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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

charles shelton wrote:
McMorrow_922 wrote:
skaterbirdhouse wrote:
DjBuddaH wrote:
Wait, fire the GM who just signed a 3 year contract extension near Thanksgiving? Fire the guy who has made a very solid core of players with barely any off-the-field incidents? Fire the guy who had our group 1 game away from winning the division 2 out of the last 3 years with all of our QB changes? smh Rolling Eyes


Or you could look at it as firing the guy who originally said we were only 2 years from the playoffs four years ago himself.

I agree Skater, Gene Smith has not drafted one Pro Bowler yet, He has only been GM for.3 years, but still. It dates all the way back to 2006 since we drafted guys who ended up.becoming Pro.Bowlers. Mercedes & MJD.
I have not been impressed with Gene Smith so far, to.be honest.the only.pick ive been crediting him for is Derek Cox. Alualu has been solid, but not what we should of gotten for such a high reach & pick.


Probowl voting is flawed, so judging a gm by that standard, especially a gm in an overlooked city like jacksonville, isn't a very accurate method of judgement imo. I also find it odd that you'll give him credit for the Cox pick, but no credit for Terrance Knighton in the 3rd, Thomas in the 4th, Lane in the 4th, Zach Miller in the 6th, Jennings in the 7th, or even mention the success rate he has had with his free agent signings. The problem with the Jags isn't Gene Smith, it's that we never suck bad enough to regularly be picking in the top 5, or just so happen to be the worst team in the league after a decade of dominating our division the same year a highly thought of qb gets drafted.

-charles

and dude..what's with all the periods? are you posting from a phone or something...drives me nuts.

If you read the statement, i said pro bowlers is just one was his drafting skills can be jufged
Skaterbird made the chart before i could, so thanks skater.
Thomas pick gets a lil credit, but he hasnt done anything spectacular. Miller pick is whatever to me.
Were never that bad? No offense last year we had 5 wins,.& 2 coming to a team that sucked & got beat on by everybody. The Ravens game we just defensivly dominated them, which is what we try and do, & it pans out sometimes, but other times we just get embarassed like the Jets & Falcons did to us.
Gene Smith better have a good draft, &.the Jags better finish in the hunt for the division race, or Gene Smith could be on.the hot seat this summer
& as for the periods, Im on my phone. Touch screen, & space is next to period, so at times all my spaces are periods. lol
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

McMorrow_922 wrote:
charles shelton wrote:
McMorrow_922 wrote:
skaterbirdhouse wrote:
DjBuddaH wrote:
Wait, fire the GM who just signed a 3 year contract extension near Thanksgiving? Fire the guy who has made a very solid core of players with barely any off-the-field incidents? Fire the guy who had our group 1 game away from winning the division 2 out of the last 3 years with all of our QB changes? smh Rolling Eyes


Or you could look at it as firing the guy who originally said we were only 2 years from the playoffs four years ago himself.

I agree Skater, Gene Smith has not drafted one Pro Bowler yet, He has only been GM for.3 years, but still. It dates all the way back to 2006 since we drafted guys who ended up.becoming Pro.Bowlers. Mercedes & MJD.
I have not been impressed with Gene Smith so far, to.be honest.the only.pick ive been crediting him for is Derek Cox. Alualu has been solid, but not what we should of gotten for such a high reach & pick.


Probowl voting is flawed, so judging a gm by that standard, especially a gm in an overlooked city like jacksonville, isn't a very accurate method of judgement imo. I also find it odd that you'll give him credit for the Cox pick, but no credit for Terrance Knighton in the 3rd, Thomas in the 4th, Lane in the 4th, Zach Miller in the 6th, Jennings in the 7th, or even mention the success rate he has had with his free agent signings. The problem with the Jags isn't Gene Smith, it's that we never suck bad enough to regularly be picking in the top 5, or just so happen to be the worst team in the league after a decade of dominating our division the same year a highly thought of qb gets drafted.

-charles

and dude..what's with all the periods? are you posting from a phone or something...drives me nuts.

