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SteelKing728
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| JDBrocks wrote: | He's got very big hands, a great vertical, and great body control. I think that he is going to surprise people with is route running. He really sells his route well at the line of scrimmage.
The best part is that he never gives up on a route, and always comes back to the QB. Watching his 2010 tape was fun because he was the guy that bailed out his QB more often than not.
I really hope that Ponder can develop that Favre/Rice style chemistry with Childs, and use cadence to draw offside penalties. One of my favorite memories from 2009 was watching Favre draw the offsides and chuck it up to Sidney Rice. Childs seems like he could do some of the same things. |
Ponder is a really smart guy. It wouldn't surprise me if he started using a hard count more often, and If Childs looks like what we are hyping him to be, it will once again be very effective. I guess the hard count only works when you have legit WRs who can make plays down the field (like Rice).
I love hearing Childs is a good route runner. Too many times you see big guys be very sloopy route runners, which is why it takes them so long to develop. If this isn't a problem for Childs, he could have an impact week 1.
My concern is the fact that he fell so far. Are teams still scared by the injury he had? Broyles seemed much worse and he was selected in the 2nd round this year.
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I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with Childs. The knock on him is that he's slow-footed and will have trouble gaining separation at the NFL level. Even in college he put up all his big numbers with the rocket-armed Ryan Mallett at QB.
My guess is that he will be a situational 3rd-and-10 or Red Zone guy.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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I like hearing that he's a good downfield blocker! Keeping guys off of Peterson/Gerhart in the open field is a great plus to have.
So, I don't remember watching too many Arkansas games over the last few years, but from what I'm hearing from the descriptions offered, Greg Childs is pretty much the Anti-Berrian!!!  |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| milanb wrote: | I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with Childs. The knock on him is that he's slow-footed and will have trouble gaining separation at the NFL level. Even in college he put up all his big numbers with the rocket-armed Ryan Mallett at QB.
My guess is that he will be a situational 3rd-and-10 or Red Zone guy.
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I'm not sure where the "good route runner" thing is coming from. Admittedly I only watched his highlights, but they all seemed to be slants or nine routes.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| milanb wrote: | | I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with Childs. The knock on him is that he's slow-footed and will have trouble gaining separation at the NFL level. Even in college he put up all his big numbers with the rocket-armed Ryan Mallett at QB. |
Most of those scouting reports are from this past season, when Childs came back too soon from his injury. Look back at his 2010 season tape.
He ran a 4.4 40. Since when has that been considered slow-footed? |
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milanb
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| Klomp wrote: | | milanb wrote: | | I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with Childs. The knock on him is that he's slow-footed and will have trouble gaining separation at the NFL level. Even in college he put up all his big numbers with the rocket-armed Ryan Mallett at QB. |
Most of those scouting reports are from this past season, when Childs came back too soon from his injury. Look back at his 2010 season tape.
He ran a 4.4 40. Since when has that been considered slow-footed? |
He ran a 4.55 at the Combine.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/greg-childs?id=2533334
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| milanb wrote: | | Klomp wrote: | | milanb wrote: | | I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with Childs. The knock on him is that he's slow-footed and will have trouble gaining separation at the NFL level. Even in college he put up all his big numbers with the rocket-armed Ryan Mallett at QB. |
Most of those scouting reports are from this past season, when Childs came back too soon from his injury. Look back at his 2010 season tape.
He ran a 4.4 40. Since when has that been considered slow-footed? |
He ran a 4.55 at the Combine.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/greg-childs?id=2533334 |
Yeah, but he supposedly wasnt 100% then. He beasted at his pro day running a 4.4 40 and jumping a 40' vertical.
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Living in Arkansas and being a Vikes fan, this draft was quite a treat for me. I had mocked Adams and Childs in the fourth, but we got Wright instead. Wright will surprise you next year. The kid is very polished and has speed to burn. They both played in a complex pro style offense and shouldn't have much of a learning curve when it comes to learning at the nfl level.
Whoever thinks Childs is slow footed simply didn't watch him play his sophomore and junior season before the injury. But this kid wants to be great, and all the talk will only make him more focused.
Mark it down. 3 years from now Childs will be talked about as the best WR in this draft and we will have 2 of the top 5 WR to come out of the draft.
If you don't believe me about childs just ask Janoris Jenkins after he got torched by childs when childs was a sophomore. The same can't be said for Green or Julio Jones. Jenkins owned them. |
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| Eric dunn wrote: | | milanb wrote: | | Klomp wrote: | | milanb wrote: | | I'm taking a wait-and-see approach with Childs. The knock on him is that he's slow-footed and will have trouble gaining separation at the NFL level. Even in college he put up all his big numbers with the rocket-armed Ryan Mallett at QB. |
Most of those scouting reports are from this past season, when Childs came back too soon from his injury. Look back at his 2010 season tape.
He ran a 4.4 40. Since when has that been considered slow-footed? |
He ran a 4.55 at the Combine.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/greg-childs?id=2533334 |
Yeah, but he supposedly wasnt 100% then. He beasted at his pro day running a 4.4 40 and jumping a 40' vertical. |
It is hard to ignore the improvement in the vertical jump. With the 40 times they can be written off due to the running surface, wind, different timers... but you can't really ignore someone being able to add 4 inches on their vertical in about a month. That to me says that his Pro-Day was legit. |
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Eric dunn
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Yeah, the vertical was a sign that Greg is 100%.
