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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

None of the QB's in this draft class scream "franchise QB"
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Updated TOP 5 of guys I want in between the 10-15 spot. This is where I think we will be drafting, and guys I think who will be available still....

#1) Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama*
#2) Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
#3) Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
#4) C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama
#5) John Jenkins, DT, Georgia

* CB isn't a top priority, but if Milliner is still there at 10, no way am I passing up on him. He is a special player. I think he will be an elite CB in the NFL.

***Waiting to see how Keenan Allen recovers.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its tough, because we have so many needs, and the draft is deep at so many positions. A part of me hopes we do like we did last year, trading back up into the late 1st for a second high-level pick. At the same time, I realize if people might be hesitant considering we do have so many holes. Or, we could trade back from the 10-15 range into the 20s, and pick up additional picks.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
Its tough, because we have so many needs, and the draft is deep at so many positions. A part of me hopes we do like we did last year, trading back up into the late 1st for a second high-level pick. At the same time, I realize if people might be hesitant considering we do have so many holes. Or, we could trade back from the 10-15 range into the 20s, and pick up additional picks.


Personally, I'd rather trade back to the 20-25 range and pick up an extra pick, then pair that up with a different pick to trade back up into the 1st,2nd, or 3rd for a player that the coaches really like. Plenty of great players in the 20-25 range that fills needs for us.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anyone else just pissed off watching this team of back-ups from the Eagles beat up on the Cowboys? I wish we had the coaches to pick out late-round talent that can contribute like the Eagles are doing right now.. Young guys making a huge impact tonight in the game. Nick Foles has already improved leaps and bounds.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpmwr19 wrote:
None of the QB's in this draft class scream "franchise QB"


I agree. Outside of Luck and Griffen III (which IMO weren't worth the price to move up for this organization), the past 3 years or so, no QB has really screamed franchise QB. There are some solid starters like Dalton, Bradford but not franchise QBs
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpmwr19 wrote:
None of the QB's in this draft class scream "franchise QB"


I'm doubtful he'll declare this year, but I think AJ McCarron would be the best pro of them all.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:


I'm doubtful he'll declare this year, but I think AJ McCarron would be the best pro of them all.


This might actually be true, and after watching the Alabama - Georgia game, it is an incredibly sad statement about this QB class.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top 5 QB's:

1. Geno Smith: He's what people want in a QB, he has put up good numbers and can pass but is also a mobile QB, he should be the first QB off the board and possibly the #1 overall pick, definitely not as good as the top two QB's last year, but he is on par with the production/upside of QB's taken #1 overall previous years for better or worse.
Top 10

2. Tyler Wilson: Arkansas had a poor year, and Wilson missed time, but he has a good live arm and isn't afraid to throw the ball a lot, and seems to have a short memory when it comes to plays that could be considered bad. And he pressed at time which hurt his numbers this year, but when you go from being in top 25 to losing 8, it is understandable, and most of that wasn't on him.
Top 20

3. Tajh Boyd: The Clemson QB isn't normally the next one you would see on the list, but he fits the mold of what teams are looking for, a bit short at only 6'1", but he's very mobile and has had a good season passing the ball. He's one of those immediate impact rookie QB's even if they aren't a long term impact like Cam Newton isn't in year two, people will take not of him and he'll bring people to the stadium.
1st-2nd

4: Tyler Bray: Big size, good arm, questionable decision making this year, he seemed like a first round lock prior to the year, but his stock has dropped a lot. He is like Brock Oswieler last year, someone with a lot of talent and who can make a major impact in two years after he's had time to learn.
1st - 2nd

5: Landry Jones: He is polished and what you see is what you get, there isn't a ton of upside, but he probably will be a starting QB in the NFL in a year or two. Good size, mobile, goes through progressions, just doesn't have the wow factor that some of the other QB's do.
2nd

Top 5 RB's:

Giovanni Bernard: Small and strong, with a good nose for the end zone. He has solid speed and punt return ability as well. He's the top RB in my opinion in what is a very weak runningback class, especially with the Marcus Lattimore injury.
2nd

Joseph Randle: Good size and solid running ability, another what you see if what you get sort of player with some polish already for picking up blitzes, will be able to step onto a team immediately and play, just like the rest of the running backs, nothing screams major impact player.
2nd

Mike Gillislee: Small, light, fast, decent power for his size, or maybe more so than power, toughness for his size. Played hurt this year managed to put up solid numbers still. Again, nothing very special to say about him, just solid.
2nd-3rd

Stepfan Taylor: Another solid all around back, solid hands, solid running ability, less flaws in his game than most rookie RB's, but nothing that stands out as amazing.
2nd-3rd

Andre Ellington: He was pretty explosive in the Clemson offense, but he is a bit undersized, and he won't be as explosive in the NFL. Solid player who will be good for spelling other RB's in the NFL, but probably not a long term starting option in the NFL.

Top 5 WR's:

Keenan Allen: I think he's the best prospect for sure, put up great numbers until he was hurt. He also put up solid numbers with just okay QB play. He is big and has solid speed and punt return ability, in a deep WR class, he is the top one by a little ways, should go in the top half of round one.
Top 15

Justin Hunter: Big, physical, fast, coming off a knee injury last season. He could end up being the biggest impact player, and he wasn't able to showcase that with the injury slowing him down from the previous year, and inconsistent play by Bray. I still like him a lot and see him as an impact first round WR.
Top 25

DeAndre Hopkins: Good size, good speed, made lots of plays this last season. I like him a lot as a WR, because of his speed size combo compared to some of the smaller faster WR's or bigger slower ones. Hopkins is someone who came on when he was the #2 and had to step up to be the #1 when Sammy Watkins was suspended.
1st-2nd

