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kethnaab
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i'm darn sure not going to miss seeing him 2-3x per season, but as a football fan, this sucks. He's always been one of my favorite (yet most hated) football players in the NFL.
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| coordinator0 wrote: | | I would expect the opposite. Kruger was used primarily as a pass-rusher last season and that's pretty much the same role (rush LB) that Suggs filled on every play. A WLB in a 3-4 defense doesn't really exist, the closest thing to that would be one of the ILB spots. Losing Suggs is going to hurt a lot, but assuming both Kruger and Upshaw can provide ~8 sacks/consistent pressure and McPhee can continue to improve then the defense won't be in a terrible position. Definitely not as good as what it was but the team will be able to compete. The offense has to step up big now too. |
Nah, I agree the WOLB spot would be better suited for Kruger as I think at this point in their careers he is the better pass rusher between Upshaw and himself. However, I feel SOLB has been what Kruger has/had been focusing on for the upcoming season. And more so, I feel it would be better to put Upshaw in a position to maximize his talents while not over burdening him with various responsibilities like the SOLB position would ask of him. Given Kruger's familiarity with our system, I would feel more comfortable with him making the correct reads, manning up against opposing TEs, and covering the flats. By putting Upshaw at WOLB we could basically just tell the rookie to pin his ears back and wreck havoc in the backfield anyway he sees fit.
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I wanted to laugh at this but all it made me think of was Cam Cameron coming back this year, which then made me even more angry about what just happened today!
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| News to me but Suggs must have received a PHD in the off-Season. Since he is telling Espn he will be back midseason |
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| RavensTillIDie wrote: | | Nah, I agree the WOLB spot would be better suited for Kruger as I think at this point in their careers he is the better pass rusher between Upshaw and himself. However, I feel SOLB has been what Kruger has/had been focusing on for the upcoming season. And more so, I feel it would be better to put Upshaw in a position to maximize his talents while not over burdening him with various responsibilities like the SOLB position would ask of him. Given Kruger's familiarity with our system, I would feel more comfortable with him making the correct reads, manning up against opposing TEs, and covering the flats. By putting Upshaw at WOLB we could basically just tell the rookie to pin his ears back and wreck havoc in the backfield anyway he sees fit. |
I don't think there's been enough time in the off-season for it to make much of a difference for what Kruger was preparing for. If this happened during training camp I might agree but so far they've only had workouts at the team facility. It would be easier for Upshaw to just focus on rushing the passer but I still think that being placed in their more natural roles would eventually be the decision. |
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DontTazeMeBro
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Question for people who know how the cap works. If Suggs goes on IR does he count against the cap? And has the cap for 2012 been decided yet?
How bout Dwight Freeney? They've been saying for a while that the Colts are trying to move him.
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| DontTazeMeBro wrote: | Question for people who know how the cap works. If Suggs goes on IR does he count against the cap? And has the cap for 2012 been decided yet?
How bout Dwight Freeney? They've been saying for a while that the Colts are trying to move him. |
Yes it still goes against the cap as he's still getting paid.
I'm not positive about the cap but I know we're only slightly under it and we're still trying to sign Rice/Flacco.
I highly, highly, highly doubt we even entertain the idea of a guy like Freeney/Osi as they'd want more than 1 year which is all we'd need them for plus the $ they'd want is something we can't afford.
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| coordinator0 wrote: | | RavensTillIDie wrote: | | Nah, I agree the WOLB spot would be better suited for Kruger as I think at this point in their careers he is the better pass rusher between Upshaw and himself. However, I feel SOLB has been what Kruger has/had been focusing on for the upcoming season. And more so, I feel it would be better to put Upshaw in a position to maximize his talents while not over burdening him with various responsibilities like the SOLB position would ask of him. Given Kruger's familiarity with our system, I would feel more comfortable with him making the correct reads, manning up against opposing TEs, and covering the flats. By putting Upshaw at WOLB we could basically just tell the rookie to pin his ears back and wreck havoc in the backfield anyway he sees fit. |
I don't think there's been enough time in the off-season for it to make much of a difference for what Kruger was preparing for. If this happened during training camp I might agree but so far they've only had workouts at the team facility. It would be easier for Upshaw to just focus on rushing the passer but I still think that being placed in their more natural roles would eventually be the decision. |
Ultimately, I don't care where either of them plays during the season. I trust in our staff to recognize where they will be be able to maximize their talents this year. As disheartening as this injury is, it does leave me a little (just a little) excited to see how our young OLBs perform.
