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Sllim Pickens
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I'm mad as a Lions fan because I loved Smith and wanted him bad in Detroit. Now I not only can't root for him, I have to root against him. Good first round guys. Im a jealous, even though I am happy with Reiff.
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Vikes_Bolts1228
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | ProudHorn wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | The more I think about this pick, the more I hate it. We have two strong safeties now in Raymond and Smith. Sweet. |
And since when was Reymond considered someone who would or should play?
Smith is a legit starting safety, no one else on this roster fits that bill. This was a very good pick. |
Almost ANYONE is an upgrade at our Safety position, it's that pathetic. |
Then why do you hate the drafting of a SAFETY?
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | Vikes_Bolts1228 wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | The more I think about this pick, the more I hate it. We have two strong safeties now in Raymond and Smith. Sweet. |
Raymond is nothing better than a backup/special teamer. |
Oh so we have Smith and no one then? We drafted another SS? Great. |
In the Vikes scheme, there is literally no difference between the Free and the Strong Safetys. They both play deep halves and generally dont switch sides all that often.
Smith is a free safety for non cover 2 teams. |
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ProudHorn
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | ProudHorn wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | The more I think about this pick, the more I hate it. We have two strong safeties now in Raymond and Smith. Sweet. |
And since when was Reymond considered someone who would or should play?
Smith is a legit starting safety, no one else on this roster fits that bill. This was a very good pick. |
Almost ANYONE is an upgrade at our Safety position, it's that pathetic. |
So the problem with drafting the 2nd best safety is what exactly?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | Vikes_Bolts1228 wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | The more I think about this pick, the more I hate it. We have two strong safeties now in Raymond and Smith. Sweet. |
Raymond is nothing better than a backup/special teamer. |
Oh so we have Smith and no one then? We drafted another SS? Great. |
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PurpleMugen
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I am a-OK with this pick.
I don't think they needed to trade up to get him; I think he would have been there at the top of the second. But we didn't give up too much to move up.
I don't know much about this guy, so can you guys answer some of my questions? Does Smith excel in coverage? Is he a ballhawk? Was he a frequent playmaker in Notre Dame's secondary or was he more of the un-flashy but reliable type?
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Frank Costello
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| ProudHorn wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | ProudHorn wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | The more I think about this pick, the more I hate it. We have two strong safeties now in Raymond and Smith. Sweet. |
And since when was Reymond considered someone who would or should play?
Smith is a legit starting safety, no one else on this roster fits that bill. This was a very good pick. |
Almost ANYONE is an upgrade at our Safety position, it's that pathetic. |
So the problem with drafting the 2nd best safety is what exactly? |
He's the 2nd best safety in a weak safety class. Hmmm the last time we did this, who did we get? The second Safety taken I believe. Oh ya, Tyrell Johnson. I don't have a problem with the player, I have a problem with moving up for him.
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Vikes_Bolts1228
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| ProudHorn wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | ProudHorn wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | The more I think about this pick, the more I hate it. We have two strong safeties now in Raymond and Smith. Sweet. |
And since when was Reymond considered someone who would or should play?
Smith is a legit starting safety, no one else on this roster fits that bill. This was a very good pick. |
Almost ANYONE is an upgrade at our Safety position, it's that pathetic. |
So the problem with drafting the 2nd best safety is what exactly? |
I think the Kalil over Claiborne thing is still gnawing at him!
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ProudHorn
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | ProudHorn wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | ProudHorn wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | The more I think about this pick, the more I hate it. We have two strong safeties now in Raymond and Smith. Sweet. |
And since when was Reymond considered someone who would or should play?
Smith is a legit starting safety, no one else on this roster fits that bill. This was a very good pick. |
Almost ANYONE is an upgrade at our Safety position, it's that pathetic. |
So the problem with drafting the 2nd best safety is what exactly? |
He's the 2nd best safety in a weak safety class. Hmmm the last time we did this, who did we get? The second Safety taken I believe. Oh ya, Tyrell Johnson. I don't have a problem with the player, I have a problem with moving up for him. |
Why? we didn't give up anything of significance. We got a 4th from Cleveland, we gave away a 4th to Baltimore. Nothing lost.
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biggsohnasty
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Wow Frank Costello...be more negative.
Our Safety play was atrocious and has been for the last 3 years. Mystral Raymond is not a good starting Safety, hell he isnt even a good backup safety. Sanford is a special teams guy, not a starting safety.
We absolutely needed a safety, anyone could be an upgrade, but not everyone would be a significant long term upgrade. Smith might be. |
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vikesfan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | ProudHorn wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | The more I think about this pick, the more I hate it. We have two strong safeties now in Raymond and Smith. Sweet. |
And since when was Reymond considered someone who would or should play?
Smith is a legit starting safety, no one else on this roster fits that bill. This was a very good pick. |
Almost ANYONE is an upgrade at our Safety position, it's that pathetic. |
Indeed. It is pathetic. Which is why we need a safety so badly. Which is why this is a good pick. I really don't see your point.
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | I am a-OK with this pick.
I don't think they needed to trade up to get him; I think he would have been there at the top of the second. But we didn't give up too much to move up.
I don't know much about this guy, so can you guys answer some of my questions? Does Smith excel in coverage? Is he a ballhawk? Was he a frequent playmaker in Notre Dame's secondary or was he more of the un-flashy but reliable type? |
Physical, smart, very good tackler. He struggled last season with INT's but had 7 in 2010. |
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Nbanflguy
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | The more I think about this pick, the more I hate it. We have two strong safeties now in Raymond and Smith. Sweet. |
Are you serious? You are mad that we drafted a safety in the late first round because we already have a 6th rounder at that position?
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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People need to read a whole thread and not just ONE post from me.
I am mad we traded up as we could have had him at 35. Our FO is so head over heels for ND players its sickening. Did Rick go to school there or something? Is Rudy his favorite movie? So we have Jamarca Sanford and Harrison Smith? Going places.com
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Nbanflguy
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | People need to read a whole thread and not just ONE post from me.
I am mad we traded up as we could have had him at 35. Our FO is so head over heels for ND players its sickening. Did Rick go to school there or something? Is Rudy his favorite movie? So we have Jamarca Sanford and Harrison Smith? Going places.com |
It is not 100% guranteed that he would still be there at 35. This way we made sure we got our man and we only had to give up one of our FOUR 4th rounders. No big deal
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