Terrance Williams: Big productive WR, but lacking a bit in speed, he can stretch the field and go up and get the ball but isn't necessarily going to run by anyone especially at the NFL level. He could easily be a first round WR though for a team that is looking for that down the field/red zone jump ball ability.
1st-2nd

Robert Woods: Slot WR type, solid speed, shifty, but isn't the deep big play threat. I don't love him at the next level even though some of his down/less explosive play this year came from an ankle injury, but for someone who was supposed to be the #1 WR and top 10, he has dropped a long ways and hasn't been explosive.
2nd

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpmwr19 wrote:
None of the QB's in this draft class scream "franchise QB"


Yeah, the class is just a notch better than the 07 class, headlined by Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn. Their isn't a whole lot available via free agency either, unless Flacco is allowed to walk. Similar to Schaub in 2007, I think Ryan Mallett will be the hot commodity for the QB needy teams. Schaub only started 1 game the year he was traded, so Mallett's lack of tape shouldn't hold him back. His only knocks coming out were mobility and character, he's been clean since entering the league. Just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lil Uno wrote:
rpmwr19 wrote:
None of the QB's in this draft class scream "franchise QB"


Yeah, the class is just a notch better than the 07 class, headlined by Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn. Their isn't a whole lot available via free agency either, unless Flacco is allowed to walk. Similar to Schaub in 2007, I think Ryan Mallett will be the hot commodity for the QB needy teams. Schaub only started 1 game the year he was traded, so Mallett's lack of tape shouldn't hold him back. His only knocks coming out were mobility and character, he's been clean since entering the league. Just my opinion.


I agree. I was a Mallet guy when he came out. However, I doubt New England lets him go. Brady is 35 - having a QB ready to step right in when he hangs it up sounds like a Belichick move.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Current 2013 NFL Draft order – 12/3/12
With just four weeks to go in the 2012 NFL season, it’s likely going to go down to the last week of the season to see who will own the No. 1 overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft. The current draft order is below along with the tiebreaker, which is opponent’s win/loss record:

1. Kansas City – 2-10 (.505)
2. Jacksonville – 2-10 (.552)
3. Oakland – 3-9 (.464)
4. Philadelphia – 3-9 (.510)
5. Carolina – 3-9 (.516)
6. San Diego – 4-8 (.484)
7. Cleveland – 4-8 (.516)
8. Tennessee – 4-8 (.536)
9. Arizona – 4-8 (.552)
10. Detroit – 4-8 (.563)
11. Buffalo – 5-7 (.490)
12. New Orleans – 5-7 (.503)
13. Miami – 5-7 (.510)
14. New York Jets – 5-7 (.516)
15. St. Louis – 5-6-1 (.526)
16. Tampa Bay – 6-6 (.466)
17. St. Louis (from Washington) – 6-6 (.497)
18. Dallas – 6-6 (.516)
19. Minnesota – 6-6 (.531)
20. Cincinnati – 7-5 (.453)
21. Pittsburgh – 7-5 (.464)
22. Seattle – 7-5 (.495)
23. New York Giants – 7-5 (.513)
24. Indianapolis – 8-4 (.469)
25. Chicago – 8-4 (.495)
26. Green Bay – 8-4 (.510)
27. San Francisco – 8-3-1 (.495)
28. Denver – 9-3 (.448)
29. Baltimore – 9-3 (.500)
30. New England – 9-3 (.510)
31. Atlanta – 11-1 (.396)
32. Houston – 11-1 (.500)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
Current 2013 NFL Draft order – 12/3/12
With just four weeks to go in the 2012 NFL season, it’s likely going to go down to the last week of the season to see who will own the No. 1 overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft. The current draft order is below along with the tiebreaker, which is opponent’s win/loss record:

1. Kansas City – 2-10 (.505)
2. Jacksonville – 2-10 (.552)
3. Oakland – 3-9 (.464)
4. Philadelphia – 3-9 (.510)
5. Carolina – 3-9 (.516)
6. San Diego – 4-8 (.484)
7. Cleveland – 4-8 (.516)
8. Tennessee – 4-8 (.536)
9. Arizona – 4-8 (.552)
10. Detroit – 4-8 (.563)
11. Buffalo – 5-7 (.490)
12. New Orleans – 5-7 (.503)
13. Miami – 5-7 (.510)
14. New York Jets – 5-7 (.516)
15. St. Louis – 5-6-1 (.526)
16. Tampa Bay – 6-6 (.466)
17. St. Louis (from Washington) – 6-6 (.497)
18. Dallas – 6-6 (.516)
19. Minnesota – 6-6 (.531)
20. Cincinnati – 7-5 (.453)
21. Pittsburgh – 7-5 (.464)
22. Seattle – 7-5 (.495)
23. New York Giants – 7-5 (.513)
24. Indianapolis – 8-4 (.469)
25. Chicago – 8-4 (.495)
26. Green Bay – 8-4 (.510)
27. San Francisco – 8-3-1 (.495)
28. Denver – 9-3 (.448)
29. Baltimore – 9-3 (.500)
30. New England – 9-3 (.510)
31. Atlanta – 11-1 (.396)
32. Houston – 11-1 (.500)


I think we'll finish with a top 15 pick.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vikefan79 wrote:
I think we'll finish with a top 15 pick.


Don't forget about the tiebreaker factor.

There are only four teams we currently would hold the SOS tiebreaker over: Arizona, Detroit, Jacksonville and Tennessee. All of those teams are at least two games behind us, and we are unlikely to be in any ties with them. Add in our remaining schedule, and the SOS will only rise, even if we win some of the games.

Additionally, I'm not sure that many of the teams below us in records can pass us, except for maybe one or two.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Wilson slips into the 2nd round, does Minnesota jump at the opportunity?
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