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Thought about Jones as a versatile C/G prospect as well, Elliot. Koppen is old and despite Walton coming back we have had trouble staying healthy in the trenches, so why not go after a very solid player who can play everywhere on the inside. He is not the strongest, though, which was the knock on our interior guys last season.
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I dont understand this concept of moving Franklin to Guard? Was there something I missed that said he cant play RT?
Its a lot harder to find a good RT than it is to find a RG. Just saying.
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | I dont understand this concept of moving Franklin to Guard? Was there something I missed that said he cant play RT?
Its a lot harder to find a good RT than it is to find a RG. Just saying. |
To be honest I thought they liked him at RT (more than I do), and then right after I said that there was a report that came out saying they want to go ahead with moving him inside.
| Jeff Legwold wrote: | | The Broncos will also look hard at moving right tackle Orlando Franklin inside to guard. |
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_22525711/broncos-devising-strategies-free-agency-march-draft-april
I think this may be entirely contingent on what's available to them in the draft. The Tackle depth outside of Joeckel-Fisher-Johnson doesn't seem very good, so I'm not sure there's a prospect worthy of 28 at tackle. If the rest of the class drops off... We probably don't upgrade Franklin using a late 2nd on T.
On the other hand there are a couple guards who seem to be worth the 28th pick (as much as a guard can actually be worth a first). Guys like Warford and Barrett Jones who would both provide immediate contributions.
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| BroncoinGermany wrote: | | Thought about Jones as a versatile C/G prospect as well, Elliot. Koppen is old and despite Walton coming back we have had trouble staying healthy in the trenches, so why not go after a very solid player who can play everywhere on the inside. He is not the strongest, though, which was the knock on our interior guys last season. |
I think when Elway and Fox are going through their preliminary checklist they're probably checking a lot of things off while evaluating Jones
☑Intelligence
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☑Versatility
☑Need
Jones is one player I think you have to watch closely at the combine. Ill be interested to see how he compares to others in all of the strength/power drills.
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| AntiSuperstar wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | We differ in that opinion. I thought our inability to grind out 1st downs and the clock was a major weakness against the Ravens. |
That has more to do with our running backs than it does our offensive line though. Really I'm not big into "needs," but if you ask me, this team could seriously use a running back. Nothing against Hillman, but he's all finesse, we need someone else to rotate with him. McGahee might be back but I would like to give old fumble-fingers some competition. Moreno, Hester, and Ball aren't cutting it and I don't want to see/hear Jeremiah Johnson's name ever again. Guy can go play in the arena league or whatever. |
I agree. The lack of a bigger back in the Ravens game hurt us. I thought Hillman played pretty well all things considered, and he did pick it up towards the end of the season, especially once he learned to be a little more instinctive and decisive. The guard play this season was alright, could have been better, could have been worse. I don't see it as a top-flight need though.
Running back is a need, but it's a difficult situation this year. A guy like Eddie Lacy, IMO is a real possibility at the end of the first round for us if he tests well. There's rumors than Knowshon will be let go. Hillman is safe, we don't really know about any other back on the team. There are good backs that fit the type of RB we need in this class.
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| elliot878 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | I dont understand this concept of moving Franklin to Guard? Was there something I missed that said he cant play RT?
Its a lot harder to find a good RT than it is to find a RG. Just saying. |
To be honest I thought they liked him at RT (more than I do), and then right after I said that there was a report that came out saying they want to go ahead with moving him inside.
| Jeff Legwold wrote: | | The Broncos will also look hard at moving right tackle Orlando Franklin inside to guard. |
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_22525711/broncos-devising-strategies-free-agency-march-draft-april
I think this may be entirely contingent on what's available to them in the draft. The Tackle depth outside of Joeckel-Fisher-Johnson doesn't seem very good, so I'm not sure there's a prospect worthy of 28 at tackle. If the rest of the class drops off... We probably don't upgrade Franklin using a late 2nd on T.
On the other hand there are a couple guards who seem to be worth the 28th pick (as much as a guard can actually be worth a first). Guys like Warford and Barrett Jones who would both provide immediate contributions. |
Im not the biggest Jeff Legwold fan. I think hes clueless. The concept of having a 6-7 guard really makes no sense to me, especially for a player that uses his height and base to his advantage.
