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| rabbisson wrote: | | Quote: | | @DPBNE: Told me 2 other teams had 2nd rnd grade on Wilson both AFC teams. One team NE played last season. |
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Alright, so lets really take a look at where Wilson may fit this season.
Top 50 draft pick, to me says he will compete for the starting FS position/play nickel/dime CB. Especially on a team that basically had no starting free safety and fielding one of the worst defensive secondary's, ever. So for me looking at the roster right now, I'd peg everyone here...
CB1 - Devin McCourty
CB2 - Ras-I Dowlong
Nickel - Kyle Arrington
Dime - Sterling Moore/Will Allen
FS - Steve Gregory?/Tavon Wilson/Sergio Brown
SS - Pat Chung
Ras-I and Arrington you can flip back and forth between those CB2/Nickel spots, even McCourty. It will come down to camp battles.
But back to Wilson specifically, I would expect him to be rotational with Gregory, 65/35 type split. Hopefully make a couple big plays this year.
What kind of impact can we hope for him to make as a rookie in this secondary.
42 tacakles
2 incerceptions
2 ff
I'd be fine with that for a rookie year. How bout you guys?
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| Canadian_Patriot wrote: | Alright, so lets really take a look at where Wilson may fit this season.
Top 50 draft pick, to me says he will compete for the starting FS position/play nickel/dime CB. Especially on a team that basically had no starting free safety and fielding one of the worst defensive secondary's, ever. So for me looking at the roster right now, I'd peg everyone here...
CB1 - Devin McCourty
CB2 - Ras-I Dowlong
Nickel - Kyle Arrington
Dime - Sterling Moore/Will Allen
FS - Steve Gregory?/Tavon Wilson/Sergio Brown
SS - Pat Chung
Ras-I and Arrington you can flip back and forth between those CB2/Nickel spots, even McCourty. It will come down to camp battles.
But back to Wilson specifically, I would expect him to be rotational with Gregory, 65/35 type split. Hopefully make a couple big plays this year.
What kind of impact can we hope for him to make as a rookie in this secondary.
42 tacakles
2 incerceptions
2 ff
I'd be fine with that for a rookie year. How bout you guys? |
The quality back there is still very good. i know Courts had a really rough yr and Chung was injured most of it. I think our CBs were really good w/ Courts Ras and Kyle. I also am a big fan of Sterling I think he's better S than brown. I think at this point I'd take Barrett over Brown as a S and a STer. But I have a soft spot for Barrett.
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Ive seen reporter's think that with him there going to let Chung walk. Which would be a huge mistake Chung is a leader, and the qb of the secondary, and make's WR think twice about coming over the middle. We have been waiting for a replacement for Rodney finailly find one that's not even 25 yet, and were just going to let him go i really hope not.
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| rabbisson wrote: | Apparently Tavon Wilson refers to himself in the third person!
This adds to the value of the pick. |
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| NextBigThing wrote: | | rabbisson wrote: | Apparently Tavon Wilson refers to himself in the third person!
This adds to the value of the pick. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| Canadian_Patriot wrote: | Alright, so lets really take a look at where Wilson may fit this season.
Top 50 draft pick, to me says he will compete for the starting FS position/play nickel/dime CB. Especially on a team that basically had no starting free safety and fielding one of the worst defensive secondary's, ever. So for me looking at the roster right now, I'd peg everyone here...
CB1 - Devin McCourty
CB2 - Ras-I Dowlong
Nickel - Kyle Arrington
Dime - Sterling Moore/Will Allen
FS - Steve Gregory?/Tavon Wilson/Sergio Brown
SS - Pat Chung
Ras-I and Arrington you can flip back and forth between those CB2/Nickel spots, even McCourty. It will come down to camp battles.
But back to Wilson specifically, I would expect him to be rotational with Gregory, 65/35 type split. Hopefully make a couple big plays this year.
What kind of impact can we hope for him to make as a rookie in this secondary.
42 tacakles
2 incerceptions
2 ff
I'd be fine with that for a rookie year. How bout you guys? |
I'd be ecstatic. Those are your expectations? Pretty high, don't you think?
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| Troy Brown wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | Alright, so lets really take a look at where Wilson may fit this season.
Top 50 draft pick, to me says he will compete for the starting FS position/play nickel/dime CB. Especially on a team that basically had no starting free safety and fielding one of the worst defensive secondary's, ever. So for me looking at the roster right now, I'd peg everyone here...
