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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:36 pm    Post subject: Clark says - most talented secondary I've been on Reply with quote

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000370323/article/ryan-clark-redskins-secondary-most-talented-ive-been-around

I think Clark has too many hits to the head.

The Redskins with him, Sean Taylor, Walt Harris, and Carlos Rogers were more talented and the steelers with Troy Polumalu, him & Ike Taylor were also more talented.

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"The biggest thing is talent. It's the most talented secondary I've been around," Clark told NFL Media's Jeff Darlington. "It's the most talented group of corners I've ever played with.

"And also, as far as intelligence, we don't have that one guy that's from Mars with the long hair (Troy Polamalu), but Brandon (Meriweather) is a guy who's been to the Pro Bowl, guy who was a first-round pick, so I think talent-wise, we're there."

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is the most talented group of corners he's ever played with.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Players say things like this all the time so I would take it with a grain of salt. That said, we do have a good bit of talent in the secondary. Amerson and Hall is a talented pair of corners. And Merriweather was once a pro bowler and by all accounts finally gets it. He's always had the talent. Add in Breeland, Thomas, Rambo, Porter, etc. and it's not a bad group. We will see how it comes together.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Clark says - most talented secondary I've been on Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000370323/article/ryan-clark-redskins-secondary-most-talented-ive-been-around

I think Clark has too many hits to the head.

The Redskins with him, Sean Taylor, Walt Harris, and Carlos Rogers were more talented and the steelers with Troy Polumalu, him & Ike Taylor were also more talented.

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"The biggest thing is talent. It's the most talented secondary I've been around," Clark told NFL Media's Jeff Darlington. "It's the most talented group of corners I've ever played with.

"And also, as far as intelligence, we don't have that one guy that's from Mars with the long hair (Troy Polamalu), but Brandon (Meriweather) is a guy who's been to the Pro Bowl, guy who was a first-round pick, so I think talent-wise, we're there."


You're right/ way too many hits !!! Go to the booth Clark!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MKnight82 wrote:
I think it is the most talented group of corners he's ever played with.
Ike Taylor, William Gay, Keenan Lewis, and Cortez Allen is a better corner group than ours, then you throw in Polumalu...

Redskins in 04: Shawn Springs, Fred Smoot & Walt Harris
Redskins in 05: Shawn Springs, Walt Harris & Carlos Rogers.

These two years were better than our current top 3 and you throw in Sean Taylor?

Come on man. You can't be serious... Confused

And those three secondaries were a main reason why each of those defenses were top 5 in the NFL.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. He's trying to be a leader. He's probably seen the secondary get completely thrashed repeatedly for most of the offseason, not just by the media, but by this own franchise's fans. So, yes, it's a bit of "rah rah" but hey, that's part of why we brought him in. Locker room/veteran presence.

2. One thing that Grant Paulsen was hinting at on WJFK today was that its possible that Clark may be talking in terms of talent ceiling. He may look at the guys we have and think, "top to bottom, this is the best group I've seen if they reach their pinnacle."

I have to say, turtle28, I'm a bit surprised that you as one of the most "rah rah" guys has a problem with this. No, that's not me calling you out; it's just not how you usually roll. Caught me off guard.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1. He's trying to be a leader. He's probably seen the secondary get completely thrashed repeatedly for most of the offseason, not just by the media, but by this own franchise's fans. So, yes, it's a bit of "rah rah" but hey, that's part of why we brought him in. Locker room/veteran presence.

2. One thing that Grant Paulsen was hinting at on WJFK today was that its possible that Clark may be talking in terms of talent ceiling. He may look at the guys we have and think, "top to bottom, this is the best group I've seen if they reach their pinnacle."

I have to say, turtle28, I'm a bit surprised that you as one of the most "rah rah" guys has a problem with this. No, that's not me calling you out; it's just not how you usually roll. Caught me off guard.
Well, it's not that I don't think our secondary has potential to be the best one we've had since 07 or 08, I just have to be honest and always say what I feel. And in no way, do I believe his statement to be a true statement.

I do agree with you're two points though, and I didn't think about our secondaries potential with the young talent.
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04 shoulda been his best secondary
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Dashing wrote:
04 shoulda been his best secondary
Yeah, I tend to agree or 05 when Rogers was our #3 corner. The starters were Springs &
Harris and the FS was ST.

