. First lets start with Conte. He was drafted at 6-3 197 lbs, but looked like he could put on about 5-10 lbs to his frame. He alos came on pretty strong before he was hurt. He has good coverage ability and also is a willing/sure tackler. Now he culd have a physical speciman in Hardin who actually played CB as well. Hardin coming in at 6-3 217 lbs with exceptional speed and is a physical tackler, which a great trait for a SS. These two together could be a very good tandem with both of them playing CB in college, but physical enough to play the safety positions. I think these two will be a very pleasant surprise in our defense this year. I l like M. Wright, but he seemed to out matched in coverage, even though he was a good tackler. If anything Hardin will bring the best out of him, but I think Hardin will be a team favorite with his style of play and he takes the SS position by week 2 if not in preseason. What are your thoughts? _________________
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RidiculousJames 
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 1343 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'd be surprised if he took it by week 2 but I do think he will push Major Wright and would not be totally shocked if Hardin was starting by the end of the season. I like Major too but he needs to up his game, I don't think his injury issues have helped him and I'm hoping he comes good if he gets a full year plus pre-season under his belt. We would be lucky to have both safeties go 16 games (and potentially play-offs) uninjured so good to know we have two solid back-ups in Steltz and Hardin. _________________
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VeniceBearsFan
Joined: 15 Feb 2010 Posts: 1818 Location: Venice, Florida
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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conte has super-star potential IMO. He has great speed and appears to have pretty good ball skills (some people call it right place right time, I say good instincts). I don't know what teh story with hardin is. Let's see how he performs when the pads are on in camp/preseason before we give up on major wright.
also steltz is there and he has proved to be a great all around football player so we should be fine at safety going into next year _________________ ADOPT A BEAR= CENTER ROBERTO GARZA
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IronMike84 
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Craig Steltz will probably see the field before Hardin if Wright gets banged up again, but they might rotate him in to get a look at him in a real game situation regardless.
Like I've said, given his size and being a converted corner, I think Hardin's job is going to be covering tight ends. You don't get burned that badly by Jermichael Finley and then draft a guy like Hardin by coincidence. |
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MonserinNC 
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4984 Location: Back in the CHIIII
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| IronMike84 wrote: | Craig Steltz will probably see the field before Hardin if Wright gets banged up again, but they might rotate him in to get a look at him in a real game situation regardless.
Like I've said, given his size and being a converted corner, I think Hardin's job is going to be covering tight ends. You don't get burned that badly by Jermichael Finley and then draft a guy like Hardin by coincidence. |
Both Major Wright and Conte leap frogged Steltz on the depth chart already...and then Merriwhether did it...I wouldnt be surprised if if Hardin gets alot of action. _________________
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AZBearsFan 
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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I think the fact that we have drafted 3rd round safeties each of the 2 drafts since Wright was brought in shows that the team isn't sold on him as a starter. I think Hardin will get a shot to supplant Wright if Wright continues to leave the door open to that. If Wright shows to be the guy we thought he could be 2 years ago then he will probably continue to be the guy. If not then he probably won't be the guy. Much like several other positions since Emery has taken over, this one will come down to who rises to the top in a competition. Outside of Cutler, Forte, Marshall, Peppers, Urlacher, Briggs and Tillman, and to a lesser extent Garza and Melton, the rest of our positions seemingly are pretty unsettled. Thats more than half of our starting lineup. For a team with SB aspirations that is a lot of uncertainty. Should make for a really interesting training camp and preseason. _________________
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VeniceBearsFan
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| MonserinNC wrote: | | IronMike84 wrote: | Craig Steltz will probably see the field before Hardin if Wright gets banged up again, but they might rotate him in to get a look at him in a real game situation regardless.
Like I've said, given his size and being a converted corner, I think Hardin's job is going to be covering tight ends. You don't get burned that badly by Jermichael Finley and then draft a guy like Hardin by coincidence. |
Both Major Wright and Conte leap frogged Steltz on the depth chart already...and then Merriwhether did it...I wouldnt be surprised if if Hardin gets alot of action. |
I'm pretty sure merriwhether lost playing time in favor of steltz as the season went on (like in denver for example) so steltz proved to be a superior safety to merriwhether at the moment is more qualified as the number 3/universal backup safety than hardin is _________________ ADOPT A BEAR= CENTER ROBERTO GARZA
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SLCbear 
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| yes, they can become a very formidable tandem !!! I hope Hardin passes him in camp and is starting week 1 |
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madmike44 
Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Posts: 7503 Location: South Loop, Chicago
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:46 am Post subject: |
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It's interesting how the coaching staff is so cautious with the safety position. They are worried about Major Wright, who has missed games in his first 2 years. They have drafted a safety in every draft since Lovie has been coach. And they still haven't found an adequate guy in all those years.
On paper they have guys that look like they can play the position. But that doesn't mean squat. They have to prove they can play on the field. And since they keep drafting a safety every year since Lovie has been coach, if anything that says that they really don't know how to draft safeties. So why would these be any different.