If you read the statement, i said pro bowlers is just one was his drafting skills can be jufged
Skaterbird made the chart before i could, so thanks skater.
Thomas pick gets a lil credit, but he hasnt done anything spectacular. Miller pick is whatever to me.
Were never that bad? No offense last year we had 5 wins,.& 2 coming to a team that sucked & got beat on by everybody. The Ravens game we just defensivly dominated them, which is what we try and do, & it pans out sometimes, but other times we just get embarassed like the Jets & Falcons did to us.
Gene Smith better have a good draft, &.the Jags better finish in the hunt for the division race, or Gene Smith could be on.the hot seat this summer
& as for the periods, Im on my phone. Touch screen, & space is next to period, so at times all my spaces are periods. lol


So 1 win away from winning the division 2 of the last 3 seasons doesn't mean anything.....but it does this season? We were in the hunt 2 of our 3 rebuilding years...your expectations for a rising team are way out of whack.
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sadjag wrote:
DjBuddaH wrote:
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Wait, fire the GM who just signed a 3 year contract extension near Thanksgiving? Fire the guy who has made a very solid core of players with barely any off-the-field incidents? Fire the guy who had our group 1 game away from winning the division 2 out of the last 3 years with all of our QB changes? smh Rolling Eyes
If Gabbert doesn't improve and the draft isn't solid yes.

I don't know about very solid core group but ill trade you some off-the-field incidents for pro-bowlers Very Happy


So Jerry Jones should have been fired when Troy Aikman had a statistically worse 2nd season than his 1st season? Makes since....you'll make a fine boss someday.
I didn't say Get rid of Gabbert said fire Gene for picking him lol.


Where did I say anything about Gabbert? I compared Gene to Jerry Jones.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DjBuddaH wrote:
McMorrow_922 wrote:
charles shelton wrote:
McMorrow_922 wrote:
skaterbirdhouse wrote:
DjBuddaH wrote:
Wait, fire the GM who just signed a 3 year contract extension near Thanksgiving? Fire the guy who has made a very solid core of players with barely any off-the-field incidents? Fire the guy who had our group 1 game away from winning the division 2 out of the last 3 years with all of our QB changes? smh Rolling Eyes


Or you could look at it as firing the guy who originally said we were only 2 years from the playoffs four years ago himself.

I agree Skater, Gene Smith has not drafted one Pro Bowler yet, He has only been GM for.3 years, but still. It dates all the way back to 2006 since we drafted guys who ended up.becoming Pro.Bowlers. Mercedes & MJD.
I have not been impressed with Gene Smith so far, to.be honest.the only.pick ive been crediting him for is Derek Cox. Alualu has been solid, but not what we should of gotten for such a high reach & pick.


Probowl voting is flawed, so judging a gm by that standard, especially a gm in an overlooked city like jacksonville, isn't a very accurate method of judgement imo. I also find it odd that you'll give him credit for the Cox pick, but no credit for Terrance Knighton in the 3rd, Thomas in the 4th, Lane in the 4th, Zach Miller in the 6th, Jennings in the 7th, or even mention the success rate he has had with his free agent signings. The problem with the Jags isn't Gene Smith, it's that we never suck bad enough to regularly be picking in the top 5, or just so happen to be the worst team in the league after a decade of dominating our division the same year a highly thought of qb gets drafted.

-charles

and dude..what's with all the periods? are you posting from a phone or something...drives me nuts.

If you read the statement, i said pro bowlers is just one was his drafting skills can be jufged
Skaterbird made the chart before i could, so thanks skater.
Thomas pick gets a lil credit, but he hasnt done anything spectacular. Miller pick is whatever to me.
Were never that bad? No offense last year we had 5 wins,.& 2 coming to a team that sucked & got beat on by everybody. The Ravens game we just defensivly dominated them, which is what we try and do, & it pans out sometimes, but other times we just get embarassed like the Jets & Falcons did to us.
Gene Smith better have a good draft, &.the Jags better finish in the hunt for the division race, or Gene Smith could be on.the hot seat this summer
& as for the periods, Im on my phone. Touch screen, & space is next to period, so at times all my spaces are periods. lol


So 1 win away from winning the division 2 of the last 3 seasons doesn't mean anything.....but it does this season? We were in the hunt 2 of our 3 rebuilding years...your expectations for a rising team are way out of whack.

