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 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:48 pm Post subject: Vikings wanted Garcon till they learned what we offered |
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/27/vikings-wanted-pierre-garcon-but-not-for-what-redskins-paid/
The Vikings were thinking of getting in the race to sign Piere Garcon, but quit pursuing him when they learned of the contract that we were offering him. This worries me a little bit. I hope Garcon proves to be worth the $.
| Quote: | The Redskins were very aggressive in reeling in Garçon, signing him almost instantly after the free agency period started. Jeremy Fowler of the Pioneer Press reports that the Vikings acted aggressively in contacting Garçon, too, but they exited the Garçon sweepstakes just as quickly when they decided that the five-year, $42.5 million deal with $21.5 million guaranteed that Garçon got from the Redskins was too rich for their blood.
Minnesota thought that if they could team Garçon with receiver Percy Harvin and have them both catching passes from quarterback Christian Ponder, they’d be putting together one of the best young pass-catch combinations in football. But Minnesota wouldn’t pay Garçon the kind of money that Washington paid. |
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I think, before this tidbit, we all knew we paid a significant amount more than anyone else was going to for Garcon.
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| MikeT14 wrote: | | I think, before this tidbit, we all knew we paid a significant amount more than anyone else was going to for Garcon. |
Yeah, I know. It's just nice to see some proof.
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| turtle28 wrote: | | MikeT14 wrote: | | I think, before this tidbit, we all knew we paid a significant amount more than anyone else was going to for Garcon. |
Yeah, I know. It's just nice to see some proof. |
Didn't San Diego offer him the same exact deal as us?
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| rizzy wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | MikeT14 wrote: | | I think, before this tidbit, we all knew we paid a significant amount more than anyone else was going to for Garcon. |
Yeah, I know. It's just nice to see some proof. |
Didn't San Diego offer him the same exact deal as us? |
I thought it was similar but not quite as good.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4945/pierre-garcon
| Quote: | The St. Paul Pioneer Press reports the Vikings made a "strong push" to sign Pierre Garcon before he landed a five-year, $42.5 million deal from the Redskins.
We now know Garcon drew serious interest from the Vikings, Browns and Rams before signing with Washington, which goes a long way toward explaining how he was able to bring home such a lucrative contract. Garcon could end up being one of the league's most overpaid players in Washington. Per beat writer Tom Pelissero, the Vikings thought the Redskins' offer to Garcon was "crazy." Mar 27 - 10:14 AM
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't that how free-agency typically works? Teams bid for the services of an individual, and the bidding usually stops when the winning teams' competitors find the price too steep. Standard fare, and generally the way things unfold in the first few days of free agency. Isn't Vincent Jackson being paid like a top 4 receiver? He isn't that, and he's a risky proposition considering his tenuous disciplinary status which should theoretically drive down his annual salary. Isn't Brandon Carr being paid like an elite, proven number one corner? Isn't Carl Nicks being paid like the best interior lineman in football?
Again, that's just the price of doing business early in free agency, and the Redskins were in a position that compelled them to spend a little extra to make sure that they secured playmakers to surround RG3 with given the relative dearth of top picks they'll have over the next few seasons. Perfectly reasonable move imo, and if we can get this cap penalty overturned, we'll be back at it next season in full force. Mike Wallace anyone  .
Now, hopefully in five seasons we'll be in a position where we have drafted so well that we don't need to go the FA route nearly as consistently, but we aren't there yet organizationally, and the RG3 move necessitated that we be a little more aggressive than most (like the Bears were after trading for Cutler; they added Peppers and Chester.) It's how you supplement your team in lieu of the draft picks that were given away. |
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I'm definitely down for mike Wallace because Garçon is not a #1 wr.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| turtle28 wrote: | | rizzy wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | MikeT14 wrote: | | I think, before this tidbit, we all knew we paid a significant amount more than anyone else was going to for Garcon. |
Yeah, I know. It's just nice to see some proof. |
Didn't San Diego offer him the same exact deal as us? |
I thought it was similar but not quite as good.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4945/pierre-garcon
| Quote: | The St. Paul Pioneer Press reports the Vikings made a "strong push" to sign Pierre Garcon before he landed a five-year, $42.5 million deal from the Redskins.