I agree with the Warford and Jones comment, they can help, but not at the expense of a 1st round pick. Both are 2nd-round guys in my book.
| broncos67 wrote: | | Running back is a need, but it's a difficult situation this year. A guy like Eddie Lacy, IMO is a real possibility at the end of the first round for us if he tests well. There's rumors than Knowshon will be let go. Hillman is safe, we don't really know about any other back on the team. There are good backs that fit the type of RB we need in this class. |
Eddie Lacy is not a 1st round running back. Hes got no initial quickness and provides nothing in the passing game (blocking or receiving). Fans over-hype this guy because he plays behind an NFL OL. The National Championship game gets so much attention, but when you look at the tape, he wasnt getting contact till 5-7 yards past the LOS. When the LOS was clogged, he showed no abilities to avoid defenders or muscle his way for a couple yards.
I give Lacy a late-2nd round grade behind Andre Ellington, Giovani Bernard and Joseph Randle. Id say that Monte Ball and Eddie Lacy are both late-2nds in my book.
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Being 6'7" at RG wouldn't hurt Franklin, he plays with fairly good leverage already and it's not like we have a short QB behind him with PFM being 6'5" and Brock is at least 6'6". The reasoning behind the proposed move is Franklin wouldn't have to deal with speed rushers and it would improve our interior rushing attack.
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| elliot878 wrote: | | BroncoinGermany wrote: | | Thought about Jones as a versatile C/G prospect as well, Elliot. Koppen is old and despite Walton coming back we have had trouble staying healthy in the trenches, so why not go after a very solid player who can play everywhere on the inside. He is not the strongest, though, which was the knock on our interior guys last season. |
I think when Elway and Fox are going through their preliminary checklist they're probably checking a lot of things off while evaluating Jones
☑Intelligence
☑Character
☑Immediate impact
☑Versatility
☑Need
Jones is one player I think you have to watch closely at the combine. Ill be interested to see how he compares to others in all of the strength/power drills. |
I agree. Jones will be a starter for the next 10-15 years. He may not be a Steve Hutchinson but he will be an above average- very good interior lineman for decade plus.
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| elliot878 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | I dont understand this concept of moving Franklin to Guard? Was there something I missed that said he cant play RT?
Its a lot harder to find a good RT than it is to find a RG. Just saying. |
To be honest I thought they liked him at RT (more than I do), and then right after I said that there was a report that came out saying they want to go ahead with moving him inside.
| Jeff Legwold wrote: | | The Broncos will also look hard at moving right tackle Orlando Franklin inside to guard. |
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_22525711/broncos-devising-strategies-free-agency-march-draft-april
I think this may be entirely contingent on what's available to them in the draft. The Tackle depth outside of Joeckel-Fisher-Johnson doesn't seem very good, so I'm not sure there's a prospect worthy of 28 at tackle. If the rest of the class drops off... We probably don't upgrade Franklin using a late 2nd on T.
On the other hand there are a couple guards who seem to be worth the 28th pick (as much as a guard can actually be worth a first). Guys like Warford and Barrett Jones who would both provide immediate contributions. |
Jonathan Cooper is another guard prospect that I can see at 28
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| elwayfan07 wrote: | | elliot878 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | I dont understand this concept of moving Franklin to Guard? Was there something I missed that said he cant play RT?
Its a lot harder to find a good RT than it is to find a RG. Just saying. |
To be honest I thought they liked him at RT (more than I do), and then right after I said that there was a report that came out saying they want to go ahead with moving him inside.
| Jeff Legwold wrote: | | The Broncos will also look hard at moving right tackle Orlando Franklin inside to guard. |
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_22525711/broncos-devising-strategies-free-agency-march-draft-april
I think this may be entirely contingent on what's available to them in the draft. The Tackle depth outside of Joeckel-Fisher-Johnson doesn't seem very good, so I'm not sure there's a prospect worthy of 28 at tackle. If the rest of the class drops off... We probably don't upgrade Franklin using a late 2nd on T.
On the other hand there are a couple guards who seem to be worth the 28th pick (as much as a guard can actually be worth a first). Guys like Warford and Barrett Jones who would both provide immediate contributions. |
Jonathan Cooper is another guard prospect that I can see at 28 |
Knew I forgot one. Yea Jones will be a solid pro, high floor low ceiling. Very safe pick. We'll see what Elway wants I guess.
