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 Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: Gregg Williams Tapes |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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I feel bad for this franchise for ever being associated with that trash. Burn in hell Williams
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titans_5
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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to think this is an isolated incident is just ignorant.... it is highly probable that this goes on in many locker rooms in the nfl.. football breeds a culture of violence.
I love the sport but to act like this is the only time this has ever happened is ignoring the big picture |
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MdTitansFan56
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He should be banned for life... Tim Hasselbeck trying to say it happens all the time. How the heck would he know he's a freaking bum
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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I used to LOVE this guy, and was pining for him to rejoin the Titans before the Saints got him. But after the whole N.O. scandal I lost all respect for him and to actually hear the things said on that tape made it even worse. If I was one of his players listening to that BS, I'd get sick to my stomach and probably demand to be traded, but that's just me. I agree, he should be banned for life. I'm all for ruthless aggression, tough physical play and putting fear in your opponents within means, but willingly trying to injure other players is downright inexcusable to no ends. There's no place in the NFL for it or in any sport for that matter, and there's no place in the league for people like Gregg Williams. Have a nice life Gregg in whatever career you venture into.
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Chocolateman78
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| MdTitansFan56 wrote: | | He should be banned for life... Tim Hasselbeck trying to say it happens all the time. How the heck would he know he's a freaking bum |
maybe because he spent 7 seasons in the NFL with 3 different teams including the Redskins during Williams first year as DC.
We live in a culture that glorifies the "jacked up" hits in the NFL. Those same hits that shorten and end careers. Banned for life? Hop off the soap box dude. There are felons in the NFL, who've served mid-career prison sentences and they've been given a second chance. Dontae Stallworth killed a man while driving drunk, and not only is he NOT in jail, hes playing for the Patriots. People hear things like this and wanna act appalled and hop on their soap boxes. We all cheer the type of defense the Saints play and coaches like Greg Williams employ. This is the nature of the game we love. There are 1000's of Greg Williams coaching at every level of football.
Is what he was encouraging wrong? yea it was. But singling Williams out as the lone scapegoat serves nothing but to fulfill societies need to finger point. He got caught, let him do his time and let him come back. just like we let all the rapists, dog killers, wife beaters, drug dealers and other criminals around the league come back.
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Wilky
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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I was more appalled by how lowlife and foulmouth his language was than by what he was saying.
When he started talking about taking out ACLs, then I started getting angry. That crap doesn't have any place in any game at any level.
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MdTitansFan56
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| Chocolateman78 wrote: | | MdTitansFan56 wrote: | | He should be banned for life... Tim Hasselbeck trying to say it happens all the time. How the heck would he know he's a freaking bum |
maybe because he spent 7 seasons in the NFL with 3 different teams including the Redskins during Williams first year as DC.
We live in a culture that glorifies the "jacked up" hits in the NFL. Those same hits that shorten and end careers. Banned for life? Hop off the soap box dude. There are felons in the NFL, who've served mid-career prison sentences and they've been given a second chance. Dontae Stallworth killed a man while driving drunk, and not only is he NOT in jail, hes playing for the Patriots. People hear things like this and wanna act appalled and hop on their soap boxes. We all cheer the type of defense the Saints play and coaches like Greg Williams employ. This is the nature of the game we love. There are 1000's of Greg Williams coaching at every level of football.
Is what he was encouraging wrong? yea it was. But singling Williams out as the lone scapegoat serves nothing but to fulfill societies need to finger point. He got caught, let him do his time and let him come back. just like we let all the rapists, dog killers, wife beaters, drug dealers and other criminals around the league come back. |
I honestly did not know Hasselbeck lasted that long.
I'm sticking with hime being banned for life. I know Stallworth is still playing I've always thought his situation was total b/s. He should have done more jail time than 30 days shouldn't be back in the league, Burress shot himself in the leg but because a permit got longer jail time and suspension. Granted I love big hits and all but not illegal hits as in late like he is going for. No place in the game should coaches be motivating his team to take out someones acl, or shoot for concussions. Every pile you mess with the head everyone on the pile. Can't get on board with letting him in the league again, that's me he'll be back in a year or so.
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titanrick
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Chocolateman78 wrote: | | There are felons in the NFL, who've served mid-career prison sentences and they've been given a second chance. Dontae Stallworth killed a man while driving drunk, and not only is he NOT in jail, hes playing for the Patriots. |
| MdTitansFan56 wrote: | | I know Stallworth is still playing I've always thought his situation was total b/s. He should have done more jail time than 30 days shouldn't be back in the league, Burress shot himself in the leg but because a permit got longer jail time and suspension. |
I think there's a misconception that the NFL is responsible for punishing its athletes for criminal acts. I disagree - that is the job of the legal system. I think NFL punishments are intended solely for actions that hurt the NFL. Sometimes, as in the cases of Stallworth and Burress, the manner in which they hurt the NFL is being convicted of an illegal act. But that doesn't mean the NFL punishment is meant to deal justly with the crime. That's why a guy like Williams (or even going back to Big Ben), who did nothing illegal, is facing much harsher penalties from the NFL: because his act caused more damage to the NFL than Stallworth getting drunk and getting behind the wheel.