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diamondbull424
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | | diamondbull424 wrote: | |
I wanted to laugh at this but all it made me think of was Cam Cameron coming back this year, which then made me even more angry about what just happened today! |
Agreed. But losing Suggs = Bringing back Cam, in terms of how disheartening it is. There really was no gif better to describe how I feel. I honestly clicked on this thread thinking I'd see some Suggs-Skip Bayless talk or something...
But yeah, I'm weird I laugh most when thinks arent supposed to be funny. Whoever posted the video link to Darth Vader WINS this sad thread. I laughed. But this is depressing.
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | I highly, highly, highly doubt we even entertain the idea of a guy like Freeney/Osi as they'd want more than 1 year which is all we'd need them for plus the $ they'd want is something we can't afford. |
Osi is on the last year of his contract and is only scheduled to make around $4 million. It wouldn't be his ideal situation but one of the things he wants is to be a starter. But it's not like he could just refuse to play because if he doesn't his contract won't end. And if he plays but doesn't go hard, it hurts him in free agency next year. It looks like it could fit.
Freeney on the other hand makes way too much money to bring on without giving him a new contract.
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| DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | I highly, highly, highly doubt we even entertain the idea of a guy like Freeney/Osi as they'd want more than 1 year which is all we'd need them for plus the $ they'd want is something we can't afford. |
Osi is on the last year of his contract and is only scheduled to make around $4 million. It wouldn't be his ideal situation but one of the things he wants is to be a starter. But it's not like he could just refuse to play because if he doesn't his contract won't end. And if he plays but doesn't go hard, it hurts him in free agency next year. It looks like it could fit.
Freeney on the other hand makes way too much money to bring on without giving him a new contract. |
But A) we don't have an extra $4M in cap space sitting around and B) we'd have to trade likely a 2nd or 3rd for a 1 year rental. No thanks.
Also, update: Suggs says doctor he saw first says it's just a partial tear.
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| RavensTillIDie wrote: | | coordinator0 wrote: | | I would expect the opposite. Kruger was used primarily as a pass-rusher last season and that's pretty much the same role (rush LB) that Suggs filled on every play. A WLB in a 3-4 defense doesn't really exist, the closest thing to that would be one of the ILB spots. Losing Suggs is going to hurt a lot, but assuming both Kruger and Upshaw can provide ~8 sacks/consistent pressure and McPhee can continue to improve then the defense won't be in a terrible position. Definitely not as good as what it was but the team will be able to compete. The offense has to step up big now too. |
Nah, I agree the WOLB spot would be better suited for Kruger as I think at this point in their careers he is the better pass rusher between Upshaw and himself. However, I feel SOLB has been what Kruger has/had been focusing on for the upcoming season. And more so, I feel it would be better to put Upshaw in a position to maximize his talents while not over burdening him with various responsibilities like the SOLB position would ask of him. Given Kruger's familiarity with our system, I would feel more comfortable with him making the correct reads, manning up against opposing TEs, and covering the flats. By putting Upshaw at WOLB we could basically just tell the rookie to pin his ears back and wreck havoc in the backfield anyway he sees fit. |
But even had Kruger been preparing for the SAM spot, Suggs had edge contain duties on the weak side as well. Those skills won't be going to waste. Kruger also played WLB all through the 2011 preseason and was adept at that spot. There were also times in the season where Suggs would rush from the left and Kruger would rush from the right.
So ultimately I have to believe that Kruger had practiced and played both spots. So being the veteran it'd make the most sense to put Kruger in the most important edge threat position, the weak side... Especially since it plays to his strengths.
