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JerseysFinest27

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:47 pm Post subject:

elwayfan07 wrote:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

elliot878 wrote:

My board for 25:
CB Stephon Gilmore - SC
DT Fletcher Cox - Miss St
DE Nick Perry - USC
CB Dre Kirkpatrick - Bama
C - Peter Konz - Wisconsin
DE - Shea McLellan - Boise St

Id add DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, and OG Cordy Glenn

To be honest I don't think Jenkins is even on the Broncos' board

Why not?

Hes the best man-to-man CB in this draft. He also is a willing tackler and capable playmaker.

So what if he had a run in 2 years ago? Hes had a full year of a clean record this past year. He was very humble about it at the combine and seems to be very taking things more seriously. Elway said it himself he doesnt worry about previous mistakes. Those are mistakes.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject:

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I really think you should have WRs and RBs on the board. They want impact players, offensively or defensively, I don't think we would shy away from those positions.

I agree but Elway knows full well you can get an impact RB later in the draft - its the late round RB that he rode to two super bowls.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

elwayfan07 wrote:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

elliot878 wrote:

My board for 25:
CB Stephon Gilmore - SC
DT Fletcher Cox - Miss St
DE Nick Perry - USC
CB Dre Kirkpatrick - Bama
C - Peter Konz - Wisconsin
DE - Shea McLellan - Boise St

Id add DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, and OG Cordy Glenn

To be honest I don't think Jenkins is even on the Broncos' board

Once is a mistake, Twice is a mistake 3 time is a behavior.

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Sources from multiple NFL teams tell NFL Network's Albert Breer that Janoris Jenkins will fall out of the first round due to events following the former Florida star's exit from Gainesville.
Jenkins has admitted to teams that he continued to smoke pot at North Alabama last season. One AFC personnel director believes Jenkins' biggest problem is that he "doesn't see the error of his ways." Added an AFC scout, "He's not a bad person. He just makes a lot of dumb, dumb mistakes. He just smokes, and (has sex) ... And there's just awful decision-making associated with that." From a pure football perspective, personnel executives rank Jenkins behind only LSU's Morris Claiborne at cornerback.

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NFL teams are reportedly "beginning to shy away" from North Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins after he interviewed poorly at the Combine.
Jenkins will not participate in Thursday's North Alabama Pro Day, instead opting to host a personal workout later this month. Jenkins' multiple failed drug tests that led to his dismissal from Florida and his four children by three different women have been well documented. The National Football Post's Greg Gabriel, a former college scouting director, says the "thought process is he is unaccountable and just doesn’t get it and maybe never will".

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North Alabama coach Terry Bowden says he had no idea that CB Janoris Jenkins had four children by three different mothers during Jenkins' one year at the school.
Bowden, who does exhaustive background checks on all players accepted to his D-II school, didn't find out until Jenkins told the world during a Combine interview last week. "He has a girlfriend; I’ve had to call him at her house plenty of times," Bowden said. "He never told me any of that stuff." This is the one red flag on Jenkins' off-field history that may scare off the most NFL teams. The fact that Jenkins kept it from Bowden begs the question of whether he's given NFL officials full disclosure during pre-draft interviews.

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SI's Peter King expects North Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins' character concerns to hold him out of the first round.
King matter of factly states Jenkins' character has "knocked him out of the first round," so it's unlikely he was able to find a single dissenting opinion when canvassing front offices. Jenkins needs only one team to decide he's worth the first-round risk, but day two is shaping up as his most likely destination.

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Bill Huber of Packer Report is "hearing" that North Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins will fall out of the first round.
SI's Peter King and NFL Network's Albert Breer have heard the same. There's always a chance a big-time talent like Jenkins can overcome the odds, but he'll be removed from the majority of first-round boards around the league. After Jenkins admitted to continuing to do drugs at North Alabama following his release from Florida, he might be the biggest character risk in the draft.