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elliot878 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | I dont understand this concept of moving Franklin to Guard? Was there something I missed that said he cant play RT?
Its a lot harder to find a good RT than it is to find a RG. Just saying. |
To be honest I thought they liked him at RT (more than I do), and then right after I said that there was a report that came out saying they want to go ahead with moving him inside.
| Jeff Legwold wrote: | | The Broncos will also look hard at moving right tackle Orlando Franklin inside to guard. |
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_22525711/broncos-devising-strategies-free-agency-march-draft-april
I think this may be entirely contingent on what's available to them in the draft. The Tackle depth outside of Joeckel-Fisher-Johnson doesn't seem very good, so I'm not sure there's a prospect worthy of 28 at tackle. If the rest of the class drops off... We probably don't upgrade Franklin using a late 2nd on T.
On the other hand there are a couple guards who seem to be worth the 28th pick (as much as a guard can actually be worth a first). Guys like Warford and Barrett Jones who would both provide immediate contributions. |
Im not the biggest Jeff Legwold fan. I think hes clueless. The concept of having a 6-7 guard really makes no sense to me, especially for a player that uses his height and base to his advantage.
I agree with the Warford and Jones comment, they can help, but not at the expense of a 1st round pick. Both are 2nd-round guys in my book. |
I agree with the Legwold comment. Never been high on my list of guys to follow for Broncos news and insight. In that article he did nail that Clady would be franchised due to his shoulder... Believe the article was written before Elway came out and said it. May be confusing articles too. Lot of reading.
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| elliot878 wrote: | | I agree with the Legwold comment. Never been high on my list of guys to follow for Broncos news and insight. In that article he did nail that Clady would be franchised due to his shoulder... Believe the article was written before Elway came out and said it. May be confusing articles too. Lot of reading. |
Legwold isn't so much of a reporter/news guy as he is an analysis guy. In that role I think he's pretty good. He was all over Von Miller in 2011 and was high on Doug Martin last year. He knows football pretty well, is serious about and works hard. As far as analysis goes, he's the best of the mainstream writers who cover the Broncos.
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| elwayfan07 wrote: | | elliot878 wrote: | | BroncoinGermany wrote: | | Thought about Jones as a versatile C/G prospect as well, Elliot. Koppen is old and despite Walton coming back we have had trouble staying healthy in the trenches, so why not go after a very solid player who can play everywhere on the inside. He is not the strongest, though, which was the knock on our interior guys last season. |
I think when Elway and Fox are going through their preliminary checklist they're probably checking a lot of things off while evaluating Jones
☑Intelligence
☑Character
☑Immediate impact
☑Versatility
☑Need
Jones is one player I think you have to watch closely at the combine. Ill be interested to see how he compares to others in all of the strength/power drills. |
I agree. Jones will be a starter for the next 10-15 years. He may not be a Steve Hutchinson but he will be an above average- very good interior lineman for decade plus. |
Are his injury troubles behind him or do I mistake Jones for somebody else? Him and Fluker have been injured, haven't they?
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| BroncoinGermany wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | elliot878 wrote: | | BroncoinGermany wrote: | | Thought about Jones as a versatile C/G prospect as well, Elliot. Koppen is old and despite Walton coming back we have had trouble staying healthy in the trenches, so why not go after a very solid player who can play everywhere on the inside. He is not the strongest, though, which was the knock on our interior guys last season. |
I think when Elway and Fox are going through their preliminary checklist they're probably checking a lot of things off while evaluating Jones
☑Intelligence
☑Character
☑Immediate impact
☑Versatility
☑Need
Jones is one player I think you have to watch closely at the combine. Ill be interested to see how he compares to others in all of the strength/power drills. |
I agree. Jones will be a starter for the next 10-15 years. He may not be a Steve Hutchinson but he will be an above average- very good interior lineman for decade plus. |
Are his injury troubles behind him or do I mistake Jones for somebody else? Him and Fluker have been injured, haven't they? |
He had to have foot surgery. However, he was able to play in the BCS Title game with it and is expected to makea full recovery
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