This same argument gets used in other sports and it drives me crazy. "Pete Rose isn't a bad guy - there are much worse crimes than gambling." True - there are far worse crimes, which is why the legal system exists - to dish out punishment for those crimes. But sports leagues have a responsibility to protect the integrity of their sport - not to protect the citizens of America. If you go into this debate thinking sports suspensions should fit the severity of the criminal act, you're missing the point entirely.
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MdTitansFan56
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| titanrick wrote: | | Chocolateman78 wrote: | | There are felons in the NFL, who've served mid-career prison sentences and they've been given a second chance. Dontae Stallworth killed a man while driving drunk, and not only is he NOT in jail, hes playing for the Patriots. |
| MdTitansFan56 wrote: | | I know Stallworth is still playing I've always thought his situation was total b/s. He should have done more jail time than 30 days shouldn't be back in the league, Burress shot himself in the leg but because a permit got longer jail time and suspension. |
I think there's a misconception that the NFL is responsible for punishing its athletes for criminal acts. I disagree - that is the job of the legal system. I think NFL punishments are intended solely for actions that hurt the NFL. Sometimes, as in the cases of Stallworth and Burress, the manner in which they hurt the NFL is being convicted of an illegal act. But that doesn't mean the NFL punishment is meant to deal justly with the crime. That's why a guy like Williams (or even going back to Big Ben), who did nothing illegal, is facing much harsher penalties from the NFL: because his act caused more damage to the NFL than Stallworth getting drunk and getting behind the wheel.
This same argument gets used in other sports and it drives me crazy. "Pete Rose isn't a bad guy - there are much worse crimes than gambling." True - there are far worse crimes, which is why the legal system exists - to dish out punishment for those crimes. But sports leagues have a responsibility to protect the integrity of their sport - not to protect the citizens of America. If you go into this debate thinking sports suspensions should fit the severity of the criminal act, you're missing the point entirely. |
Never thought of it in that way. Then I have a problem with the justice system to haha
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Obviously Stallworth was 110% wrong for drinking and driving, but wasn't his sentence short because the guy that he killed was known by his family to have been suicidal and the guy pretty much jumped into Stallworth's car in the middle of some random road?
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| deeluxx3 wrote: | | Obviously Stallworth was 110% wrong for drinking and driving, but wasn't his sentence short because the guy that he killed was known by his family to have been suicidal and the guy pretty much jumped into Stallworth's car in the middle of some random road? |
Pretty sure the guy he ran over was drunk as well.
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| titansNvolsR#1 wrote: | | deeluxx3 wrote: | | Obviously Stallworth was 110% wrong for drinking and driving, but wasn't his sentence short because the guy that he killed was known by his family to have been suicidal and the guy pretty much jumped into Stallworth's car in the middle of some random road? |
Pretty sure the guy he ran over was drunk as well. |
Pretty sure that the family also is / has gotten compensation from him.
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| MdTitansFan56 wrote: | | Never thought of it in that way. Then I have a problem with the justice system to haha |
It sure ain't perfect, but unfortunately it's a discussion we can't have here.
I do agree with Choc (and others) that this is a largely a part of the game. Gregg Williams is not, as Cowherd so humorously put it, "a rogue coach who printed a security badge off the Internet and went nuts in front of the team." He's just the example that the NFL will use to try to curb back the violence of an inherently and essentially violent sport.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| titanrick wrote: | | MdTitansFan56 wrote: | | Never thought of it in that way. Then I have a problem with the justice system to haha |
It sure ain't perfect, but unfortunately it's a discussion we can't have here.
I do agree with Choc (and others) that this is a largely a part of the game. Gregg Williams is not, as Cowherd so humorously put it, "a rogue coach who printed a security badge off the Internet and went nuts in front of the team." He's just the example that the NFL will use to try to curb back the violence of an inherently and essentially violent sport. |
I agree it's part of the game as well. I know coaches motivate in their own ways but with the bounty system on top of him reference specific injuries like that of Kyle Williams who has had concussion problems, rubbing his fingers together to say I got you who ever gets the first injury and saying take out his acl. Hit the head everytime in the pile that's threatening careers. I'm fine with the put his ankles over the pile thats just blowing him up, the we want Frank Gores head side ways can be taken we want him running east and west fine, even if he went on to say take his head off that wouldn't be literally thats just blow someone up. But the take out Crabtree's ACL, hit Gores head in piles, test Williams with his concussion, that's the part where I feel as though he should be banned for life but that's me.
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