You get kicked out of one school for smoking pot, then continue to smoke pot. I'm not going to get into the children with several different women. It leads to a lack of character. Smoking pot once or twice can be a bad decision. Several times are a habit of bad decisons. More is a behavior it is a trend. I would be dissapointed in EXF if they got this thug. At best he is a habitually bad decision maker at worst he is a thug. I don't want Denver drafting the second coming of Pacman Jones. He will smoke himself out of the league in 5 years.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject:

I don't think Peter Konz is on the radar. We don't seem to want to replace JD.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:24 pm Post subject:

From what Elway said this morning, I think the odds of us taking a QB early are slim-to-none. It's obvious the first two, perhaps first three, picks will be used on instant-impact players at positions of need - RB, DT, CB and maybe WR - the same positions most of us have been expecting us to target early in the draft.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject:

elliot878 wrote:

My board for 25:
CB Stephon Gilmore - SC
DT Fletcher Cox - Miss St
DE Nick Perry - USC
CB Dre Kirkpatrick - Bama
C - Peter Konz - Wisconsin
DE - Shea McLellan - Boise St

ugh i dont know why everyone is in love w/ mcCellin. I went back and watched his tape and I wasn't real impressed also add his 3 concussions in college. His best skill set is his coverage. I dont see a first round prospect. I'd take at least 5 DEs before him.

elwayfan07 wrote:

Jenkins and Pacman are really different. From what I've heard about Jenkins is he's a good kid but does stupid things. Pacman I dont think was a good person or he was a victim of Lucifer effect. Either way I wouldnt compare him and Jenkins. Jenkins's only issue is he doesnt know what a condom is and he smokes weed. That hardly makes him a thug. That being said I still wouldnt touch him in the first. He's closer to next Cromartie than Pacman. Though Jones seemed to clean himself up a bit as a bengal but isn't the player he once was(though a tad ironic Bengals is where he got his off field actions together.) Laughing

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JerseysFinest27

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject:

elwayfan07 wrote:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

elwayfan07 wrote:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

elliot878 wrote:

My board for 25:
CB Stephon Gilmore - SC
DT Fletcher Cox - Miss St
DE Nick Perry - USC
CB Dre Kirkpatrick - Bama
C - Peter Konz - Wisconsin
DE - Shea McLellan - Boise St

Id add DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, and OG Cordy Glenn

To be honest I don't think Jenkins is even on the Broncos' board

Once is a mistake, Twice is a mistake 3 time is a behavior.

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Thats about as racist of a comment that i have heard on this board. You dont know the guy but you consider him a thug? Do you know what a thug is? Sure, the guy has 4 kids with 3 women. Sure, hes gotten caught with pot before. Sure, hes gotten kicked out of school. Wheres the "thug life"?

Im sorry man, but I will not listen to that garbage. You have truly taken this argument to a completely different trail and one that I will not go down. All I will say is this:

Jenkins is an exceptional talent. Hes got all the talent you want at the CB position in the NFL. He can play man-to-man better than anyone coming out this draft. Hes as good a tackler and as athletic as anyone coming out of this draft. His talent has no question marks.

However, when did smoking pot at 19 years old mean your a thug? Excuse me, Mr. Perfect. The kid admitted his wrongs at the combine. Hes accepting fault. What else do you want a 21 year old to say? No I get it, you dont want him to say anything, you want him to go back and make better decisions. Well guess what? He cant. Time to move on. Only way to make a situation right is accept fault, admit poor choice, and make a change. He did.

Im not even going to get into all the quotes from people saying he'll slip out of the 1st round. Same people that said Clay Matthews was too big of an ego? Or Cam Newton only cares about himself? Why isnt anyone talking about Dre Kirkpatrick failing a drug test a week before the combine? Hes still considered a high-1st.

You attack a guy because hes done everything right to move on form poor mistakes. Excuse me...
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject:

I see both sides of the Jenkins argument.

On one side, you have people like elwayfan07, who see a pattern, and rightfully so. Once or twice is a dumb decision. Multiple times is not learning from those decisions.

One the other hand, I know a lot of 20 year old guys whose two favorite activities are unprotected sex with multiple partners and smoking weed. Hopefully, those won't be their two favorite activites at 25.

Maybe he'll smoke himself out of the league. Maybe he will grow up and become a smarter person. All I know is his talents are indisputable and if he gets his head on straight he is going to be a steal for someone, especially if he falls to the second (or third as one mock showed.)
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elwayfan07

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

elwayfan07 wrote:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

elwayfan07 wrote:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

elliot878 wrote:

My board for 25:
CB Stephon Gilmore - SC
DT Fletcher Cox - Miss St
DE Nick Perry - USC
CB Dre Kirkpatrick - Bama
C - Peter Konz - Wisconsin
DE - Shea McLellan - Boise St

Id add DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, and OG Cordy Glenn

To be honest I don't think Jenkins is even on the Broncos' board

Once is a mistake, Twice is a mistake 3 time is a behavior.

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- Despite your personal attack by calling my opinion, which is every bit as valuable as yours BTW, garbage. I'm going to Barney Style this so you can understand.

