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CriminalMind
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Lets not go down this road again 
Its unfair to bring Charlie Johnson/Robinson into "head to head" discussions.
If Claiborne was selected #4, that could change draft prospect orders by a big amount.
Winfield is having a great year, Harrison is having an awesome year, Robinson is having a suprise good impact, and Sanford is playing the best he has ever, coupled with Greenway and Jasper playing strong.
Anyway, Kalil is doing well here as expected and I'm pleased. Claiborne is doing well in Dallas as expected (tho I hate that he is on the Cowboys, but at least he is not on a North rival).
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| CriminalMind wrote: | Lets not go down this road again
Its unfair to bring Charlie Johnson/Robinson into "head to head" discussions.
If Claiborne was selected #4, that could change draft prospect orders by a big amount.
Winfield is having a great year, Harrison is having an awesome year, Robinson is having a suprise good impact, and Sanford is playing the best he has ever, coupled with Greenway and Jasper playing strong.
Anyway, Kalil is doing well here as expected and I'm pleased. Claiborne is doing well in Dallas as expected (tho I hate that he is on the Cowboys, but at least he is not on a North rival). |
If Claiborne was taken at #4, that would have completely left the LT spot unresolved. I think its a perfectly reasonable thing to have considered when making the selection. No matter how its spun, there were more quality CB prospects in this draft than LT prospects. That same argument was made in April and we are seeing right now very few rookie LTs who are stepping in as a starting LT.
So yes, part of the Claiborne vs Kalil debate was based on the expectation of Charlie Johnson being a possible starter at LT vs whatever CB could be had after round 1.
I think MN made the right pick considering that Kalil has been quite good, and MN was still able to find a good starting CB in round 3. |
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vikingshomer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Kellerman wrote: | http://blog.vikings.com/2012/10/08/little-acclaim-big-results-3-vikings-flying-under-the-radar/
| Quote: | LT Matt Kalil
In much the same way it’s hard to measure the effectiveness of a FB such as Felton or a “blocking” TE such as Ellison, it can be tricky gauging the performance of an offensive lineman because there’s no box score metric that directly applies to the position. But you don’t need a box score metric or even a bunch of film study to realize how dominant Kalil has been through 5 games. He’s gone against several formidable DEs and he’s held his water without problem. Also, according to one statistical study, the Vikings have run to the left (Kalil’s side) with success – 44 carries for 199 yards (4.5 yards per carry).
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That's pretty impressive. Do you know of a website that has stats that give the amount of carries and the average yards gained depending on what side of the Oline we run towards? I'd be very curious to compare the numbers for rushing to the left side/center/right side of our oline. |
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Nozizaki
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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No players on the second list 
Pass protection has been A-okay, a large part of which is thanks to Kalil.
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Shorty McFast
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| Nozizaki wrote: | | No players on the second list |
Arizona has the bottom two!
Who do the Vikes play next?
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vike daddy
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Carrie Peterson, the sports nutritionist for all the pro sports teams in town, never has seen anything like it. In the 10 years she has worked with the Vikings, Matt Kalil is the first offensive lineman she has had to help gain weight. It's quite the reversal from 14 months ago, when the Vikings released their previous franchise left tackle, Bryant McKinnie, in part because he had let himself balloon close to 400 pounds. Giving in to his overwhelming craving not to maintain his consumption of 6,000 to 6,500 calories per day would cause Kalil to essentially shrink. Rapidly.
Kalil: "I don't think naturally that I'm meant to be 310 pounds. If I wasn't playing football, I'd weigh 240, 250. But gaining weight, putting it on the healthy way has been something I've done my whole career."
In 1970, the NFL had one 300-pound player. In 1990, it had fewer than 70. Last year: 354. Talk about incentive to keep chewing.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/175045521.html?refer=y
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| As long as putting on this weight during the season doesnt reduce his athleticism. I actually dont mind Kalil around 295-300, the guys he is usually blocking are 255-265. |
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LostRoadStone
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Size doesn't equal strength, so as long as Kalil can control the guy he's facing, he'll be fine.
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I think the pass blocking the last 2 games has regressed a bit. Which is weird considering Kalil is a pass blocker first. He's doing a great job tho.
When he gets going down field on screens and swing blocks, wow, fella can move.
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rpmwr19
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | I think the pass blocking the last 2 games has regressed a bit. Which is weird considering Kalil is a pass blocker first. He's doing a great job tho.
When he gets going down field on screens and swing blocks, wow, fella can move. |
It's definitely not on Kalil for the pass blocking, hell it's not even on Loadholt.
The pocket is being collapses right up the middle and to me it seems the guards are most at fault.
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TearsOfPurple
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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On all those pocket collapse's Kalil was the only one holding his guy back.
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vikingshomer
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| Quote: | Pro Football Focus @PFF
Credit to Matt Kalil. Given up 2 hits & 7 hurries on 258 pass blocks. Gives him 2nd highest Pass Blocking Efficiency number of any LT
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hey VR, still think Blackmon is average? Or did we all forget about the WR learning curve?
I'll wait for you to still call him average and short.
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disaacs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | Hey VR, still think Blackmon is average? Or did we all forget about the WR learning curve?
I'll wait for you to still call him average and short. |
1 great day doesn't make him an All-Pro.
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