Idk what your talking about Buddah but in 09 we were 7/9 & Indy Finshed 14/2 . So we were far from 1Game.
2010 we finshed 2 games from Indy, We went 8/8 & they went 10/6
2011 we were 5/11 & were a longshot from the division, so idk where you get yozr facts from.
In 2008 we were 5/11 & way outta the division? We Didnt Finish within 1 game in the past 4 years. Whats out of whack is your facts & Knowledge my dude. Dont argue if you dont no any facts, im.not trying be a -, just being honest.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McMorrow_922 wrote:
2010 we finshed 2 games from Indy, We went 8/8 & they went 10/6

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We Didnt Finish within 1 game in the past 4 years. Whats out of whack is your facts & Knowledge my dude. Dont argue if you dont no any facts, im.not trying be a -, just being honest.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Jacksonville had a chance to secure the [division] title with a victory, but again failed to sweep the season series.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skaterbirdhouse wrote:
I'd agree, probowls are not a good way at all of looking at a GM but if we go back and look at all of his picks this is what we get:


Horrible way to look at it, for one. In what world does a 7th round draft pick carry as much weight as a first round pick in assessment of a GM? What 7th rounders drafted by anybody wouldn't get a D rating or below from you?

And who would you prefer them to pick?
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=484929

Which players are so much better than who he has picked so as to make him good by your standards?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iPwn wrote:
McMorrow_922 wrote:
2010 we finshed 2 games from Indy, We went 8/8 & they went 10/6

...

We Didnt Finish within 1 game in the past 4 years. Whats out of whack is your facts & Knowledge my dude. Dont argue if you dont no any facts, im.not trying be a -, just being honest.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Jacksonville had a chance to secure the [division] title with a victory, but again failed to sweep the season series.

And we finshed 2 games out did we not? the statement above said 2 of the last 3 seasons we were 1 game away? & the othet 2 seasons we were no where near the divison race, so LOlOLOL
iPwn wrote:
McMorrow_922 wrote:
2010 we finshed 2 games from Indy, We went 8/8 & they went 10/6

...

We Didnt Finish within 1 game in the past 4 years. Whats out of whack is your facts & Knowledge my dude. Dont argue if you dont no any facts, im.not trying be a -, just being honest.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Jacksonville had a chance to secure the [division] title with a victory, but again failed to sweep the season series.

And we finshed 2 games out did we not? the statement above said 2 of the last 3 seasons we were 1 game away? & the othet 2 seasons we were no where near the divison race, so LOlOLOLOloL haha
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And we finshed 2 games out did we not? the statement above said 2 of the last 3 seasons we were 1 game away? & the othet 2 seasons we were no where near the divison race, so LOlOLOLOloL haha


Somebody doesn't understand what one win away means. We win that game, we finish 9-7 and so do the Colts. We win the division. We were one win away.

And did I say he was right about both of them? Nope. I just found it funny that you mouthed off about how he doesn't [k]no[w] any facts when you were wrong too.
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McMorrow_922 wrote:
And we finshed 2 games out did we not? the statement above said 2 of the last 3 seasons we were 1 game away? & the othet 2 seasons we were no where near the divison race, so LOlOLOLOloL haha


Somebody doesn't understand what one win away means. We win that game, we finish 9-7 and so do the Colts. We win the division. We were one win away.

And did I say he was right about both of them? Nope. I just found it funny that you mouthed off about how he doesn't [k]no[w] any facts when you were wrong too.

I wasnt wrong, I said we didnt finish 1 game away when it was all said an done, & we didmt we finished 2 games back. We needin to beat Indy & we didnt. So it could technichally be stated right either way. We needed to win that 1 game, but the standings say 2 games awy.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Backtracking, tbh.

Also arguing a strawman.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That does not look like an easy schedule.