1. I said nothing that has to do with his race. Todd Marinovich did many similar things, albiet to a much greater extent, and he was White. So this has nothing to do with his race. This has to do only with his actions. Obviously the term "Thug" offended you and you find it to have racial connotation. SO substitute it with whatever moniker you deem to mean a guy who routinely acts contrary to good order and disciplined and once he gets disciplined he continues to do those actions.

2. Despite your claim, he didn't do everything he could to move on because he admitted to teams that he smoked pot at Northern Alabama. That is not learning from your mistakes. It is continuing a destructive pattern of bad behavior.

3. You have a coach in Terry Bowden who is willing to offer you a second chance and you're not front with him about your family situation. Then you continue to smoke pot. That's a pattern. A pattern of misconduct.

4. Kirkpatrick had a single known case of Marijuana. He may have more but one that the public knows about. I can't make a judgement on what I don't know. If he had all the documented issues of Jenkins then that would change things. So the two situations are not the same.

5. The principle I think people don't realize is that actions have consequences. He and he alone is responsible for his action. No one made him smoke pot. No one made him smoke pot after numerous failed drug tests at Florida. No one made him smoke pot after he got booted from Florida. He did that on his own. However, you are making excuses because he is talented. If he was a middle round talent then you would not be anywhere near as adamant about forgiving him. However, in society if you are talented then you can have as many chances as you want because you have a skill. I joined the military at 19 years old. At 19, I if I smoked marijuana, I didn't get the excuse of " I'm young and I make mistakes." If I did illegal drugs I was booted out of the Navy with a Dishonorable Discharge and the rest of my life was hosed. So forgive me if I don't believe He should get six chances and then an organization should trust him to handle a multi-million dollar contract in a responsible manner. That is a privilege and he has not earned it. It wouldn't shock me if someone spent that kind of money on him. However, I hope it is not Denver. Because his behavior has not lived up to the honor of wearing the Broncos Jersey.

That is the most deliberate and blunt way I can describe my thinking. You have the right to your opinion. I respect your opinion. However, I strongly disagree with you. There is no way I think he has displayed the integrity, responsibility, maturity or strength of character to be trusted with the type of contract and responsibility that comes with being a top draft pick. That is how I feel and I hope the Broncos do to.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject:

PGeorge2 wrote:

I agree with PG2, Multiple times does show signs of a pattern but at that age how much do you know about the real world already?

There are many people older than him who make dumb decisions.

I do think elwayfan07 stepped over a line by calling him a thug. It's serious accusation that should not be taken lightly. Like Jersey said, he owned up to his mistakes and all you can ask of any human is to realize what you've down and grow from it. It looks like Jenkins is trying to do that.

I guess the only positive I can see in this is if Jenkins falls to our second we should snap him up in a second. The new rookie wage scale works miracles as far as taking risks and not getting hurt contractually in my opinion.

elwayfan07

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject:

omegaxla49 wrote:

PGeorge2 wrote:

OK perhaps the term " Thug" is a poor choice of words. However, I think he has shown habitually bad behavior and if I did it in the military, I would be called much worse than a "Thug"
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject:

I have a gut feeling that whether we trade back or stay at 25 that EXF are going to draft Lamar Miller. I don't know why but it's just a feeling.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

elliot878 wrote:

My board for 25:
CB Stephon Gilmore - SC
DT Fletcher Cox - Miss St
DE Nick Perry - USC
CB Dre Kirkpatrick - Bama
C - Peter Konz - Wisconsin
DE - Shea McLellan - Boise St

Id add DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, and OG Cordy Glenn

I think you can add Mike Adams to that list.

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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:00 am Post subject:

JerseysFinest27 - I think you are WAY out of line calling elwayfan07 a racist for what he posted. His post about Jenkins had no hint of racism whatsoever; he was merely pointing out some very valid concerns that NFL decision-makers, EXF most certainly included, could have about the young Mr. Jenkins.

Under no circumstances will faux charges of racism (or any other rule violation) be tolerated around here. Consider his a final warning, JF.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:15 am Post subject:

AnAngryAmerican wrote:

Youre kidding me... Final warning for what? Telling someone what they said is racist? Where is that in the rules?

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9338

Did you see that he already said calling him a thug was wrong? But I get the warning. Youre a joke pal.

No NFL "decision-maker" has ever called him a thug. Thats a lie. So tell me what you consider calling a man a thug then? If you dont have a dictionary go look it up. Its a racial connotation, often considered in a racial profile.

Ill take it up with the webby. Youre a completely waste of time. Go sit on a pole.
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