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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On an on topic note Jacobys supposedly going to have a tryout with the Panthers
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On an on topic note Jacobys supposedly going to have a tryout with the Panthers



This was actually one of my top landing spots for him. Besides the undrafted wrs, they have......

1.Smitty
2.Lafell
3.Gettis
4.Pilares
5.Joe Adams the rookie
6.Edwards

Jacoby is instantly better than Edwards and Pilares as in playing wr and Edwards could be gone. He suuuuuucked as a pr and almost no yards at wr. Pilares is their kr. Jones can forsure win the 4th spot and maybe the pr job even after......uuuhhh.....you know.......or he plays strictly wr while Adams is the pr.

I wish him luck...... I say panthers sign him.
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I wish him luck...... I say panthers sign him.


I'm still banking on one of our two affiliates - Oakland and Washington.

Oakland has some speedy guys that can KR/PR, but they lack a big-bodied WR outside of the starting two; Jones is already familiar with the gameplan that Greg Knapp is going to produce over there, and outside of Denarius Moore and DHB, who do the Raiders have? Jacoby Ford and his bevy of injuries? Louis Murphy, who had his worst season as a pro last year following his Viagra arrest? (Yes, you read that right). 5th round rookie Juron Criner? The ageless TJ Houshmanzadeh? If I'm Oakland - who has been very low key this offseason, quietly building a team that can contend in the winnable AFC West - the addition of Jones would be a quality signing, someone who can serve as a #3 WR for relatively cheap.

As bad as Oakland's WR situation is, Washington might be worse. Santana Moss (who's like, 48 years old or something) Leonard Hankerson (coming off of a brutal hip injury that very well may ruin his career) Anthony Armstrong, Pierre Garcon, and Josh Morgan round out this group. Might seem like some promise there with Garcon and Morgan - but remember, Morgan is coming off of a broken leg and Garcon proved last year that he's a product of Peyton Manning. No sure bet that either will live up to their contracts. Why not bring in Jones, a former Kyle Shannahan disciple and yet another target to pair up with RG III? Goodness knows the 'skins didn't do themselves any favors by drafting Kirk Cousins in the 4th round, as opposed to one of the many WRs still available. They need bodies, and Jacoby is one that knows the system and can bring in some big play ability. If I'm Washington - who went all in on RG III and really haven't done a great job surrounding him with quality talent to lean on in a very rough NFC East - I am calling Jones every hour on the hour, prepared to make him a viable financial offer to fight for snaps.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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texanteddyp wrote:
I wish him luck...... I say panthers sign him.


I'm still banking on one of our two affiliates - Oakland and Washington.

Oakland has some speedy guys that can KR/PR, but they lack a big-bodied WR outside of the starting two; Jones is already familiar with the gameplan that Greg Knapp is going to produce over there, and outside of Denarius Moore and DHB, who do the Raiders have? Jacoby Ford and his bevy of injuries? Louis Murphy, who had his worst season as a pro last year following his Viagra arrest? (Yes, you read that right). 5th round rookie Juron Criner? The ageless TJ Houshmanzadeh? If I'm Oakland - who has been very low key this offseason, quietly building a team that can contend in the winnable AFC West - the addition of Jones would be a quality signing, someone who can serve as a #3 WR for relatively cheap.

As bad as Oakland's WR situation is, Washington might be worse. Santana Moss (who's like, 48 years old or something) Leonard Hankerson (coming off of a brutal hip injury that very well may ruin his career) Anthony Armstrong, Pierre Garcon, and Josh Morgan round out this group. Might seem like some promise there with Garcon and Morgan - but remember, Morgan is coming off of a broken leg and Garcon proved last year that he's a product of Peyton Manning. No sure bet that either will live up to their contracts. Why not bring in Jones, a former Kyle Shannahan disciple and yet another target to pair up with RG III? Goodness knows the 'skins didn't do themselves any favors by drafting Kirk Cousins in the 4th round, as opposed to one of the many WRs still available. They need bodies, and Jacoby is one that knows the system and can bring in some big play ability. If I'm Washington - who went all in on RG III and really haven't done a great job surrounding him with quality talent to lean on in a very rough NFC East - I am calling Jones every hour on the hour, prepared to make him a viable financial offer to fight for snaps.