We now know Garcon drew serious interest from the Vikings, Browns and Rams before signing with Washington, which goes a long way toward explaining how he was able to bring home such a lucrative contract. Garcon could end up being one of the league's most overpaid players in Washington. Per beat writer Tom Pelissero, the Vikings thought the Redskins' offer to Garcon was "crazy." Mar 27 - 10:14 AM
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Well I thought the Vikings offer to Ponder was "crazy". Yawwwnnnn
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| DCRED wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | rizzy wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | MikeT14 wrote: | | I think, before this tidbit, we all knew we paid a significant amount more than anyone else was going to for Garcon. |
Yeah, I know. It's just nice to see some proof. |
Didn't San Diego offer him the same exact deal as us? |
I thought it was similar but not quite as good.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4945/pierre-garcon
| Quote: | The St. Paul Pioneer Press reports the Vikings made a "strong push" to sign Pierre Garcon before he landed a five-year, $42.5 million deal from the Redskins.
We now know Garcon drew serious interest from the Vikings, Browns and Rams before signing with Washington, which goes a long way toward explaining how he was able to bring home such a lucrative contract. Garcon could end up being one of the league's most overpaid players in Washington. Per beat writer Tom Pelissero, the Vikings thought the Redskins' offer to Garcon was "crazy." Mar 27 - 10:14 AM
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Well I thought the Vikings offer to Ponder was "crazy". Yawwwnnnn |
You mean when they drafted him? They had to offer him a contract within a certain range based on where he was selected because of the cba and the new rookie wage scale.
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I think he was just generalizing that they drafted Ponder...
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| MikeT14 wrote: | | I think he was just generalizing that they drafted Ponder... |
Yeah I think also, that's why I asked the question. I don't really see the relevance though the draft and offering a contract to a free agent are two different things. Especially with the rookie wage scale now.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Skinsfan13 - please fix your avatar size. Its too big!
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| Thaiphoon wrote: | | Skinsfan13 - please fix your avatar size. Its too big! |
Damn beat me to it! Lol, I came into the thread and noticed a lot of space in my avatar area and was like wtf! Lol
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| turtle28 wrote: | | MikeT14 wrote: | | I think he was just generalizing that they drafted Ponder... |
Yeah I think also, that's why I asked the question. I don't really see the relevance though the draft and offering a contract to a free agent are two different things. Especially with the rookie wage scale now. |
Well I'll spell it out for you.  Drafting Ponder that high (and having to pay him the slotted salary you mentioned, Round 1, pick 12) instead of a 2nd round tender was considered too high by most teams and analysts. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/29/ponder-bothered-by-trent-dilfers-post-draft-criticism/ | Quote: | | Most draft observers considered the Vikings’ selection of quarterback Christian Ponder to be a reach, maybe even the biggest of round one |
. They drastically needed a QB after McNabb FAILED HORRIBLY. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/vikings-cut-donovan-mcnabb-is-the-windy-city-in-his-future?urn=nfl,wp12951 | Quote: | | If the Donovan McNabb era in Washington was a failure, his time in Minnesota should be classified as a disaster |
.and was benched there just like he was in Washington(and later cut, whereas at least we got a draft pick for the scrub). But they paid quite more a bit at Pick 12 than what they would have if they drafted Ponder in Round 2 like most believed was where he would go. (at one point his own agent even thought he was a Round 3 grade)
There is also relevance in the irony that Minnesota can make questionable moves such as drafting Ponder high and overpaying him and yet think that paying what we did for a young WR that even Bill Polian called a "good move by the Redskins" is "crazy". I would believe the opinion of the GM and team who drafted and developed him before a team who has not had him in their locker room anyway.
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It's still a stretch. Great to hear from Polian, he's become the new Charlie Casserly. Polian has Manning fall in his lap and all of a sudden he's the gospel on personnel decisions? I guess he drafted and developed Garçon and the colts and manning turned him into a #2 wr who's getting paid #1 $, good, great, grand, Wonderful! 
Yes, the Vikings reached for Ponder, but IMO that had nothing to do with McNabb, that's a straight up stretch. Ponder was drafted before McNabb was signed because the draft happened first. Qbs are usually reached for anyways because a lot of teams need them. They reached for Ponder because they didn't think he'd be around at pick 44 and I'd have to say I agree with them on that and on draft day they definitely needed a qb.
I don't consider reaching 20 picks on a college football prospect the same as over paying a free agent by about 20 million dollars.
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