Both those secondaries were amazing.
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What exactly do you want him to say? "Well we are going to be below average. Somewhere between 28-32. Hopefully we can score enough points to cover up how inept we are." The guy is trying to inspire his teammates and get them believing that they can compete. It's called being a leader! SMH
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What exactly do you want him to say? "Well we are going to be below average. Somewhere between 28-32. Hopefully we can score enough points to cover up how inept we are." The guy is trying to inspire his teammates and get them believing that they can compete. It's called being a leader! SMH


May I'm old school but I'd prefer our team less talking how great they are in the offseason and instead show it during the season. Never saw guys run their mouths so much under Gibbs 1 when we were really good
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What exactly do you want him to say? "Well we are going to be below average. Somewhere between 28-32. Hopefully we can score enough points to cover up how inept we are." The guy is trying to inspire his teammates and get them believing that they can compete. It's called being a leader! SMH


May I'm old school but I'd prefer our team less talking how great they are in the offseason and instead show it during the season. Never saw guys run their mouths so much under Gibbs 1 when we were really good
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Marcus21 wrote:
What exactly do you want him to say? "Well we are going to be below average. Somewhere between 28-32. Hopefully we can score enough points to cover up how inept we are." The guy is trying to inspire his teammates and get them believing that they can compete. It's called being a leader! SMH


May I'm old school but I'd prefer our team less talking how great they are in the offseason and instead show it during the season. Never saw guys run their mouths so much under Gibbs 1 when we were really good
So. John Riggins, Joe Theisman and Gary Clark didn't run their mouths?

I highly disagree. The difference between the 1980s through the 2000s and today is there are so many more ways to get information out. It's not just newspapers, radio, network tv and magazines anymore.

There are multiple 24 hour sports networks and thousands of reporters, websites, and blogs so they catch everything a player says and it somehow becomes news, even if it really isn't news.
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What exactly do you want him to say? "Well we are going to be below average. Somewhere between 28-32. Hopefully we can score enough points to cover up how inept we are." The guy is trying to inspire his teammates and get them believing that they can compete. It's called being a leader! SMH


May I'm old school but I'd prefer our team less talking how great they are in the offseason and instead show it during the season. Never saw guys run their mouths so much under Gibbs 1 when we were really good
So. John Riggins, Joe Theisman and Gary Clark didn't run their mouths?

I highly disagree. The difference between the 1980s through the 2000s and today is there are so many more ways to get information out. It's not just newspapers, radio, network tv and magazines anymore.

There are multiple 24 hour sports networks and thousands of reporters, websites, and blogs so they catch everything a player says and it somehow becomes news, even if it really isn't news.


Perhaps those are factors, but there are all of those same things up in the New england area and as I spend quite a lot of my time there, you never hear the Patriots claiming they will win the Super Bowl or even their division (Grossman), break every offensive record (Garcon), We have the best WR in the league (Jackson), our offense is very very good and very very scary( again Jackson), and Clark's event statements What they do in NE is underplay everything and accurately point out that every team they play has a chance to beat the unless they play their best. whereas here we are almost trying to market ourselves how great we are and that makes it even more embarrassing when they sh*T the bed like they did last year.

We are all fans and want them to win the Super Bowl every year, but as fans we can be almost delusional and overlook our weaknesses on the OL and DL, DB's and a brand new system with a brand new coach with a QB who has never been a drop back passer. I'd like our team leaders to be a bit more humble and speak softly and then go kick some a&& during the season.
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Perhaps those are factors, but there are all of those same things up in the New england area and as I spend quite a lot of my time there, you never hear the Patriots claiming they will win the Super Bowl or even their division (Grossman), break every offensive record (Garcon), We have the best WR in the league (Jackson), our offense is very very good and very very scary( again Jackson), and Clark's event statements What they do in NE is underplay everything and accurately point out that every team they play has a chance to beat the unless they play their best. whereas here we are almost trying to market ourselves how great we are and that makes it even more embarrassing when they sh*T the bed like they did last year.


Because the Patriots are on top of the mountain. They don't have to psyche themselves up because they've been there for how long? Since 2001, they have only lost their division twice. Think about that. In both of those years, they had winning records (though missed the playoffs). That's an incredible run.

As such, they don't have to say a thing because it is expected of them.

For us? We're at the bottom of the mountain, and have been for some time. We got a glimmer of peak, but then things went to crap. We've been unfairly penalized and had to put a mortgage on the future to try and pull ourselves up. As such, we've had to cut corners.

So, we kind of need to talk.

I don't blame Clark for sticking up for his teammates. Like Marcus21 said, do you expect him to say these guys are a bunch of stiffs who shouldn't even play the game? He's going to talk them up because that's what he does and what he was brought here to do.

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We are all fans and want them to win the Super Bowl every year, but as fans we can be almost delusional and overlook our weaknesses on the OL and DL, DB's and a brand new system with a brand new coach with a QB who has never been a drop back passer. I'd like our team leaders to be a bit more humble and speak softly and then go kick some a&& during the season.


There may be other places where the fans are delusional and believe that we're Super Bowl bound every year. Around here, we've been complaining for years for OL and DL. Even when we addressed it this offseason, I've still been belly-aching that they didn't really fix the problem. I worry that it's yet another whirligig for us with Jay Gruden, who will be gone in two or three years.

That said, I don't care at all that Clark said it. Was he wrong? Objectively, most likely. He still said it because that's part of his job.
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