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| Quote: | | [Jeff] Davidson didn't campaign much for Kalil, was prepared to give out USC game tapes and ask sarcastically, "See if anybody sticks out to you?" |
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i like how Kalil stated the Vikings were the team he wanted to play for. maybe that's just lip service or good pr on his part, but i'll view it as genuine.
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| I love Kalil as a prospect. You guys got a stud LT. |
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The OL was not nearly as much of a problem as the secondary and the interior of the DL last year.
The pass defence yielded an opposotion passer rating of 107.6. How bad is that? Only Aaron Rodgers (122.5) and Drew Brees (110.6) had better passer ratings individually, and they had two of the best QB seasons ever. The 2008 Detroit Lions (110.9) are the only team in NFL history to have a worse opposition passer rating, and they went winless.
Kalil wasn't a bad pick, if only because Left Tackles are so hard to get outside of the Top 10. But there's no way that OL was a bigger need than the secondary.
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| milanb wrote: |
The OL was not nearly as much of a problem as the secondary and the interior of the DL last year.
The pass defence yielded an opposotion passer rating of 107.6. How bad is that? Only Aaron Rodgers (122.5) and Drew Brees (110.6) had better passer ratings individually, and they had two of the best QB seasons ever. The 2008 Detroit Lions (110.9) are the only team in NFL history to have a worse opposition passer rating, and they went winless.
Kalil wasn't a bad pick, if only because Left Tackles are so hard to get outside of the Top 10. But there's no way that OL was a bigger need than the secondary. |
I'll agree, but I think it was handled correctly. Judging by Reiff's fall, Kalil was by and far the best prospect. We nabbed him and manage to improve our weakest area, Safety, with the following pick. |
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| rpmwr19 wrote: |
I love offensive lineman, great personalities on a lot of them |
Me too, that's why I was hoping we were going to draft Cordy Glenn with our 2nd 1st round pick.
I understand the need at safety, and I know that Harrison Smith is a great pick, but I think picking Cordy would've solidified the left side of the line (Kalil-Glenn-Sullivan) for 10 years.
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I am usually not the type to boast, but i said all offseason Kalil was the way to go due to the lack of depth at LT, and there being a lot of depth at WR and CB. I felt MN should employ a strategy accordingly, and draft according to the strengths of the draft and the likelihood of what will be available later.
I found this quote from Spielman interesting:
| Quote: | | “When our coaches coached the Senior Bowl, they fell in love with Harrison Smith,” G.M. Rick Spielman tells Peter King of SI.com. “At safety, the depth after him got really thin. So we felt that was a guy we really wanted to get where we got him. That’s the point with what we did — you’ve got to look at the depth at each position. Where we picked, we liked Morris Claiborne. We liked Justin Blackmon. But with Kalil, my point was, you’ve got to look at the depth and make your choice not only for that position but for what you think will be there at the other positions you need. And that’s what it came down to for us.” |
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| milanb wrote: |
The OL was not nearly as much of a problem as the secondary and the interior of the DL last year.
The pass defence yielded an opposotion passer rating of 107.6. How bad is that? Only Aaron Rodgers (122.5) and Drew Brees (110.6) had better passer ratings individually, and they had two of the best QB seasons ever. The 2008 Detroit Lions (110.9) are the only team in NFL history to have a worse opposition passer rating, and they went winless.
Kalil wasn't a bad pick, if only because Left Tackles are so hard to get outside of the Top 10. But there's no way that OL was a bigger need than the secondary. |
With the Vikes last year it wasn't either ..or, it was and .. and.
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| vikingsrule wrote: | I found this quote from Spielman interesting:
| Quote: | | “But with Kalil, my point was, you’ve got to look at the depth and make your choice not only for that position but for what you think will be there at the other positions you need. And that’s what it came down to for us.” |
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Annnnd like I've been saying all along, this is a completely backwards approach to the draft. Makes absolutely zero sense that you would base your top pick, a selection that is supposed to be turning your franchise around, on what the draft appears to look like at that particular stage of analysis. Sounds like the perfect way to sink a draft and set a team back even more. (I fully recognize Kalil will be a sound pro, his reasoning on the other hand is extremely flawed and is likely why he struggles after round one.)
Frankly, if this is how Spielman analyzes and approaches his roster, it's no wonder it has deteriorated to the degree it has. |
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| this providence wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | I found this quote from Spielman interesting:
| Quote: | | “But with Kalil, my point was, you’ve got to look at the depth and make your choice not only for that position but for what you think will be there at the other positions you need. And that’s what it came down to for us.” |
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Annnnd like I've been saying all along, this is a completely backwards approach to the draft. Makes absolutely zero sense that you would base your top pick, a selection that is supposed to be turning your franchise around, on what the draft appears to look like at that particular stage of analysis. Sounds like the perfect way to sink a draft and set a team back even more. (I fully recognize Kalil will be a sound pro, his reasoning on the other hand is extremely flawed and is likely why he struggles after round one.)
Frankly, if this is how Spielman analyzes and approaches his roster, it's no wonder it has deteriorated to the degree it has. |
This is EXACTLY how I feel about this drafting strategy.
I cannot stress enough how foolish I think it is to draft based purely on available depth in the class of prospects. For whatever reason, it seems to be an endorsed method on the forum when, in fact, it is an ideal strategy for missing out on true difference-makers year in and year out.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Just because they said there's better depth after Claiborne and Blackmon doesn't mean they didn't have Kalil as the best player of the 3 |
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vikingsrule
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| VIKINGS101011 wrote: | | Just because they said there's better depth after Claiborne and Blackmon doesn't mean they didn't have Kalil as the best player of the 3 |
exactly. there is no indication that Blackmon or Claiborne were truly better prospects than Kalil. All three appeared even according to Spielman. If all three prospects are even, you have to begin to consider other factors, such as the depth of WR, CB and LT. If you can determine that WR and CB is quite a bit deeper than LT, and your top rated WR, CB and LT are dead even, its easy to see why it is advantageous to draft the position that has the least depth first. (Assuming all prospects at the top are equal). |
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