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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At this point in our rebuilding process, and at our likely position around the middle of the round, I think the most logical way to go is to draft BPA.

In the 1st, thats likely someone like Chance Warmack.


I wouldnt take a chance on a first round guard, just not good value there. It isnt a real valuable position, one that requires using a first round pick. Looking across the league, there really havent been many great OGs that were first round picks. I consider it probably the least valuable position to spend a first round pick on.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
Klomp wrote:
At this point in our rebuilding process, and at our likely position around the middle of the round, I think the most logical way to go is to draft BPA.

In the 1st, thats likely someone like Chance Warmack.


I wouldnt take a chance on a first round guard, just not good value there. It isnt a real valuable position, one that requires using a first round pick. Looking across the league, there really havent been many great OGs that were first round picks. I consider it probably the least valuable position to spend a first round pick on.


I rather take a more skilled position.
We just spent a 1st rounder on the O-Line, and if we dip into the 15th pick range I would prefer we didnt use it on a OG.

I rather go with NT/DT, ILB, WR
These 3 (non-QB) position are our 3 biggest weaknesses.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For guard, I would push really hard to sign Buffalo's FA guard.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
Klomp wrote:
At this point in our rebuilding process, and at our likely position around the middle of the round, I think the most logical way to go is to draft BPA.

In the 1st, thats likely someone like Chance Warmack.


I wouldnt take a chance on a first round guard, just not good value there. It isnt a real valuable position, one that requires using a first round pick. Looking across the league, there really havent been many great OGs that were first round picks. I consider it probably the least valuable position to spend a first round pick on.


I just think solidifying our offensive line would help solve many of our problems on offense. The only other position on offense I'd really look at is WR, but I'm not really a fan of anyone that will likely be on the board.

Defensively, its wide open as I think we need to upgrade at DT, LB and CB, but all of those positions have depth that we can take advantage of, much like how we waited at CB for the 3rd last year or waited until the 4th for WR.
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Today, I will guarantee you that 3 QBs will NOT be the first 3 picks of the 2014 NFL Draft, nor will there be 3 QBs taken in the Top 10.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking back, I'm still amazed at how last year we added cornerstones in each of the three phases of the game.

Offense: Matt Kalil
Defense: Harrison Smith
Special Teams: Blair Walsh
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Today, I will guarantee you that 3 QBs will NOT be the first 3 picks of the 2014 NFL Draft, nor will there be 3 QBs taken in the Top 10.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
Looking back, I'm still amazed at how last year we added cornerstones in each of the three phases of the game.

Offense: Matt Kalil
Defense: Harrison Smith
Special Teams: Blair Walsh

throw in Josh Robinson as a starting CB, Jarius Wright as a #3 WR and Rhett Ellison as a #2 TE and this is looking to be a great draft. can't do much better than that.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possible 3rd and 4th round starters...
Larry Warford
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTVRFZiNhhU
Shawn Williams and Bacarri Rambo - Excellent video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8cdUwCXSIs
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[UMN] wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Looking back, I'm still amazed at how last year we added cornerstones in each of the three phases of the game.

Offense: Matt Kalil
Defense: Harrison Smith
Special Teams: Blair Walsh

throw in Josh Robinson as a starting CB, Jarius Wright as a #3 WR and Rhett Ellison as a #2 TE and this is looking to be a great draft. can't do much better than that.


It was a very good to great draft, agreed.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[UMN] wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Looking back, I'm still amazed at how last year we added cornerstones in each of the three phases of the game.

Offense: Matt Kalil
Defense: Harrison Smith
Special Teams: Blair Walsh

throw in Josh Robinson as a starting CB, Jarius Wright as a #3 WR and Rhett Ellison as a #2 TE and this is looking to be a great draft. can't do much better than that.

I think Rick did an amazing job last year in the draft. He isn't getting enough credit for hitting on so many guys. Kalil, Smith, Robinson, Wright, Ellison, Walsh are all looking like great picks. Had Childs not gotten hurt again, he may have been the steal of the draft and only made Rick look like more of a genius(may be over the top). If Childs comes back healthy and Cole sees the field in the future and ends up being a solid starter, this draft top to bottom is the best we've had in a long time. Time will tell, but I like it.
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Sloppy28 wrote:
[UMN] wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Looking back, I'm still amazed at how last year we added cornerstones in each of the three phases of the game.

Offense: Matt Kalil
Defense: Harrison Smith
Special Teams: Blair Walsh

throw in Josh Robinson as a starting CB, Jarius Wright as a #3 WR and Rhett Ellison as a #2 TE and this is looking to be a great draft. can't do much better than that.

I think Rick did an amazing job last year in the draft. He isn't getting enough credit for hitting on so many guys. Kalil, Smith, Robinson, Wright, Ellison, Walsh are all looking like great picks. Had Childs not gotten hurt again, he may have been the steal of the draft and only made Rick look like more of a genius(may be over the top). If Childs comes back healthy and Cole sees the field in the future and ends up being a solid starter, this draft top to bottom is the best we've had in a long time. Time will tell, but I like it.


Yup, which is why I'm not buying the "if Frazier gets canned, Spielman should to.". Spielman has done a great job evaluating prospects and is safe as GM.

I like Spielman's eye for talent. The fact that he didn't have to evaluate Harrison Smith after the Senior Bowl says a lot about his potential. He knew right then that he was going to be the real deal. Then went on to add the rest of the class.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read somewhere that Spielman writes huge binders about draft prospects, like 500 pages or something like that. He really loves the draft.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zephiel wrote:
I read somewhere that Spielman writes huge binders about draft prospects, like 500 pages or something like that. He really loves the draft.


Maybe he should devote a similar amount of attention on potential free agents. The drafts really have been strong the past two years, lots of contributing players all over the draft.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With Spielman's penchant to drafting players from Arkansas, does anyone think there's a strong chance that we draft Tyler Wilson?

Looking at where we are set to be picking, it looks like Wilson might be the best player on the board, and with the complete disaster that Ponder has become, this team needs to find a quarterback.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LostRoadStone wrote:
With Spielman's penchant to drafting players from Arkansas, does anyone think there's a strong chance that we draft Tyler Wilson?

Looking at where we are set to be picking, it looks like Wilson might be the best player on the board, and with the complete disaster that Ponder has become, this team needs to find a quarterback.

If we're drafting a QB, I'd like it to be Wilson or Landry Jones.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LostRoadStone wrote:
With Spielman's penchant to drafting players from Arkansas, does anyone think there's a strong chance that we draft Tyler Wilson?

Looking at where we are set to be picking, it looks like Wilson might be the best player on the board, and with the complete disaster that Ponder has become, this team needs to find a quarterback.


Cobi Hamilton and Alvin Bailey are probably much more likely if you are going to play the Arkansas angle.
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