I sure hope not. I don't want RGIII to deal with a QB killer like JJ. Didn't know about Hankerson's injury - I thought he had big potential. Morgan deal was ridiculous as a 6th round nobody who couldn't beat a 38 year old Isaac Bruce out of his starting position. Santana Moss is only 2 years older than AJ so I guess it's time to start getting worried about the $14 million years sitting on AJ's contract, huh? While I'm not a Garcon guy either, to characterize him as a product of Manning is totally off base considering he eclipsed his 2009 & 2010 totals in 2011 despite Collins, Painter, and Orlavsky throwing to him.

The only silver lining in the Cousins pick is that it might be the one that gets Shanny fired. Who drafts someone for future trade bait following back to back last place finishes with 6 and 5 wins (except Casserly)? I think with 5 seasons in a row without a playoff birth (last 3 in Denver, 2 in Wash) Shanny may now hold the title of longest playoff drought by a current coach. Difference is that Snyder isn't McNair who was comfortable with a 10 year plan.

I just don't understand why teams continue to move mountains to draft QBs so high, then surround them with nothing but mediocrity at WR. You would think that Cam with S. Smith, Dalton with AJ Green, Stafford with C. Johnson would have taught these guys something vs. the crap around Gabbert, Bradford, and McCoy. Say what you will about the Colts defense, at least they gave Luck a bevy of weapons to start with and fix the defense next year.
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I sure hope not. I don't want RGIII to deal with a QB killer like JJ.

Despite our near-daily arguments on Kendall Wright...I am NOT a Baylor hater, and I actually like RGIII a lot...and I agree with you. (RGIII is a great QB...and he reminds me of Andre 3000. I like that). JJ might be a QB killer, but he might very well be the best possible option for the 'skins, right here/right now. 3-5 years down the line, there are several WRs to be had, via FA and the draft. But this first year, where RGIII is going to be thrown into the lion's den...he's gonna need some help, and (sadly enough) JJ might be the best of the current bunch.

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Didn't know about Hankerson's injury - I thought he had big potential.

If I read it correctly, he ruptured his labrum pretty bad. He tried to go for a non-invasive procedure to correct the injury, but that wasn't working, so he opted for surgery in February. He states he'll be ready by TC, but I have got to think that is an optimistic time table. He could be a big-potential guy, just not within this year.

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Morgan deal was ridiculous as a 6th round nobody who couldn't beat a 38 year old Isaac Bruce out of his starting position.

I like Morgan, but I agree with your assessment. Too much money, won't live up to it.

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Santana Moss is only 2 years older than AJ so I guess it's time to start getting worried about the $14 million years sitting on AJ's contract, huh?

...hence why I was all in on finding someone such a Brian Quick or Ashton Jeffrey in the draft. I wasn't just looking for a #2 WR, I was looking for a succession plan for when AJ's production doesn't match his contract. I love AJ, but I am concerned on how the next 2-4 years look for him.

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While I'm not a Garcon guy either, to characterize him as a product of Manning is totally off base considering he eclipsed his 2009 & 2010 totals in 2011 despite Collins, Painter, and Orlavsky throwing to him.
Hmm. Was unaware of that, should of Googled his stats prior to making that statement. Nonetheless, I think we can agree that Garcon looked more smoother and capable with Manning throwing him the ball (well I guess you can say that about ANY WR who goes from Manning to Collins/Painter/Dan-O).

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The only silver lining in the Cousins pick is that it might be the one that gets Shanny fired. Who drafts someone for future trade bait following back to back last place finishes with 6 and 5 wins (except Casserly)? I think with 5 seasons in a row without a playoff birth (last 3 in Denver, 2 in Wash) Shanny may now hold the title of longest playoff drought by a current coach. Difference is that Snyder isn't McNair who was comfortable with a 10 year plan.

Agreed. I had a long discussion in NFL General about this. With the likes of Alameda Ta'amu, Joe Adams, Keyshawn Martin and RGIIs C in Phillip Blake still sitting on the board, and with the Redskins with some critical holes on the team - such as NT, C and WR - they opted to bring in a 2nd QB, even after they traded the house and Kyle Shanny's firstborn son for RGIII. There is a time to draft a backup QB, and that time isn't now for the Shanny cartel.

