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TRADE UP 2nd Round (51): Jerel Worthy, DE, Michigan State
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BartStarving


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PossibleCabbage wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
In truth though, he is saying it's all about PAD LEVEL Jerel......... Laughing


We'll get that fixed.


It's a new "Leverage Drill"; the object is to go under the sled. Worthy, Raji, and Daniels are well equipped for that one. Smile

Seriously, leverage seems to be the theme of this DL. Whether that is by plan or circumstance only Mr. Capers and Co. know. We'll see what unfolds. It's going to be a fun camp on the D side and I'm looking forward to it.
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Hard to say that's not the mold their looking for when you pass on Still for Worthy! Now I for one had Worthy a full two tiers above Still on the board. But if one wanted a different look, Still was fine value by that point. Worthy was a bit of a steal at that point IMO. Hell, like the old man told me. Flip Worthy and Perry and I would have felt TT pulled A+ work draft weekend. Just did not feel that way at the time because of Perry. Had Perry and Worthy in the same tier but would have felt better about Worthy at 28. Fact TT got both means he was spot on when he set his board though.

LIS, I just feel you can do a lot more with Worthy in the Capers zone 30. Still sure would have been a hand full in base though!
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Three years from now this will be TT best draft ever.
(5- starters Perry, Worthy, Hayward, Manning and Datko)
OUTSTANDING !!!!!!!!!!!
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pmikep wrote:
Three years from now this will be TT best draft ever.
(5- starters Perry, Worthy, Hayward, Manning and Datko)
OUTSTANDING !!!!!!!!!!!


Would not shock me if that turns out to be true. Funny class though, would not shock me if Datko turns out to be the best of all of them either.

Perry is clearly the wild card of the group. Worthy, Hayward, and Manning feel the safest for me. But Worthy could be a much different player five years from now, a la Pickett. Hayward might lack the long speed to ever feel great about him playing over the number one. Manning could be a steal, but will view him as fair value if he just excels on the teams unit and brings something to the table in coverage. Same deal with Daniel's, fair value if he excels in his specialist gig.

As I said before, just a different feeling class than the TT norm IMO. For better or worse!
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There are no guarantees with these defensive linemen. Some of them get hurt and stay hurt, some of them just don't adjust to the pros, some of them really tease with potential and some of them stay healthy and deliver.

There just aren't lots and lots of 310 lb fast, strong, agile men out there and if you want to win on Sunday you'd better have some of them on the field for you, so you've got to take a shot on one whenever you can.

Drafting a D-lineman high didn't work out for Jamaal Williams, didn't work for Justin Harrell, might not be working for Neal. But Raji has been an invaluable help on the D-line but he just needs more help over the course of a season and certainly Worthy can help provide that.

Ask yourself this question: If it's 3rd and 7 in big game, who are the four pass rushers you'd want to throw at the QB? We'd probably all agree on Matthews and Perry, but after that there is room for Worthy and/or another one of these rookies to be that 4th guy.

Bottom Line: I think he was a sensible pick at that point in the draft, I hope he stays healthy and plays great. He's got a lot of quick, penetrating ability and a good motor--when not gassed and taking plays off. I think he'll be an immediate contributor and he's in a great situation if he wants to work hard and win.
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I agree, by far the hardest position to evaluate after QB is the DL as far as making the transition to the pro game goes. Just a much different game at the pro level there. Most draft worthy DL have a big skill set lean at the college level. That's not the case in the NFL. Pro lineman also know the angles game, are tech sound, AND HOLD THE HELL OUT OF YA!

Then you take in the bust rate that all players have making the jump. LIS, hard to weed out the players there. Like you said though, DL is one of those spots you need to take a shot high on if you want a difference maker. DL is not as system specific as other spots like WR or RB. More so about weather or not you are just a good damn football player. In that, the talent goes high on draft day.
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pmikep wrote:
Three years from now this will be TT best draft ever.
(5- starters Perry, Worthy, Hayward, Manning and Datko)
OUTSTANDING !!!!!!!!!!!

You don't think McMillian is going to make it? They seem to have high hopes for him.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just watched some of Worthy's highlights. Dang that kids first step off the snap is unreal Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mxr124 wrote:
Just watched some of Worthy's highlights. Dang that kids first step off the snap is unreal Shocked


Especially when he is offsides on half of them Wink
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Hard to say that's not the mold their looking for when you pass on Still for Worthy! Now I for one had Worthy a full two tiers above Still on the board. But if one wanted a different look, Still was fine value by that point. Worthy was a bit of a steal at that point IMO. Hell, like the old man told me. Flip Worthy and Perry and I would have felt TT pulled A+ work draft weekend. Just did not feel that way at the time because of Perry. Had Perry and Worthy in the same tier but would have felt better about Worthy at 28. Fact TT got both means he was spot on when he set his board though.

LIS, I just feel you can do a lot more with Worthy in the Capers zone 30. Still sure would have been a hand full in base though!


Palmy, any chance the Packers opted for Worthy instead of Still partly because they already think they have a viable prototype 5T DE on board in Lawrence Guy? What's your opinion on Guy ... several internet scouting reports had him being a 3rd rounder who needed some time to settle in at the pro level. It seems that guy is a bit of a forgotten man among the Packer fans. Do you think he might make some noise this year?
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Hard to say that's not the mold their looking for when you pass on Still for Worthy! Now I for one had Worthy a full two tiers above Still on the board. But if one wanted a different look, Still was fine value by that point. Worthy was a bit of a steal at that point IMO. Hell, like the old man told me. Flip Worthy and Perry and I would have felt TT pulled A+ work draft weekend. Just did not feel that way at the time because of Perry. Had Perry and Worthy in the same tier but would have felt better about Worthy at 28. Fact TT got both means he was spot on when he set his board though.

LIS, I just feel you can do a lot more with Worthy in the Capers zone 30. Still sure would have been a hand full in base though!


Palmy, any chance the Packers opted for Worthy instead of Still partly because they already think they have a viable prototype 5T DE on board in Lawrence Guy? What's your opinion on Guy ... several internet scouting reports had him being a 3rd rounder who needed some time to settle in at the pro level. It seems that guy is a bit of a forgotten man among the Packer fans. Do you think he might make some noise this year?


Not sure I would have come to that conclusion because of the Still pass. LIS, I had a much higher grade on Worthy. Might even view that thing the other way if they were that high on Still, as has been said.

Maybe though, Guy and Jones both come from the same mold. Not much wrong with Guy physically. His big Red for everyone was the ability to learn/ IQ. Kid has a great body and very strong movement skills for his size. Could get a little stronger at his age also. Man has a habit of playing on the other side of the line as well. Needs some work with those hand so that he can get away from them. But big guys with that much pop off the snap will always get a long look. Has a little nasty in him also. Might make this staff take a second look as well.

Don't sell Jones short in that thing either!
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