CB1 - Devin McCourty
CB2 - Ras-I Dowlong
Nickel - Kyle Arrington
Dime - Sterling Moore/Will Allen
FS - Steve Gregory?/Tavon Wilson/Sergio Brown
SS - Pat Chung
Ras-I and Arrington you can flip back and forth between those CB2/Nickel spots, even McCourty. It will come down to camp battles.
But back to Wilson specifically, I would expect him to be rotational with Gregory, 65/35 type split. Hopefully make a couple big plays this year.
What kind of impact can we hope for him to make as a rookie in this secondary.
42 tacakles
2 incerceptions
2 ff
I'd be fine with that for a rookie year. How bout you guys? |
I'd be ecstatic. Those are your expectations? Pretty high, don't you think? |
48th Overall pick. Which means he's pretty close to a boarder line 1st round talent. I don't think those expectations are lofty at all really. Will depend a lot on snap counts, but like I said, on a team that was as bad as it was last year, I don't see why a fringe 1st round talent can't beat out everyone we played at safety with Chung last year. Which would just leave Gregory for him to share snaps with.
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| Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Troy Brown wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | Alright, so lets really take a look at where Wilson may fit this season.
Top 50 draft pick, to me says he will compete for the starting FS position/play nickel/dime CB. Especially on a team that basically had no starting free safety and fielding one of the worst defensive secondary's, ever. So for me looking at the roster right now, I'd peg everyone here...
CB1 - Devin McCourty
CB2 - Ras-I Dowlong
Nickel - Kyle Arrington
Dime - Sterling Moore/Will Allen
FS - Steve Gregory?/Tavon Wilson/Sergio Brown
SS - Pat Chung
Ras-I and Arrington you can flip back and forth between those CB2/Nickel spots, even McCourty. It will come down to camp battles.
But back to Wilson specifically, I would expect him to be rotational with Gregory, 65/35 type split. Hopefully make a couple big plays this year.
What kind of impact can we hope for him to make as a rookie in this secondary.
42 tacakles
2 incerceptions
2 ff
I'd be fine with that for a rookie year. How bout you guys? |
I'd be ecstatic. Those are your expectations? Pretty high, don't you think? |
48th Overall pick. Which means he's pretty close to a boarder line 1st round talent. I don't think those expectations are lofty at all really. Will depend a lot on snap counts, but like I said, on a team that was as bad as it was last year, I don't see why a fringe 1st round talent can't beat out everyone we played at safety with Chung last year. Which would just leave Gregory for him to share snaps with. |
He's smack dab in the middle of the second round...
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| Grachuus wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Troy Brown wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | Alright, so lets really take a look at where Wilson may fit this season.
Top 50 draft pick, to me says he will compete for the starting FS position/play nickel/dime CB. Especially on a team that basically had no starting free safety and fielding one of the worst defensive secondary's, ever. So for me looking at the roster right now, I'd peg everyone here...
CB1 - Devin McCourty
CB2 - Ras-I Dowlong
Nickel - Kyle Arrington
Dime - Sterling Moore/Will Allen
FS - Steve Gregory?/Tavon Wilson/Sergio Brown
SS - Pat Chung
Ras-I and Arrington you can flip back and forth between those CB2/Nickel spots, even McCourty. It will come down to camp battles.
But back to Wilson specifically, I would expect him to be rotational with Gregory, 65/35 type split. Hopefully make a couple big plays this year.
What kind of impact can we hope for him to make as a rookie in this secondary.
42 tacakles
2 incerceptions
2 ff
I'd be fine with that for a rookie year. How bout you guys? |
I'd be ecstatic. Those are your expectations? Pretty high, don't you think? |
48th Overall pick. Which means he's pretty close to a boarder line 1st round talent. I don't think those expectations are lofty at all really. Will depend a lot on snap counts, but like I said, on a team that was as bad as it was last year, I don't see why a fringe 1st round talent can't beat out everyone we played at safety with Chung last year. Which would just leave Gregory for him to share snaps with. |
He's smack dab in the middle of the second round... |
Yeah? Look at the guys that went 5 picks before and 5 picks after.
Alshon Jeffery
Stephen Hill
Devon Still
Kendall Reyes
Jerel Worthy
Seem like fringe 1st round talents to me. I'm just saying, he was drafted there, so there is an expectation for a certain level of performance. I don't think that's unfair at all.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Grachuus wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Troy Brown wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | Alright, so lets really take a look at where Wilson may fit this season.
