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UofMfan909
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You can't discredit Bure for his competition unless you're discounting Sakic, Lemieux, Yzerman, Jagr, etc. too. He had an obviously Russian game - his speed is obviously legendary, but he combined that with great puck possession and overall goal scoring talent. He was possibly the most exciting player of his era, which should go a long way towards induction when you consider who he played with.
Also, I completely forgot about his trade demand from Vancouver as a character issue, but I think it's a non factor. Just bringing it up before Birds does to contradict the clean record point.
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milanb
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| UofMfan909 wrote: | | Only four male players get in per year, I think. I'd go Shanny, Sakic, Bure, and that's probably it. Sundin, Roenick and Naslund aren't first balloters (although Mats is one of my all time favorites), and Lindros and Oates are borderline. |
The one player conspicuously missing from the Hockey HOF is Guy Carbonneau. Very great checking forward. A key part of two Stanley Cup winners, then played on a third Cup winner late in his career. It would be a travesty if Naslund, Sundin, Roenick or Oates got in ahead of him.
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redsoxsuck05
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| steelcurtain29 wrote: | Maybe I'm overlooking thing, but I can't help but to feel Bure was severely overrated.
He has amazing speed and hands, but how many highlights do you see where he's just pushing the puck ahead and outrunning guys?
Grabner tried this. It worked for one season. That's it.
Bure was amazingly fast, but the lack of skill and skating ability from guys 20 years ago and even more so before that are the reason he looked so dominant. |
Grabner is a bad example because Bure's hands were far FAR better.
And remember this guy was putting up 60 goals in the dead puck era. That ain't easy.
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flyers0909
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sakic, Oates, Sundin, and Bure made it in.
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UofMfan909
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Shocked Shanny didn't get in but Sundin did.
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BirdsFan06050
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Wow. I forgot about Oates, but he was overdue. He's been eligible since 2007 too.
Shanny and Lindros snubbed but the limit per year is there for good reason.
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milanb
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| UofMfan909 wrote: | | Shocked Shanny didn't get in but Sundin did. |
Sundin played for the Leafs.
See: Doug Gilmour, Darryl Sittler, Lanny McDonald, Borje Salming.
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flyers0909
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hell of a day for Adam Oates.
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BirdsFan06050
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Hull and Oates. One of the best 1-2 scoring punches.
Look at Hull's stats with and without Oates and it's easy to see why the latter is HHOF worthy. Without question one of the best pure playmaking centers the game has ever seen.
Congrats to Sakic, Bure, and Sundin too. A tremendous honor.
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dotmotion
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Nice to see Bure get in. Really exciting player that got me hooked on hockey in the first place.
Surprised Shanny didn't get it but he'll definitely get in soon.
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UofMfan909
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| milanb wrote: | | UofMfan909 wrote: | | Shocked Shanny didn't get in but Sundin did. |
Sundin played for the Leafs.
See: Doug Gilmour, Darryl Sittler, Lanny McDonald, Borje Salming. |
And of course everybody loves Dick Duff.
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milanb
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| UofMfan909 wrote: | | milanb wrote: | | UofMfan909 wrote: | | Shocked Shanny didn't get in but Sundin did. |
Sundin played for the Leafs.
See: Doug Gilmour, Darryl Sittler, Lanny McDonald, Borje Salming. |
And of course everybody loves Dick Duff. |
At least least Duff played on six Stanley Cup winners.
Gilmour, Sittler, McDonald and Salming between them have two Stanley Cups (Gilmour and McDonald were both on the 1989 Calgary Flames), one 50-goal season, zero scoring titles, zero Hart Trophies, zero Norris Trophies for Salming, zero Conn Smythe Trophies. Gilmour won the Selke Trophy once (Guy Cabonneau won it three times).
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BLick12
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| BirdsFan06050 wrote: | Hull and Oates. One of the best 1-2 scoring punches.
Look at Hull's stats with and without Oates and it's easy to see why the latter is HHOF worthy. Without question one of the best pure playmaking centers the game has ever seen.
Congrats to Sakic, Bure, and Sundin too. A tremendous honor. |
They were totally better musicians than hockey players.
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Another Ginger QB in the AFC North.
Looking forward to the "No Soul Bowl" twice a year
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BLick12
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| UofMfan909 wrote: | | milanb wrote: | | UofMfan909 wrote: | | Shocked Shanny didn't get in but Sundin did. |
Sundin played for the Leafs.
See: Doug Gilmour, Darryl Sittler, Lanny McDonald, Borje Salming. |
And of course everybody loves Dick Duff. |
For obvious reasons.
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| johndeere1707 wrote: |
Another Ginger QB in the AFC North.
Looking forward to the "No Soul Bowl" twice a year
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BLick12
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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So who is eligible next year?
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| johndeere1707 wrote: |
Another Ginger QB in the AFC North.
Looking forward to the "No Soul Bowl" twice a year
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