I also don't want to rule Kindle out. There really isn't a better opportunity for him to step up and prove to be a player. I agree, in a way, Suggs going down is an opportunity.
If he's truly able to comeback by mid-season, come playoff time maybe he's ready to at least come in as a situational pass rusher... The only problem is I wonder how much explosiveness he'll have once he returns- that could be the issue.
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The NFL really has to rework how Injured Reserve works. Basically all it does is open a roster spot. If a guy heals from his injury he can't come back once he is placed on it and he gets paid his full salary while on it. So what does injured reserve do to benefit a team? They can add ONE more player and that's it.
They should make it so that if a player gets injured, I don't mind forcing him to sit down the entire year I don't want it to be like the disabled list in baseball, but they should only count a certain percentage of his salary cap, like half. So that way a team isn't charged a lot of money against the cap when a player gets injured and it prevents them from adding a quality player to their roster to replace the guy. I understand that injuries are part of the game but you're charging the Ravens a lot of money for a player that can't play so if they only charge for half his cap number it's still a large chunk of change and they probably can't afford a high priced guy like Dwight Freeney but they could still get a player to replace him.
Although, I don't know how Suggs' contract is worded obviously but if it is found out that he tore it playing Basketball rather than doing a conditioning test like he says then there will be some sort of effect on his cap number. Then again, would it be worth it to anger a guy like Terrell Suggs? |
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | I highly, highly, highly doubt we even entertain the idea of a guy like Freeney/Osi as they'd want more than 1 year which is all we'd need them for plus the $ they'd want is something we can't afford. |
Osi is on the last year of his contract and is only scheduled to make around $4 million. It wouldn't be his ideal situation but one of the things he wants is to be a starter. But it's not like he could just refuse to play because if he doesn't his contract won't end. And if he plays but doesn't go hard, it hurts him in free agency next year. It looks like it could fit.
Freeney on the other hand makes way too much money to bring on without giving him a new contract. |
But A) we don't have an extra $4M in cap space sitting around and B) we'd have to trade likely a 2nd or 3rd for a 1 year rental. No thanks.
Also, update: Suggs says doctor he saw first says it's just a partial tear. |
I'm not saying they'll win or not with Osi but if YOU think the Ravens can win a Super Bowl with Osi on a one-year rental would so say it's worth a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick?
Also, this is my biggest problem with Ozzie Newsome. He does not have an MBA or a law degree so he should NOT be allowed to negotiate contracts with the best sports agents in the world. Every single year the Ravens are in such a horrible salary cap situation that they essentially can't do anything (this year they added three guys who are nothing more than deep depth that won't play much). There are a lot of guys on the Ravens that are significantly overpaid. So when the best player on the team...yes I think Terrell Suggs is the best player on the team...gets hurt they don't have any sort of money to do anything to help the team and they just have to deal with it and hope guys step up.
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| Mr. X wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | I highly, highly, highly doubt we even entertain the idea of a guy like Freeney/Osi as they'd want more than 1 year which is all we'd need them for plus the $ they'd want is something we can't afford. |
Osi is on the last year of his contract and is only scheduled to make around $4 million. It wouldn't be his ideal situation but one of the things he wants is to be a starter. But it's not like he could just refuse to play because if he doesn't his contract won't end. And if he plays but doesn't go hard, it hurts him in free agency next year. It looks like it could fit.
Freeney on the other hand makes way too much money to bring on without giving him a new contract. |
But A) we don't have an extra $4M in cap space sitting around and B) we'd have to trade likely a 2nd or 3rd for a 1 year rental. No thanks.
Also, update: Suggs says doctor he saw first says it's just a partial tear. |
I'm not saying they'll win or not with Osi but if YOU think the Ravens can win a Super Bowl with Osi on a one-year rental would so say it's worth a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick? |
I don't think Osi would be the difference between winning a SB and not winning a SB, so no, I don't think it would be worth it.
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