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RAVINGMADD
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| diamondbull424 wrote: | | Sorry for the selection. I understand that there wasn't much debate on Looney, but looking at the boards he looked to be the most consensus guy available... there's still plenty of time to discuss the other position. |
I like that pick a lot. He's a guy with a lot of experience and can start right away at our position of biggest need. I think it's a better pick here than either of the guys we were talking about since it isn't really a need and we can most likely get one with the next pick. |
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diamondbull424
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, so at our next pick I like 2C3. I think I've exhausted my arguments as to why I think he's the best impact player available for us. He's not the best player on my board, but the other two players ranked over him are guys from positions we've already addressed in this mock or guys from positions that are already pretty stacked on our roster. 2C3 offers something we don't really have on the roster and he offers it at a high level. 2D4 might also be a candidate that is of interest. It's a close call between the value of these two receivers. One is bigger and stronger, the other is lighter and quicker.
For our 6th round pick, I like 2A78 and 2A85 in that order.
Actually tbh, 2C3 seems like a guy that might fall to our 6th as a steal. He doesn't seem to be getting much talk on these forums. Heck if not for c0 I might not even be familiar with him. Perhaps we can gamble on taking that position later and using this 5th round pick to go for either of the guys I mentioned for the 6th rounder?
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diamondbull424
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry guys I originally mistakingly updated the thread to say AT 6pm as opposed to TILL 6pm. As the update shows, we're actually OTC in less than an hour...
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| diamondbull424 wrote: | Okay, so at our next pick I like 2C3. I think I've exhausted my arguments as to why I think he's the best impact player available for us. He's not the best player on my board, but the other two players ranked over him are guys from positions we've already addressed in this mock or guys from positions that are already pretty stacked on our roster. 2C3 offers something we don't really have on the roster and he offers it at a high level. 2D4 might also be a candidate that is of interest. It's a close call between the value of these two receivers. One is bigger and stronger, the other is lighter and quicker.
For our 6th round pick, I like 2A78 and 2A85 in that order.
Actually tbh, 2C3 seems like a guy that might fall to our 6th as a steal. He doesn't seem to be getting much talk on these forums. Heck if not for c0 I might not even be familiar with him. Perhaps we can gamble on taking that position later and using this 5th round pick to go for either of the guys I mentioned for the 6th rounder? |
I like 2A85, but I have no idea where anyone goes at this point. I think for me I'd go with 2A85 or 2A79.
I'm not so much a fan of 2A78. At his spot, I like 3B12 and 3C16. |
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| I'm sticking with 4E33. If not him I would go for 4C14 or 3F6. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| RAVINGMADD wrote: | | diamondbull424 wrote: | Okay, so at our next pick I like 2C3. I think I've exhausted my arguments as to why I think he's the best impact player available for us. He's not the best player on my board, but the other two players ranked over him are guys from positions we've already addressed in this mock or guys from positions that are already pretty stacked on our roster. 2C3 offers something we don't really have on the roster and he offers it at a high level. 2D4 might also be a candidate that is of interest. It's a close call between the value of these two receivers. One is bigger and stronger, the other is lighter and quicker.
For our 6th round pick, I like 2A78 and 2A85 in that order.
Actually tbh, 2C3 seems like a guy that might fall to our 6th as a steal. He doesn't seem to be getting much talk on these forums. Heck if not for c0 I might not even be familiar with him. Perhaps we can gamble on taking that position later and using this 5th round pick to go for either of the guys I mentioned for the 6th rounder? |
I like 2A85, but I have no idea where anyone goes at this point. I think for me I'd go with 2A85 or 2A79.
I'm not so much a fan of 2A78. At his spot, I like 3B12 and 3C16. |
Surely 2A85 will last to the next round?
I can't say that I've seen all that much of c0's #1 guy, but 2D4 is actually the last player left on Gil Brandt's Top 100 (which is a big board that is pretty much taken from actual team BBs)
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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We just selected an OG with our previous pick. 2A79 isn't a guy that I'm interested in anymore (unless he continues to fall)... I only see him at OG at the next level and we just got Looney. I like 2A85 to play 4A FTMP... but I also think he could fall to our next pick.
So the way I see it, we need a return specialist. It's really the only need left on our board. There are two guys equipped to handle that, that is high on two boards and my own. I'm comfortable with either.