Worst pick in the draft, by a country mile. Even worse than Bruce Irvin at 15 (which ain't THAT bad...)

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I just don't understand why teams continue to move mountains to draft QBs so high, then surround them with nothing but mediocrity at WR. You would think that Cam with S. Smith, Dalton with AJ Green, Stafford with C. Johnson would have taught these guys something vs. the crap around Gabbert, Bradford, and McCoy. Say what you will about the Colts defense, at least they gave Luck a bevy of weapons to start with and fix the defense next year.

Agreed. What makes it worse is that when the 'skins see the after effects and have a top five selection next year, they will have to sit and watch the Rams select Robert Woods at #5 instead of them.

Just a poor, poor choice.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacoby signed with the Ravens according to Bernard Pollard's twitter. Interesting.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jacoby signed with the Ravens according to Bernard Pollard's twitter. Interesting.


He did play for 'em last year and all...
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jacoby signed with the Ravens according to Bernard Pollard's twitter. Interesting.

He got 2 years 7 million, so really it works out for the best for both sides.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EliteTexan80 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Jacoby signed with the Ravens according to Bernard Pollard's twitter. Interesting.


He did play for 'em last year and all...


I see what you did there.... Laughing Wink Dancing
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Jacoby signed with the Ravens according to Bernard Pollard's twitter. Interesting.

He got 2 years 7 million, so really it works out for the best for both sides.


Kinda high for him. Do they see him as competition for Torrey Smith and the #2 job? An eventual replacement for Anquan Boldin?

Nonetheless, good to see him latch onto somewhere else. I really had Washington or Oakland as the landing spots. Oh well, win some...lose some.
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I think it's probably a good match for him. Jacoby was not developing into a #2 for us, and now he gets to go to Baltimore with a QB that is able to throw more deep balls. Speed has always been Jacoby's forte, so he may end up getting targeted a few times a game, even as the third option on offense.
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I think it's probably a good match for him. Jacoby was not developing into a #2 for us, and now he gets to go to Baltimore with a QB that is able to throw more deep balls. Speed has always been Jacoby's forte, so he may end up getting targeted a few times a game, even as the third option on offense.


That was always the misconception with him as he was never a blazer like Mathis. Jacoby has 4.5 speed but was slow off the line and really only excelled at leaping catches but poor route running and dropping easy passes more than discounted the occassional spectacular catch. Freaking Joel Dreesen and James Casey were vertical threats in this offense which has far more to do with quality play action and the attention AJ gets than their speed. He is being brought in to improve their return game that has stunk since Yamon Figurs fell out of favor. They may use him a bit more in the passing game than Figures, but Balt doesn't feature a #3 much since they use 2 TE attack so often and throw to Rice all the time.

Personally I would love nothing more than have Flacco actually count on Jacoby for critical catches as if Lee Evans didn't teach them anything about QB killers. I can't wait for Baltimore fans to start screaming at Cam Cameron for throwing to Jacoby on 3rd and 2 instead of running Ray Rice. Jacoby will impress them for a while with punt return skills, but then they will realize that an extra 4-5 yards in returns isn't a very good ROI when the game losing fumble inevitably burns them.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Side note: We play the Ravens at home this year. Hum

As for Jacoby, I wish him well with the Ravens, but If I were a Ravens fan I wouldnt get my hopes up. Sure he is an upgrade at whatever they had as a punt returner, but if he couldnt catch balls from a good QB in Schaub, a guy who doesnt have the strongest of arms, I don't see how he will be any better with an average QB in Flacco, a guy who has a stronger arm than Schaub.
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jch1911 wrote:
EliteTexan80 wrote:
CAS22 wrote:
Jacoby signed with the Ravens according to Bernard Pollard's twitter. Interesting.


He did play for 'em last year and all...


I see what you did there.... :lol: :wink: \:D/


I want the NFL to investigate this. Obvious tampering, right? He was already on their team last year!
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Side note: We play the Ravens at home this year. Hum.


Last year, Vonta Leach got two goal line carries against the Texans in the regular season game, in some attempt to "stick it" to Houston for not re-upping the FB. I'm willing to bet dimes to dollars that they're going to try to get the ball to Jacoby on a long TD pass, in the same vein.

If Jones catches a 50+ TD pass over Kareem Jackson - the city of Houston might implode.
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