The interesting part I mentioned earlier is how they put such a premium on safeties, and are so worried about Wright missing games in his career. So much that they drafted ANOTHER one this year, in the 3rd round no less (same round as Wright. Same round as Conte)
Yet they are comfortable going to war with a rookie tackle who has played exactly 1.25 games, and another tackle/guard who has played one full year out of four. And another tackle who was a 7th round pick and has shown to this point, that he needs to improve drastically in his third year to even be considered average.
Things that make you go hmmmmm...... |
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GOGRIESE 
Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 14700 Location: Use to live in Chicago Now Im in Austin Texas
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| madmike44 wrote: | It's interesting how the coaching staff is so cautious with the safety position. They are worried about Major Wright, who has missed games in his first 2 years. They have drafted a safety in every draft since Lovie has been coach. And they still haven't found an adequate guy in all those years.
On paper they have guys that look like they can play the position. But that doesn't mean squat. They have to prove they can play on the field. And since they keep drafting a safety every year since Lovie has been coach, if anything that says that they really don't know how to draft safeties. So why would these be any different.
The interesting part I mentioned earlier is how they put such a premium on safeties, and are so worried about Wright missing games in his career. So much that they drafted ANOTHER one this year, in the 3rd round no less (same round as Wright. Same round as Conte)
Yet they are comfortable going to war with a rookie tackle who has played exactly 1.25 games, and another tackle/guard who has played one full year out of four. And another tackle who was a 7th round pick and has shown to this point, that he needs to improve drastically in his third year to even be considered average.
Things that make you go hmmmmm...... |
The defense puts a premium on safeties.
They are going to war with a tackle they drafted in the 1st round and has the tools to be an anchor at RT. Webb remains to be seen. Tice wants to roll with him. So be it. Lovie wants to continue looking for a safety. So be it. They are two good coaches who know what they are doing. If they fail they will be fired. Simple as that.
That last statement is just plain false. Webb is not a horrid left tackle. He has all the tools to be good out there. But he isnt consistent. He needs to improve drastically to be the LT we know he has the talent to be. |
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madmike44 
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| GOGRIESE wrote: |
The defense puts a premium on safeties.
They are going to war with a tackle they drafted in the 1st round and has the tools to be an anchor at RT. Webb remains to be seen. Tice wants to roll with him. So be it. Lovie wants to continue looking for a safety. So be it. They are two good coaches who know what they are doing. If they fail they will be fired. Simple as that.
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Simple as that huh?
"Good coaches" that have a career record of .555
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2005 47 Chicago Bears NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 1 0 1 .000 1
2006 48 Chicago Bears NFL 16 13 3 0 .813 3 2 1 .667 1 NFC Champions
2007 49 Chicago Bears NFL 16 7 9 0 .438 3
2008 50 Chicago Bears NFL 16 9 7 0 .563 2
2009 51 Chicago Bears NFL 16 7 9 0 .438 3
2010 52 Chicago Bears NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 2 1 1 .500 1
2011 53 Chicago Bears NFL 16 8 8 0 .500 3
11 yrs 128 71 57 0 .555 6 3 3 .500 2.0 Avg Finish |
"If it fails they will be fired" Having to draft a safety every year you're a coach, and still not finding the right one, is not failing at finding a safety? Yet he hasn't been fired yet. So your statement is false and naive.
That's all I'm going to say. If you need further explanation as to why that's all I'm going to say regarding anything you post, read my sig. |
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ChicagoAl
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| madmike44 wrote: | | GOGRIESE wrote: |
The defense puts a premium on safeties.
They are going to war with a tackle they drafted in the 1st round and has the tools to be an anchor at RT. Webb remains to be seen. Tice wants to roll with him. So be it. Lovie wants to continue looking for a safety. So be it. They are two good coaches who know what they are doing. If they fail they will be fired. Simple as that.
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Simple as that huh?
"Good coaches" that have a career record of .555
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2004 46 Chicago Bears NFL 16 5 11 0 .313 4
2005 47 Chicago Bears NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 1 0 1 .000 1
2006 48 Chicago Bears NFL 16 13 3 0 .813 3 2 1 .667 1 NFC Champions
2007 49 Chicago Bears NFL 16 7 9 0 .438 3
2008 50 Chicago Bears NFL 16 9 7 0 .563 2
2009 51 Chicago Bears NFL 16 7 9 0 .438 3
2010 52 Chicago Bears NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 2 1 1 .500 1
2011 53 Chicago Bears NFL 16 8 8 0 .500 3
11 yrs 128 71 57 0 .555 6 3 3 .500 2.0 Avg Finish |
"If it fails they will be fired" Having to draft a safety every year you're a coach, and still not finding the right one, is not failing at finding a safety? Yet he hasn't been fired yet. So your statement is false and naive.
That's all I'm going to say. If you need further explanation as to why that's all I'm going to say regarding anything you post, read my sig. | Safeties getting hurt is not a sign of failure in coaches. The Drafter of those safeties is no longer on the team. The fact that Emery is doing the same thing as Angelo is a strong indication that they are still worried about safety. They should be since we have yet to replace Mike Brown.