Personally, I feel like either player has the chance to be a steal. It's incredible close to call for me. I think I'll have to go back to the tape. I think I do recall hearing character concerns regarding 2D4, so I'll have to look up on those as well.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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I figured some more discussion would happen to change opinions or something.
After looking at more tape, I keep going back to 2C3. I like 2D4, but 2C3 seems to pop a little more on tape and I can't help but wonder what we could do with his skill set.
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| Quote: | Baltimore Ravens select with the 169th pick...
| sidelinescouting wrote: | Keshawn Martin - Michigan State (HT: 5-11½ - WT: 188)
Positives
Reliable receiver who was a consistent producer for Michigan State this past year... Can break the big play; had three catches go for over 45 yards in his final five games in 2011... Great top speed, can take the top off a defense, does a great job of creating separation down the field in man coverage... Has a clean release of the line of scrimmage, doesn't take any false steps... Crafty receiver who utilizes double moves well, finds ways to get open... Adjusts well to the ball in the air... Terrific vertical leap, recorded a 39.5" vertical at the combine... Good boundary receiver, makes tough plays near the sideline... Good runner after the catch; elusive, and has been used on reverses and end arounds... A good slot receiver candidate and has added value at the next level as a return specialist.
Negatives
Undersized receiver who may struggle against press coverage... Has a tendency to body catch, doesn't extend his arms and catch away from his body... Overshadowed a bit in college by his teammate B.J. Cunningham... Inconsistent hands has led to some drops... Poor run blocker, doesn't have the size or frame to push defenders back... Has fairly short arms... While he gets separation down field, he doesn't haul in many passes down the field; is utilized more on swing passes, screens and crossing patterns to get him the ball in space... Needs to work on his route running, he's a raw project player with tools but doesn't have the best technique.
| Quote: | Combine Results
Height › 5114
Weight › 188
Arm › 31½
Hand › 9¼
40-Time › 4.45
Vertical › 39.5
Broad › 10'2"
Bench › 13
Shuttle › 4.13
Cone › 6.85 |
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Ravens War Room Analysis:
With this pick the Baltimore Ravens believe we have drafted the next Antonio Brown-type of player in the draft. Most not familiar with the MSU prospect will be unfamiliar with his ability. At MSU he was mostly utilized on bubble screens and other short pass patterns. When given the opportunity run vertical routes he was incredibly adept (given his speed) and highly effective at getting separation. Under a system the better utilizes his skill set the Baltimore Ravens believe that they've drafted a late round gem/sleeper candidate. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| My work is done. |
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diamondbull424
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| coordinator0 wrote: | | My work is done. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Well we definitely have a lot of potential in the WR department now.
For the next pick, I'd say 2A85 is probably the way to go unless we think he will last till our last pick. I also would look at 3F9 if he's still there. For the last pick, I'd take one of 3B12 or 3C16 and if they aren't there 3B19 or 3C19 would be guys I would look at. |
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diamondbull424
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| RAVINGMADD wrote: | Well we definitely have a lot of potential in the WR department now.
For the next pick, I'd say 2A85 is probably the way to go unless we think he will last till our last pick. I also would look at 3F9 if he's still there. For the last pick, I'd take one of 3B12 or 3C16 and if they aren't there 3B19 or 3C19 would be guys I would look at. |
I agree with him as the next pick... assuming he falls to us.
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| Does anybody know anything about 3B19? I was looking through the stats of some of the guys left and his last year was pretty awesome. The level of competition might have something to do with that but if the guy has any potential at all he might not be a bad pick. |
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RAVINGMADD
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| coordinator0 wrote: | | Does anybody know anything about 3B19? I was looking through the stats of some of the guys left and his last year was pretty awesome. The level of competition might have something to do with that but if the guy has any potential at all he might not be a bad pick. |
Yeah I like him if he's there with our 7th round pick and we haven't done anything at that spot yet. I'd prefer 3C16 before I took 3B19, but he has some decent potential. Here's his highlights
http://youtu.be/1XU34I3duRw
He looks good, but he's playing against guys that aren't going to be in the NFL. He's got big hands and decent size and athleticism. There's potential and he looks like he has natural pass rushing ability so I would take him. He most likely won't be there with our 7th round pick though because he's definitely on people's radar right now. |
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