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Adrenaline_Flux
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Like I've said before, if his career is limited to 6 years, but he plays like Von Miller or one of the best during that time, I'm fine with taking him. I'm usually really cautious with these kind of things, but with him I don't care about it. I think he can be a special player.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Like I've said before, if his career is limited to 6 years, but he plays like Von Miller or one of the best during that time, I'm fine with taking him. I'm usually really cautious with these kind of things, but with him I don't care about it. I think he can be a special player. |
I would be fine with 6 years. But from what I understand one hit / one awkward landing and his career is OVER. With this teams history I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| sadjag wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Like I've said before, if his career is limited to 6 years, but he plays like Von Miller or one of the best during that time, I'm fine with taking him. I'm usually really cautious with these kind of things, but with him I don't care about it. I think he can be a special player. |
I would be fine with 6 years. But from what I understand one hit / one awkward landing and his career is OVER. With this teams history I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. |
That could be said with any player though, regardless of their medical conditions.
All the guys that become injury prone here had no injury issues before. MAYBE THE OPPOSITE WOULD BE TRUE TOO.
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| Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Like I've said before, if his career is limited to 6 years, but he plays like Von Miller or one of the best during that time, I'm fine with taking him. I'm usually really cautious with these kind of things, but with him I don't care about it. I think he can be a special player. |
I really don't know where i stand on him. On the one hand, you're absolutely right. If i had a guarantee of 6 years of Von Miller-level production...I'm in. And as a prospect on the field, Jarvis Jones is just drool-worthy. He could absolutely be a special player and it would radically alter the dynamic of our defense.
But from what i understand, it might be more than just a potentially shortened career-span. It could be that, or it could be the sort of thing where he could be forced to retire or end up in a wheelchair before halftime of his first game as a Jaguar. It seems very precarious. It's encouraging that he seems to have been largely trouble-free in Georgia, but it's still a scary thing, both for Jones personally...and for a team drafting him top-5/10.
It's an extremely tricky situation. And if i were a GM, i'd be having a lot of very thorough conversations with a lot of different specialist doctors. I'd also be very curious in how Jones/His agent handle the situation in terms of providing medical records, etc. for inquiring teams as the draft process moves along. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Tugboat wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Like I've said before, if his career is limited to 6 years, but he plays like Von Miller or one of the best during that time, I'm fine with taking him. I'm usually really cautious with these kind of things, but with him I don't care about it. I think he can be a special player. |
I really don't know where i stand on him. On the one hand, you're absolutely right. If i had a guarantee of 6 years of Von Miller-level production...I'm in. And as a prospect on the field, Jarvis Jones is just drool-worthy. He could absolutely be a special player and it would radically alter the dynamic of our defense.
But from what i understand, it might be more than just a potentially shortened career-span. It could be that, or it could be the sort of thing where he could be forced to retire or end up in a wheelchair before halftime of his first game as a Jaguar. It seems very precarious. It's encouraging that he seems to have been largely trouble-free in Georgia, but it's still a scary thing, both for Jones personally...and for a team drafting him top-5/10.
It's an extremely tricky situation. And if i were a GM, i'd be having a lot of very thorough conversations with a lot of different specialist doctors. I'd also be very curious in how Jones/His agent handle the situation in terms of providing medical records, etc. for inquiring teams as the draft process moves along. |
Marcus McNeill played 6 years with it. Chris Samuels played a decade with it. Cooper Manning never had a career because of it.
David Pollack didn't have it and his career was ended with a broken vertebrae early in his second year in the NFL.
What this comes down to is one simple question: do you feel that Jarvis Jones' projected production and potential is valuable enough to override a potentially short career? When it came to someone like Bowers, I said no because I was iffy on him to begin with and his injury seemed more likely to bring about issues. Though Samuels struggled with it during his career, he didn't miss many games for about 9 seasons and played at a high level. With the lack of elite prospects near the top and the possible immediate impact he would have and his impact he would have if he were to have a long career just seems like a no-brainer to me.
All that said, I understand the mindset with not taking him. Prospects are going to be overanalyzed and are going to rise and fall due to even the smallest of reasons. Additionally, I think it helps that there is a guy like Star in the draft at DT and a lot of guys with a lot of potential at DE that if we feel like Jarvis' concerns are too much at #2 and we can't trade down that there should be another guy there worthy of the selection.