As another poster pointed out our defensive scheme puts a premium on good safety play.
Our line is improving and we now have good depth. Webb had more good games than bad and the whole line was playing well until Jay went down. That improvement should continue. Especially with calls that don't hang Jay and the line out to dry. It is not yet clear who will be playing where except at LT and possibly center. Having Carimi back in the mix will help a lot. |
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IronMike84 
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| madmike44 wrote: | | They have drafted a safety in every draft since Lovie has been coach. And they still haven't found an adequate guy in all those years. |
Well, they actually did. They had a team captain Mike Brown as the incumbent who couldn't stay healthy after Lovie got here. Beyond him, they drafted Manning and Harris, more than adequate at FS and SS respectively, and let one walk after trying to make him a corner and traded away the other so Adam Archuleta could start. THAT'S the head-scratcher. |
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GOGRIESE 
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| madmike44 wrote: | | GOGRIESE wrote: |
The defense puts a premium on safeties.
They are going to war with a tackle they drafted in the 1st round and has the tools to be an anchor at RT. Webb remains to be seen. Tice wants to roll with him. So be it. Lovie wants to continue looking for a safety. So be it. They are two good coaches who know what they are doing. If they fail they will be fired. Simple as that.
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Simple as that huh?
"Good coaches" that have a career record of .555
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Year Age Tm Lg G W L T W-L% G plyf W plyf L plyf W-L% Rank Notes
2004 46 Chicago Bears NFL 16 5 11 0 .313 4
2005 47 Chicago Bears NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 1 0 1 .000 1
2006 48 Chicago Bears NFL 16 13 3 0 .813 3 2 1 .667 1 NFC Champions
2007 49 Chicago Bears NFL 16 7 9 0 .438 3
2008 50 Chicago Bears NFL 16 9 7 0 .563 2
2009 51 Chicago Bears NFL 16 7 9 0 .438 3
2010 52 Chicago Bears NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 2 1 1 .500 1
2011 53 Chicago Bears NFL 16 8 8 0 .500 3
11 yrs 128 71 57 0 .555 6 3 3 .500 2.0 Avg Finish |
"If it fails they will be fired" Having to draft a safety every year you're a coach, and still not finding the right one, is not failing at finding a safety? Yet he hasn't been fired yet. So your statement is false and naive.
That's all I'm going to say. If you need further explanation as to why that's all I'm going to say regarding anything you post, read my sig. |
Gotta love that. Im right and Im not going to discuss this any further because Im right.
if Im an idiot then why argue with me in the first place?
As IronMike pointed out they did find a safety. No one is going to be fired because of one position(unless its QB and even then there are other factors). Yes Lovie is a good coach. When was the last time this team visited the SB before 2006? I can remember a whole line of terrible teams with terrible coaches. We were the laughing stock of the league at some points. Not under Lovie. Even when he has little to work with he has gotten the most out of it. |
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ChicagoAl
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| GOGRIESE wrote: | | madmike44 wrote: | | GOGRIESE wrote: |
The defense puts a premium on safeties.
They are going to war with a tackle they drafted in the 1st round and has the tools to be an anchor at RT. Webb remains to be seen. Tice wants to roll with him. So be it. Lovie wants to continue looking for a safety. So be it. They are two good coaches who know what they are doing. If they fail they will be fired. Simple as that.
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Simple as that huh?
"Good coaches" that have a career record of .555
| Quote: | Coaching Results
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Year Age Tm Lg G W L T W-L% G plyf W plyf L plyf W-L% Rank Notes
2004 46 Chicago Bears NFL 16 5 11 0 .313 4
2005 47 Chicago Bears NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 1 0 1 .000 1
2006 48 Chicago Bears NFL 16 13 3 0 .813 3 2 1 .667 1 NFC Champions
2007 49 Chicago Bears NFL 16 7 9 0 .438 3
2008 50 Chicago Bears NFL 16 9 7 0 .563 2
2009 51 Chicago Bears NFL 16 7 9 0 .438 3
2010 52 Chicago Bears NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 2 1 1 .500 1
2011 53 Chicago Bears NFL 16 8 8 0 .500 3
11 yrs 128 71 57 0 .555 6 3 3 .500 2.0 Avg Finish |
"If it fails they will be fired" Having to draft a safety every year you're a coach, and still not finding the right one, is not failing at finding a safety? Yet he hasn't been fired yet. So your statement is false and naive.
That's all I'm going to say. If you need further explanation as to why that's all I'm going to say regarding anything you post, read my sig. |
Gotta love that. Im right and Im not going to discuss this any further because Im right.
if Im an idiot then why argue with me in the first place?
As IronMike pointed out they did find a safety. No one is going to be fired because of one position(unless its QB and even then there are other factors). Yes Lovie is a good coach. When was the last time this team visited the SB before 2006? I can remember a whole line of terrible teams with terrible coaches. We were the laughing stock of the league at some points. Not under Lovie. Even when he has little to work with he has gotten the most out of it. | No surprises with that post from our lovely friend, I hope. I am not a big Lovie fan but he certainly can't be blamed for the draft since the GM has the final say there. |
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