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Almm24
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This is my attempt to break it down lol
Teams that wont be in the running for RG3: Rams, Packers, Vikings, Lions, Giants, Saints, Panthers, Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Bengals, Chargers, Raiders.
The Colts take Luck, Rams trade out, Vikings wont move up, the rest already have a franchise QB or not enough ammo to move up.
Teams unlikely to make the move up: Bears, Falcons, Titans, Ravens, Texans, Jaguars, Bills, 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks.
Unlikely the Titans and Jags take a QB again after drafting one last year. Bills recently gave Fitzpatrick a contract ext. Doubt the Rams will trade down with divison rivals Cards and Seahawks. The rest have a good Qb and not enough ammo to move up.
Maybe: Buccaneers, Cowboys, Eagles, Broncos, Chiefs, Jets.
I think the mystery team will be one of them.
Likely: Redskins, Browns, Dolphins.
These are the usual suspects for RG3. Not mystery teams.
I dont think Cowboys or Eagles will make the move, they already have good qb's but who knows what they will do. I think the Broncos, Chiefs, and Jets are most likely the mystery team. My prediction: the Chiefs sign Manning, and either Browns or Dolphins take Flynn. Broncos stay committed to Tebow. That leaves the Redskins, Browns/Dolphins, and the mystery team ( my guess is Jets) for RG3.
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| Almm24 wrote: | This is my attempt to break it down lol
Teams that wont be in the running for RG3: Rams, Packers, Vikings, Lions, Giants, Saints, Panthers, Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Bengals, Chargers, Raiders.
The Colts take Luck, Rams trade out, Vikings wont move up, the rest already have a franchise QB or not enough ammo to move up.
Teams unlikely to make the move up: Bears, Falcons, Titans, Ravens, Texans, Jaguars, Bills, 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks.
Unlikely the Titans and Jags take a QB again after drafting one last year. Bills recently gave Fitzpatrick a contract ext. Doubt the Rams will trade down with divison rivals Cards and Seahawks. The rest have a good Qb and not enough ammo to move up.
Maybe: Buccaneers, Cowboys, Eagles, Broncos, Chiefs, Jets.
I think the mystery team will be one of them.
Likely: Redskins, Browns, Dolphins.
These are the usual suspects for RG3. Not mystery teams.
I dont think Cowboys or Eagles will make the move, they already have good qb's but who knows what they will do. I think the Broncos, Chiefs, and Jets are most likely the mystery team. My prediction: the Chiefs sign Manning, and either Browns or Dolphins take Flynn. Broncos stay committed to Tebow. That leaves the Redskins, Browns/Dolphins, and the mystery team ( my guess is Jets) for RG3. |
Ok I was watching the news in a customers house earlier because shanny was on there and he said we are the front runners! Ok so the mystery team is us! For him to say this with how they tight lip everything basically says hes ours yall! I cant see this man who has never done anything like this doing this without knowing he is gonna be here! It coulda been redskins nation but I am pretty sure it was regular news but I will try and search the web to give a link so yall can read or hear what I heard
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midniterc
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ripsean21 wrote: |
Ok I was watching the news in a customers house earlier because shanny was on there and he said we are the front runners! Ok so the mystery team is us! For him to say this with how they tight lip everything basically says hes ours yall! I cant see this man who has never done anything like this doing this without knowing he is gonna be here! It coulda been redskins nation but I am pretty sure it was regular news but I will try and search the web to give a link so yall can read or hear what I heard |
How do you know he's not lying. He's done that many times before. |
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ripsean21
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| midniterc wrote: | | ripsean21 wrote: |
Ok I was watching the news in a customers house earlier because shanny was on there and he said we are the front runners! Ok so the mystery team is us! For him to say this with how they tight lip everything basically says hes ours yall! I cant see this man who has never done anything like this doing this without knowing he is gonna be here! It coulda been redskins nation but I am pretty sure it was regular news but I will try and search the web to give a link so yall can read or hear what I heard |
How do you know he's not lying. He's done that many times before. |
Oh he 100% could be and any other time I would think he would be but I just cant believe that a player as all around perfect for the system shanny runs hewould really steer people this far off. Basically if there was some1 even close to everything this guy brings that this sysyem needs I just cant see him really looking elsewhere imo. I personally think we all know whats going on because I personally believe that Shanny thinks this is the best posible player we could have at this position of need in the last 4 years and maybe the next 10. I think he is all in,because he is not taking a chance at some1 else grabbing this kid over him
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| ripsean21 wrote: | | midniterc wrote: | | ripsean21 wrote: |
Ok I was watching the news in a customers house earlier because shanny was on there and he said we are the front runners! Ok so the mystery team is us! For him to say this with how they tight lip everything basically says hes ours yall! I cant see this man who has never done anything like this doing this without knowing he is gonna be here! It coulda been redskins nation but I am pretty sure it was regular news but I will try and search the web to give a link so yall can read or hear what I heard |
How do you know he's not lying. He's done that many times before. |
Oh he 100% could be and any other time I would think he would be but I just cant believe that a player as all around perfect for the system shanny runs hewould really steer people this far off. Basically if there was some1 even close to everything this guy brings that this sysyem needs I just cant see him really looking elsewhere imo. I personally think we all know whats going on because I personally believe that Shanny thinks this is the best posible player we could have at this position of need in the last 4 years and maybe the next 10. I think he is all in,because he is not taking a chance at some1 else grabbing this kid over him |
I would love to see RG3 as a Redskin. But what you are doing is transposing your own opinion onto Shanahan. No guarantee that he feels the same way we do. We don't have the inside info that Shanahan gets. Shanahan might be trying to nudge Miami into the trade up game so that he can trade down and still pick up extra picks and Tannehill. None of us knows the draft plan or the target. I certainly hope its RG3, but we can't assume that Shanahan feels the same way we do. |
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Good point Midniteric, it's a fair point that he and I don't seem to agree very often. If I had my way JC or McNabb would be our qb still, and last year we would have selected more OL. I also think with a qb like JC or McNabb last year or a Kyle orton, we were a playoff team or closer, then we'd be in a more respectable range to draft Tanheill to develop behind JC or McNabb. I also believe if we had handled the McNabb situation with more care he would have agreed to restructure his contract and we wouldn't have had to pay him top 5qb money to keep him. It could have been more in the 8 to 10 million range than the 12 million range. Ahh well *shrugs*
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Woz
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| Almm24 wrote: | This is my attempt to break it down lol
Teams that wont be in the running for RG3: Rams, Packers, Vikings, Lions, Giants, Saints, Panthers, Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Bengals, Chargers, Raiders.
