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Madtown
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This thread has turned into crazy talk. I took this idea to the NFL Gen knowing that it was going to get slammed, but I wanted to feel how far it would go at a national level. I really can't believe that GBP fans took this as a "who is better", which it iwas clearly not. It was about positional value. Carry that forward... did Finley have the season I thought he would have? Not even close.
I know Finley was injured last year, but I had the same thoughts of him as I do with Gronk and Jimmy Graham. Without much research, I would take both of those guys over Fitz given positional value, even though I regard Fitz as one of the best in the game. If I could keep Finley and resign Jordy for the same amount as having Finley on the books then I think Finley is more VALUABLE.
I guess the conversation really went back to is the WR overvalued compared to the value of the new hybrid TE types. I still say yes it is. |
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Madtown
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:03 am Post subject: |
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To make some happy, yes I would concede that Fitz's rating in Madden should be clearly higher than Finley's.
That still doesn't mean I would have chosen to sign Fitz at his price tag over Finley at his...
This year, I'm having more questions about Finley's mental makeup, but that doesn't change the fact that the convo was about positional value |
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Madtown
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| To make things more complicated, would also rather drop J-Mike than Jennings. Unlike Waldo, I think Jennings is more valuable than J-mike. Jennings is never going to get a Fitz/A Johnson contract because of the measurables. Just something else to factor in |
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Madtown
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| To even over-simplify things... who's the FA that'd make the Packers the best? Mario Williams? Maybe. It'd be awesome to see him in Green and Gold, but I don't really wnat that to happen because I know it'd come at the cost of a deficit somewhere else on the team. Same thing with Fittz. He's friggin awesome, but comes with a cost |
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G3RMANATOR
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| incognito_man wrote: | | G3RMANATOR wrote: |
I suggest you read the entire discussion before misconstruing my point. Incognito said and I quote "I would take Finley over Fitzgerald right now. Why? Because I think he helps an offense more." There is nothing about age or contract in that sentence now is there, just the claim that Finley is better than Fitzgerald as an offensive weapon. |
I suggest you read the entire thread so my point will hopefully sink in - though I have my doubts. How many times do i have to quote myself for you to understand this? It's incredibly simple, I honestly cannot understand why you can't figure this out...
here's what I said a few posts later to add onto my point:
| Quote: | If you think this thread is comparing the two, you've completely missed the spirit of this thread. It isn't to compare their pasts, it's to look at their futures, i.e. "Who would you rather have [going forward]".
Of which there are clear leans in Finley's direction, namely age and price. Which, when combined with other factors such as talent and likely future production, make for a good comparison for those with keen eyes. |
I also stated that I know Fitzgerald is more skilled than Finley.
So yeah, Finley, IMO, offers more to a team (offense) than Fitzgerald does due to a combination of his ability, his price and his youth. You keep ignoring 2 of the 3 factors to argue your stupid strawman that everyone can see through.
I don't know why you continue to do this except to troll. It's super annoying. |
I'm trolling? I'm not the one who brought up that quote in the first place so I don't know what your talking about. Idk why your trying to retract that comment from what it actually is, you said you liked Finley based on as an offensive weapon, there was nothing about price or age in your quote. Its alright man, you made a mistake, I'm just asking you to man up to it. I mean come on, if someone asks you to name your top 10 wide receivers, are you going to put Hakeem Nicks one because of his contract, please.
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Mattwaukee
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:23 am Post subject: |
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It's funny you say we may have over paid for Finley, but wait till you see next years and the years after contracts for guys like Gronkowski and Graham, talk about voiding your team of talent, Contracts like their will be over the top. Especially the Patriots who will almost surly have to let Hernandez go. I sure hope we sign Finley to one of those contracts but that would assume he played all the way up to it.
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G3RMANATOR
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Mattwaukee wrote: | | It's funny you say we may have over paid for Finley, but wait till you see next years and the years after contracts for guys like Gronkowski and Graham, talk about voiding your team of talent, Contracts like their will be over the top. Especially the Patriots who will almost surly have to let Hernandez go. I sure hope we sign Finley to one of those contracts but that would assume he played all the way up to it. |
You have no clue how much those guys will be getting paid in the near future. I fully understand why we paid a little more for Finley. It was a 2 year deal and we didn't want him to test the free agent market where he could of been set for life with a long term deal. I totally understand that now its just Finley's play never merited being the highest paid tight end in the next two years.
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Mattwaukee
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Just watch how big Gronkowski's and Graham's are. When you set a record like those two did, your gonna break the bank.
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incognito_man
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| G3RMANATOR wrote: |
I'm trolling? I'm not the one who brought up that quote in the first place so I don't know what your talking about. Idk why your trying to retract that comment from what it actually is, you said you liked Finley based on as an offensive weapon, there was nothing about price or age in your quote. Its alright man, you made a mistake, I'm just asking you to man up to it. I mean come on, if someone asks you to name your top 10 wide receivers, are you going to put Hakeem Nicks one because of his contract, please. |
There was nothing about age or price in the one quote he cherry picked, but then when I expanded on those thoughts a few posts later I clarified my position. So you think I'm, NOW, trying to retract a comment when it's perfectly clear what I meant last year based on the comments I made LAST YEAR? Get a clue.
And Hakeem Nicks is a top ten WR. Also not sure what that has to do with anything. |
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