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| The Gnat wrote: | | I think that people do forget though that the Carlson deal is not a 5 year deal, it was a two year commitment to him, after two years, if he isn't cutting it, or is injured again, he can be cut with no repercussions |
What about that doesn't make that decision out to be a mistake, again? Allocating that commitment to that player and position while not addressing any other (meaningfully) is quite frankly laughable. |
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PrplChilPill
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So, the contract is really a success if he fails, but isn't as good if he succeeds? And we should look at Garcon's full deal as comparison?
Look, they allocated a high pick to a TE, and used their only big move in FA this year on a TE.....I just can't see how that is a good allocation of resources.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| It's just amazing how people refuse to look at things objectively. I get that we're all fans of this team and want to see them do well, but honestly. At a certain point there should come a time to look at what's put in front of you and form an opinion... |
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Vikefan79
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What's wrong with signing a young TE with a wealth of potential who can catch and block for an offense that likes to run 2 TE sets? He's been cleared by teams doctors and stated that he is back to 100%. It's not a deal that broke the bank and it won't handicap us in the future.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Vikefan79 wrote: | | What's wrong with signing a young TE with a wealth of potential who can catch and block for an offense that likes to run 2 TE sets? He's been cleared by teams doctors and stated that he is back to 100%. It's not a deal that broke the bank and it won't handicap us in the future. |
Well, nothing, if you have more than 1 healthy CB and 1 Safety and 1 OG and 1 OT and 1 WR. Having 3 CBs is a lot more important than 2 TEs.
he's not young, he's in the prime age right now.
he just missed a year
Kevin boss cost less, and can actually block and sort of catch
TEs are easier to find in round 3+ than those other positions
It's about how you use your resources. Do you think they could find a league average TE in later rounds, or a league average DB / WR in later rounds?
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| i would have preferred Boss at his price as well, he is a much better blocker, and was much cheaper. though Carlson adds a lot more value as a receiver, and that seems to be what the vikings were going for. if Carlson doesnt work out, they can cut him after year 2 and it really wasnt that costly of a signing. |
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Vikefan79
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| PrplChilPill wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | What's wrong with signing a young TE with a wealth of potential who can catch and block for an offense that likes to run 2 TE sets? He's been cleared by teams doctors and stated that he is back to 100%. It's not a deal that broke the bank and it won't handicap us in the future. |
Well, nothing, if you have more than 1 healthy CB and 1 Safety and 1 OG and 1 OT and 1 WR. Having 3 CBs is a lot more important than 2 TEs.
he's not young, he's in the prime age right now.
he just missed a year
Kevin boss cost less, and can actually block and sort of catch
TEs are easier to find in round 3+ than those other positions
It's about how you use your resources. Do you think they could find a league average TE in later rounds, or a league average DB / WR in later rounds? |
Seattle fans were pretty adamant that Carlson could block well and some of those holes will be addressed with the 10 picks we have in the draft.
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | I have to strongly disagree. Berrian never once had a 125,150+ yard game with a QB as terrible as Curtis Painter playing.
Garcon has shown true flashes of a dominate number 1. He has has more consistent production then Berrian had coming in. I just don't see where that's mediocre. Maybe not elite, but mediocre is just over blown. |
Put a list of the top 32 starting #1 WRs. Is he top 10, top 15, top 20. Wouldnt him being a mediocre starting WR put him around the 15th ranking. Surely, there are 15 #1 WRs out there who are better at this present time, unless I am wrong. I havent really put a ranking together in awhile, so maybe I am. I just dont know if I can call Garcon a top 16 WR, yet his pay suggests that he is probably a top 10 WR. That is the danger in free agency. Maybe the word mediocre is harsh, but relative to his peers, is he average. Average is fairly mediocre, is it not. But I guess if you had a league of 16 Calvin Johnson's, someone has to be ranked 16th.  |
Of course he's not there, yet. But what I am saying is he is getting there and has shown promising things in the mean time. It doesn't help to have Curtis Painter as your starting QB in your 3rd year. The Year when WRs make it or break it. I'd like to see Calvin Johnson tear the league apart with Painter.
What's attractive about Garcon is his age, durability, and promising out look. You are bidding on a guy who has number 1 potential given a full season as a number 1, with a legit QB.
His 2nd and 3rd year, he was still the 2nd or 3rd option at WR. He's never had a true year as a number 1, with a legit QB.
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what's all the yak about Garcon? we made a play for him and he's not on the team.
it used to be the criticism that Spielman doesn't TRY to get FA's signed. now knowing he did try to get Garcon, the criticism is he didn't overpay for him?
Garcon has not yet earned the paycheck WASH has invested in him. he might, he might not yet. but any yak that he is worth those kind of dollars is pure speculation as to how he might turn out.
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Vikefan79
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| vike daddy wrote: | what's all the yak about Garcon? we made a play for him and he's not on the team.
it used to be the criticism that Spielman doesn't TRY to get FA's signed. now knowing he did try to get Garcon, the criticism is he didn't overpay for him?
Garcon has not yet earned the paycheck WASH has invested in him. he might, he might not yet. but any yak that he is worth those kind of dollars is pure speculation as to how he might turn out. |
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| vike daddy wrote: | what's all the yak about Garcon? we made a play for him and he's not on the team.
it used to be the criticism that Spielman doesn't TRY to get FA's signed. now knowing he did try to get Garcon, the criticism is he didn't overpay for him?
Garcon has not yet earned the paycheck WASH has invested in him. he might, he might not yet. but any yak that he is worth those kind of dollars is pure speculation as to how he might turn out. |
Show me where I complained about not signing him? I simply said I would over pay for him based on what I think he can do as a number 1. That's all.
I'm just happy that FO feels that WR is a big need. But not just any WR, a true number 1.
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Zephiel
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| I am SO glad we didn't pay more than Washington for Garcon. Their deal was entirely too much for a relatively unproven player. |
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Frank Costello
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Well I guess Percy Harvin is unproven then too. 
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | Well I guess Percy Harvin is unproven then too. |
He's a former Gator he sucks! 
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Frank Costello
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| Vikefan79 wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | Well I guess Percy Harvin is unproven then too. |
He's a former Gator he sucks! |
Don't make me go 'Frank Costello' on you 79!!!
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