I really don't see the 10 wins out of it that i'm seeing tossed around here. I see 6 or 7 wins if things go well. Hard to say this early, as who knows what we're going to be adding at the draft in terms of immediate impact players (if any). And there are plenty of health questionmarks already. Obviously i'm hoping for more, but realistically, unless the defense manages to turn in a similar and healthy performance to last year, and the offense takes a miraculous upswing...i just don't see the wins there.
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September 9 (1:00) - @Vikings
September 16 (1:00) - Texans
September 23 (1:00) - @Colts
September 30 (4:05) - Bengals
October 7 (4:05) - Bears
October 14 - Bye
October 21 (4:15) - @Raiders
October 28 (1:00) - @Packers
November 4 (1:00) - Lions
November 8 (Thursday) - Colts
November 18 (1:00) - @Texans
November 25 (1:00) - Titans
December 2 (1:00) - @Bills
December 9 (1:00) - Jets
December 16 (1:00) - @Dolphins
December 23 (1:00) - Patriots
December 30 (1:00) - @Titans


Right off the bat, I see the games in green as should win games (picked the home games vs Titans/Texans, those could turn to be road wins though). That's 6 wins right there.

The blue games, we should win 2-4 of them.

I don't see any reason that this team shouldn't be, provided they stay healthy, somewhere in the 7-11 win range (adjusted for upsets both ways).
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DjBuddaH wrote:
sadjag wrote:
DjBuddaH wrote:
sadjag wrote:
DjBuddaH wrote:
Wait, fire the GM who just signed a 3 year contract extension near Thanksgiving? Fire the guy who has made a very solid core of players with barely any off-the-field incidents? Fire the guy who had our group 1 game away from winning the division 2 out of the last 3 years with all of our QB changes? smh Rolling Eyes
If Gabbert doesn't improve and the draft isn't solid yes.

I don't know about very solid core group but ill trade you some off-the-field incidents for pro-bowlers Very Happy


So Jerry Jones should have been fired when Troy Aikman had a statistically worse 2nd season than his 1st season? Makes since....you'll make a fine boss someday.
I didn't say Get rid of Gabbert said fire Gene for picking him lol.


Where did I say anything about Gabbert? I compared Gene to Jerry Jones.
Sorry I miread, you WERE comparing Gabbert to Aikman though. Cool
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sadjag wrote:
DjBuddaH wrote:
sadjag wrote:
DjBuddaH wrote:
sadjag wrote:
DjBuddaH wrote:
Wait, fire the GM who just signed a 3 year contract extension near Thanksgiving? Fire the guy who has made a very solid core of players with barely any off-the-field incidents? Fire the guy who had our group 1 game away from winning the division 2 out of the last 3 years with all of our QB changes? smh Rolling Eyes
If Gabbert doesn't improve and the draft isn't solid yes.

I don't know about very solid core group but ill trade you some off-the-field incidents for pro-bowlers Very Happy


So Jerry Jones should have been fired when Troy Aikman had a statistically worse 2nd season than his 1st season? Makes since....you'll make a fine boss someday.
I didn't say Get rid of Gabbert said fire Gene for picking him lol.


Where did I say anything about Gabbert? I compared Gene to Jerry Jones.
Sorry I miread, you WERE comparing Gabbert to Aikman though. Cool


Statistically Gabbert had a better rookie season than Aikman...so yes I compared them.
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Idk what your talking about Buddah but in 09 we were 7/9 & Indy Finshed 14/2 . So we were far from 1Game.
2010 we finshed 2 games from Indy, We went 8/8 & they went 10/6
2011 we were 5/11 & were a longshot from the division, so idk where you get yozr facts from.
In 2008 we were 5/11 & way outta the division? We Didnt Finish within 1 game in the past 4 years. Whats out of whack is your facts & Knowledge my dude. Dont argue if you dont no any facts, im.not trying be a -, just being honest.


I thought it was 2 seasons, my b. But don't question my knowledge. I go off of memory...You actually had to go back and look up the facts and still got them wrong.
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