At this point in time though, like I have alluded to before, I'm not sure if we do end up with the #2 pick. Even before Henne stepped in and before the game Sunday, I wondered that because of how much easier the schedule is for us over the second half of the season compared to the first half of the season. A lot of winnable games and I truly do believe that the early struggles against good teams was good for us (obviously not record or morale-wise, but competition is always good) and I think we saw some of that against the Titans. Then again, the Titans are also just kind of bad. But hey, we play them again and we play teams in the underbelly of the AFC East. Only game that really isn't too winnable the rest of the way is the... uhh... belly... of the AFC East... the Patriots game.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think looking beyond 4 or 5 years when drafting a player makes sense.
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As difficult as it is to get info out of the org these days, I have heard (reliably) that the #Chiefs may prefer Tyler Wilson to Geno Smith. |
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| Its A Sabotage wrote: | | Quote: | @NFLDraftMonster
As difficult as it is to get info out of the org these days, I have heard (reliably) that the #Chiefs may prefer Tyler Wilson to Geno Smith. |
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Boy, that could shake up a lot of things.
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| iPwn wrote: | | Its A Sabotage wrote: | | Quote: | @NFLDraftMonster
As difficult as it is to get info out of the org these days, I have heard (reliably) that the #Chiefs may prefer Tyler Wilson to Geno Smith. |
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Boy, that could shake up a lot of things. |
NFLDM knows QBs and he knows the Chiefs and Razorbacks (funny actually), I know it is early, and i know you don't trust anything that comes out about the draft, but I have to believe this.
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If that's the case, even if we win a few games, we could still find ourselves in position to get Geno. The Raiders are really the only team that would be picking early that doesn't have their wagons hitched to a young (well rookie in the case of the Browns) QB that they think can be the guy.
All of this barring a trade, of course.
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| iPwn wrote: | If that's the case, even if we win a few games, we could still find ourselves in position to get Geno. The Raiders are really the only team that would be picking early that doesn't have their wagons hitched to a young (well rookie in the case of the Browns) QB that they think can be the guy.
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Well, on top of that, the rumor going on in draft circles, is Geno and Tyler are the only potential QBs to go in the first, and some think both could fall to the middle to late first...I mean they won't Kansas City needs a QB, and can't keep waiting, and if they get Chip, they strike it rich...It is going to be interesting...I know some that have overall board Geno and Tyler in the top-5, others have neither ranked in the 32.
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| Its A Sabotage wrote: | | iPwn wrote: | If that's the case, even if we win a few games, we could still find ourselves in position to get Geno. The Raiders are really the only team that would be picking early that doesn't have their wagons hitched to a young (well rookie in the case of the Browns) QB that they think can be the guy.
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Well, on top of that, the rumor going on in draft circles, is Geno and Tyler are the only potential QBs to go in the first, and some think both could fall to the middle to late first...I mean they won't Kansas City needs a QB, and can't keep waiting, and if they get Chip, they strike it rich...It is going to be interesting...I know some that have overall board Geno and Tyler in the top-5, others have neither ranked in the 32. |
That it is.
The last few years, we knew that our pick would be one of a few select positions. This year, our first round pick could literally be any position except a WR.
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| iPwn wrote: | | Its A Sabotage wrote: | | iPwn wrote: | If that's the case, even if we win a few games, we could still find ourselves in position to get Geno. The Raiders are really the only team that would be picking early that doesn't have their wagons hitched to a young (well rookie in the case of the Browns) QB that they think can be the guy.
All of this barring a trade, of course. |
Well, on top of that, the rumor going on in draft circles, is Geno and Tyler are the only potential QBs to go in the first, and some think both could fall to the middle to late first...I mean they won't Kansas City needs a QB, and can't keep waiting, and if they get Chip, they strike it rich...It is going to be interesting...I know some that have overall board Geno and Tyler in the top-5, others have neither ranked in the 32. |
That it is.
The last few years, we knew that our pick would be one of a few select positions. This year, our first round pick could literally be any position except a WR. |
I honestly wouldn't even rule that out. Shad wants to go vertical, whats going to happen when Justin Hunter who should be full strength runs a 4.4 40 and sets records in the jumps, while showing off elite cuts and ankles (hell I would throw Cordarrelle Patterson in there too, he is probably better now then Hunter with more speed, height, and big play ability).
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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I think Patterson is the better Vols WR.
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| Mr. V wrote: | | I think Patterson is the better Vols WR. |
Also have to remember Hunter isn't back 100% from that gross knee injury yet either.
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