Top 50 draft pick, to me says he will compete for the starting FS position/play nickel/dime CB. Especially on a team that basically had no starting free safety and fielding one of the worst defensive secondary's, ever. So for me looking at the roster right now, I'd peg everyone here...
CB1 - Devin McCourty
CB2 - Ras-I Dowlong
Nickel - Kyle Arrington
Dime - Sterling Moore/Will Allen
FS - Steve Gregory?/Tavon Wilson/Sergio Brown
SS - Pat Chung
Ras-I and Arrington you can flip back and forth between those CB2/Nickel spots, even McCourty. It will come down to camp battles.
But back to Wilson specifically, I would expect him to be rotational with Gregory, 65/35 type split. Hopefully make a couple big plays this year.
What kind of impact can we hope for him to make as a rookie in this secondary.
42 tacakles
2 incerceptions
2 ff
I'd be fine with that for a rookie year. How bout you guys? |
I'd be ecstatic. Those are your expectations? Pretty high, don't you think? |
48th Overall pick. Which means he's pretty close to a boarder line 1st round talent. I don't think those expectations are lofty at all really. Will depend a lot on snap counts, but like I said, on a team that was as bad as it was last year, I don't see why a fringe 1st round talent can't beat out everyone we played at safety with Chung last year. Which would just leave Gregory for him to share snaps with. |
He's smack dab in the middle of the second round... |
Yeah? Look at the guys that went 5 picks before and 5 picks after.
Alshon Jeffery
Stephen Hill
Devon Still
Kendall Reyes
Jerel Worthy
Seem like fringe 1st round talents to me. I'm just saying, he was drafted there, so there is an expectation for a certain level of performance. I don't think that's unfair at all.
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If someone's a 1st round talent, doesn't that mean they are one of the 32 best players in the class? I think you're using the phrase too liberally. Wilson (who I feel rather 'meh' about right now) is a second round talent, and his selection bears that out.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Grachuus wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Troy Brown wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | Alright, so lets really take a look at where Wilson may fit this season.
Top 50 draft pick, to me says he will compete for the starting FS position/play nickel/dime CB. Especially on a team that basically had no starting free safety and fielding one of the worst defensive secondary's, ever. So for me looking at the roster right now, I'd peg everyone here...
CB1 - Devin McCourty
CB2 - Ras-I Dowlong
Nickel - Kyle Arrington
Dime - Sterling Moore/Will Allen
FS - Steve Gregory?/Tavon Wilson/Sergio Brown
SS - Pat Chung
Ras-I and Arrington you can flip back and forth between those CB2/Nickel spots, even McCourty. It will come down to camp battles.
But back to Wilson specifically, I would expect him to be rotational with Gregory, 65/35 type split. Hopefully make a couple big plays this year.
What kind of impact can we hope for him to make as a rookie in this secondary.
42 tacakles
2 incerceptions
2 ff
I'd be fine with that for a rookie year. How bout you guys? |
I'd be ecstatic. Those are your expectations? Pretty high, don't you think? |
48th Overall pick. Which means he's pretty close to a boarder line 1st round talent. I don't think those expectations are lofty at all really. Will depend a lot on snap counts, but like I said, on a team that was as bad as it was last year, I don't see why a fringe 1st round talent can't beat out everyone we played at safety with Chung last year. Which would just leave Gregory for him to share snaps with. |
He's smack dab in the middle of the second round... |
Yeah? Look at the guys that went 5 picks before and 5 picks after.
Alshon Jeffery
Stephen Hill
Devon Still
Kendall Reyes
Jerel Worthy
Seem like fringe 1st round talents to me. I'm just saying, he was drafted there, so there is an expectation for a certain level of performance. I don't think that's unfair at all.
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Your forgetting who they have drafted before around that spot how that turn out. Give you a hint a local kid. |
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| Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Grachuus wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Troy Brown wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | Alright, so lets really take a look at where Wilson may fit this season.
Top 50 draft pick, to me says he will compete for the starting FS position/play nickel/dime CB. Especially on a team that basically had no starting free safety and fielding one of the worst defensive secondary's, ever. So for me looking at the roster right now, I'd peg everyone here...
CB1 - Devin McCourty
CB2 - Ras-I Dowlong
Nickel - Kyle Arrington
Dime - Sterling Moore/Will Allen
FS - Steve Gregory?/Tavon Wilson/Sergio Brown
SS - Pat Chung
Ras-I and Arrington you can flip back and forth between those CB2/Nickel spots, even McCourty. It will come down to camp battles.