But you wanna know who else ran a 4.55 at the combine? Brandon Marshall, and i think he turned out just fine.
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| BoarBalls wrote: | Living in Arkansas and being a Vikes fan, this draft was quite a treat for me. I had mocked Adams and Childs in the fourth, but we got Wright instead. Wright will surprise you next year. The kid is very polished and has speed to burn. They both played in a complex pro style offense and shouldn't have much of a learning curve when it comes to learning at the nfl level.
Whoever thinks Childs is slow footed simply didn't watch him play his sophomore and junior season before the injury. But this kid wants to be great, and all the talk will only make him more focused.
Mark it down. 3 years from now Childs will be talked about as the best WR in this draft and we will have 2 of the top 5 WR to come out of the draft. |
cool!
hope it's not just ballsy homerism, but i like these guys too.
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| Eric dunn wrote: | Yeah, the vertical was a sign that Greg is 100%.
But you wanna know who else ran a 4.55 at the combine? Brandon Marshall, and i think he turned out just fine. |
Eric, I am also high on Childs and excited to see what he brings to the table, but I have seen this "But [insert successful player's name here] did it" argument countless times on internet forums now and it really is a flimsy argument.
I'm not saying you are the one always doing this or anything of that sort; I enjoy reading your posts. Innumerable posters do it. But guys like Brandon Marshall are the exception, not the rule. Brandon Marshall is a 4.55 guy with good separation skills and excellent ball skills, but most 4.55 guys are not Brandon Marshall.
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | Eric dunn wrote: | Yeah, the vertical was a sign that Greg is 100%.
But you wanna know who else ran a 4.55 at the combine? Brandon Marshall, and i think he turned out just fine. |
Eric, I am also high on Childs and excited to see what he brings to the table, but I have seen this "But [insert successful player's name here] did it" argument countless times on internet forums now and it really is a flimsy argument.
I'm not saying you are the one always doing this or anything of that sort; I enjoy reading your posts. Innumerable posters do it. But guys like Brandon Marshall are the exception, not the rule. Brandon Marshall is a 4.55 guy with good separation skills and excellent ball skills, but most 4.55 guys are not Brandon Marshall. |
I agree, im not saying that he is the next Marshall or anything. But some people that are looking at Greg's 40 and saying ehh i dont know if he has the speed, he ran a 4.55. And im just trying to open some people's eyes that you dont have to run a 4.3-4.4 40 to be a fast football player. There are alot of players who have ran a 4.5 40 and that never held them back from being good. So some of the people who are worried that he may not be fast enough, shouldnt be.
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I really liked Childs throughout the whole draft process. Yes, the injury was/is/can be a concern, but that's probably why he dropped to Rd 4.
As has been stated, he was very productive his sophmore and junior years, with Mallett. So, did he make Mallett, or did Mallett make him?
I believe that was a joint effort and suspect he'll have the same rapport with Ponder (providing the Good Lord smiles on us and Ponder doesn't have to scramble his tail off or take beatings like last year.)
I don't know what everyone else thinks a #1 vs #2 vs #3 receiver is, but I don't think it's a dimensional (size/speed) characterization. Yes, Randy Moss and Brandon Marshall are classifed as #1 receivers, but so are Steve Smith and Anquan Boldin and Andre Johnson. Considering Percy's tenure with the team and his playmaking ability, I'd classify him as the Vike's #1 for 2013, even if he's operating out of the slot primarily.
I predict Childs will step into a role as being the third WR in 3 receiver sets, and when Percy's in the backfield, he'll be out wide as the first or second WR.
Depending on how impressive his training camp is (and if he stays healthy), Childs will supplant Jenkins on the depth chart. |
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| Eric dunn wrote: | | PurpleMugen wrote: | | Eric dunn wrote: | Yeah, the vertical was a sign that Greg is 100%.
But you wanna know who else ran a 4.55 at the combine? Brandon Marshall, and i think he turned out just fine. |
Eric, I am also high on Childs and excited to see what he brings to the table, but I have seen this "But [insert successful player's name here] did it" argument countless times on internet forums now and it really is a flimsy argument.
I'm not saying you are the one always doing this or anything of that sort; I enjoy reading your posts. Innumerable posters do it. But guys like Brandon Marshall are the exception, not the rule. Brandon Marshall is a 4.55 guy with good separation skills and excellent ball skills, but most 4.55 guys are not Brandon Marshall. |
I agree, im not saying that he is the next Marshall or anything. But some people that are looking at Greg's 40 and saying ehh i dont know if he has the speed, he ran a 4.55. And im just trying to open some people's eyes that you dont have to run a 4.3-4.4 40 to be a fast football player. There are alot of players who have ran a 4.5 40 and that never held them back from being good. So some of the people who are worried that he may not be fast enough, shouldnt be. |
Yeah, I'm with you, I think it may not be a major hindrance to him. He has great size as it is, and if he plays physical off the line, I think he can develop into a solid target and his clocked speed times won't prove too much of an issue.
But you see the point I was illustrating, right?
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