But back to Wilson specifically, I would expect him to be rotational with Gregory, 65/35 type split. Hopefully make a couple big plays this year.
What kind of impact can we hope for him to make as a rookie in this secondary.
42 tacakles
2 incerceptions
2 ff
I'd be fine with that for a rookie year. How bout you guys? |
I'd be ecstatic. Those are your expectations? Pretty high, don't you think? |
48th Overall pick. Which means he's pretty close to a boarder line 1st round talent. I don't think those expectations are lofty at all really. Will depend a lot on snap counts, but like I said, on a team that was as bad as it was last year, I don't see why a fringe 1st round talent can't beat out everyone we played at safety with Chung last year. Which would just leave Gregory for him to share snaps with. |
He's smack dab in the middle of the second round... |
Yeah? Look at the guys that went 5 picks before and 5 picks after.
Alshon Jeffery
Stephen Hill
Devon Still
Kendall Reyes
Jerel Worthy
Seem like fringe 1st round talents to me. I'm just saying, he was drafted there, so there is an expectation for a certain level of performance. I don't think that's unfair at all.
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Basically you're saying that someone near the first round is first round and someone near near the first round is near the first round. Not going to lie that sounds pretty lame. Because clearly by the below quote you don't actually think he has talent or you wouldn't be crying about how much of a reach this is, right?
| Canadian_Patriot wrote: | No one can rationalize this. Doesn't matter what he may or may not do well, fact of the matter is no team was taking this guy in the next 15 picks to justify not even waiting to take him at 63. This isn't a player who you just can't leave on the board in fear of someone "stealing" him from you.
Biggest reach by Bill, ever.
Unbelievable. I'm mad at you right now Bill! For someone who is all about value you must have been doing tequila shots last night after your great picks yesterday and totally showed up blitz today.
There's no value in this player at 48th overall.
Peter Konz, seriously, a plug him in for a decade interior offensive lineman wasn't worth 48th? But Tavon Wilson is?
Make it up to me at 63, otherwise we're not talking for a while.
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| 24isthelaw wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Grachuus wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | | Troy Brown wrote: | | Canadian_Patriot wrote: | Alright, so lets really take a look at where Wilson may fit this season.
Top 50 draft pick, to me says he will compete for the starting FS position/play nickel/dime CB. Especially on a team that basically had no starting free safety and fielding one of the worst defensive secondary's, ever. So for me looking at the roster right now, I'd peg everyone here...
CB1 - Devin McCourty
CB2 - Ras-I Dowlong
Nickel - Kyle Arrington
Dime - Sterling Moore/Will Allen
FS - Steve Gregory?/Tavon Wilson/Sergio Brown
SS - Pat Chung
Ras-I and Arrington you can flip back and forth between those CB2/Nickel spots, even McCourty. It will come down to camp battles.
But back to Wilson specifically, I would expect him to be rotational with Gregory, 65/35 type split. Hopefully make a couple big plays this year.
What kind of impact can we hope for him to make as a rookie in this secondary.
42 tacakles
2 incerceptions
2 ff
I'd be fine with that for a rookie year. How bout you guys? |
I'd be ecstatic. Those are your expectations? Pretty high, don't you think? |
48th Overall pick. Which means he's pretty close to a boarder line 1st round talent. I don't think those expectations are lofty at all really. Will depend a lot on snap counts, but like I said, on a team that was as bad as it was last year, I don't see why a fringe 1st round talent can't beat out everyone we played at safety with Chung last year. Which would just leave Gregory for him to share snaps with. |
He's smack dab in the middle of the second round... |
Yeah? Look at the guys that went 5 picks before and 5 picks after.
Alshon Jeffery
Stephen Hill
Devon Still
Kendall Reyes
Jerel Worthy
Seem like fringe 1st round talents to me. I'm just saying, he was drafted there, so there is an expectation for a certain level of performance. I don't think that's unfair at all.
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If someone's a 1st round talent, doesn't that mean they are one of the 32 best players in the class? I think you're using the phrase too liberally. Wilson (who I feel rather 'meh' about right now) is a second round talent, and his selection bears that out. |
Know 1st round talent isn't supposed to do w/ the class. Some classes can have more than 32 guys that are first round talent and some can have less. I remember seeing a scout say that 07 draft had 20 guys w/ 1st round talent.
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