The Colts take Luck, Rams trade out, Vikings wont move up, the rest already have a franchise QB or not enough ammo to move up.
Teams unlikely to make the move up: Bears, Falcons, Titans, Ravens, Texans, Jaguars, Bills, 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks.
Unlikely the Titans and Jags take a QB again after drafting one last year. Bills recently gave Fitzpatrick a contract ext. Doubt the Rams will trade down with divison rivals Cards and Seahawks. The rest have a good Qb and not enough ammo to move up.
Maybe: Buccaneers, Cowboys, Eagles, Broncos, Chiefs, Jets.
I think the mystery team will be one of them.
Likely: Redskins, Browns, Dolphins.
These are the usual suspects for RG3. Not mystery teams.
I dont think Cowboys or Eagles will make the move, they already have good qb's but who knows what they will do. I think the Broncos, Chiefs, and Jets are most likely the mystery team. My prediction: the Chiefs sign Manning, and either Browns or Dolphins take Flynn. Broncos stay committed to Tebow. That leaves the Redskins, Browns/Dolphins, and the mystery team ( my guess is Jets) for RG3. |
I have to say it's a pretty good breakdown ... except ... are those really the teams "you would never expect?"
I mean, the Jets have been rumored to be looking at Manning the entire offseason, and the Chiefs have made their interest known in Peyton as well. There have been plenty of rumors about how they want to improve at the QB position because they are in a position to make a run now.
Denver's a good option because of Tebow (and nominally, RG3 probably could drop into that read option offense). Again, we know that Fox and Elway just put Tebow in to shut up the fan base and then discovered that they had a situation/miracle on their hands. That said, while they've nominated him as their starter, I think neither is totally set on him. So, is that really a team that would be one would never expect?
See, when I see that quote, I think one of two things:
1. Almm24 is right because Peter King would never expect it, not that those of us who obsess over football would never expect it. Except, King is extremely plugged into football. He's essentially once of us who obsesses over the spot and has a lot more connections. So could it mean this "out there" team ...
2. Is really out there. Which leads me to my very, very, very dark horses:
New Orleans and New England.
The Saints are in the midst of the of renegotiating with Drew Brees, and while it is ongoing, I don't think it is going as well as either side would hope. Since this is just a "feeler," might the Saints have made a call to find out what the cost might be? Tom Benson has been the owner since 1985, so he was there when Ditka pulled his "Ditka draft." Could he have asked his folks to find out what the cost was to get an electrifying (and cheaper) talent in RG3? He's done it once before. Yes, he might be vilified by the Saints' fanbase, but that's nothing new for him. The main issue against this option is they don't have anywhere near the firepower since they already traded their 2012 first to ...
New England. Belichick, outside of the Patriot fanbase, is looked upon ... well, if he's not the devil, he's darn close. The Patriots have a history of being the masters of the cold calculus when it comes to determining when to let players go. Yes, they have Tom Brady. Yes, he's the face of the franchise. Yes, he's still a MVP-caliber player.
But for how much longer?
Couldn't you see Belichick making a call to find out if the Rams might consider taking a bounty of picks, even if they are much lower in value than what the Rams would like? Brady's entering the third year of his five year deal. Belichick already went to the QB well once to pick up Ryan Mallett. However, Bill knows what it means to have THE quarterback. Might he have thought, "let's find out what the price is?" |
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Just being random.
But rather than trading the works for RG. Im kinda thinking that with the loss of so many picks the Raiders have used on qbs. To toss a little something at them for Pryor.
Id rather give a 2nd for him, maybe even a 3rd+there 4th back over using 2-1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd on RG.
Maybe trade back on the 6 pick just a little. Go after Floyd, then Zach or a lineman.
Get Pryor some wrs. Those bootlegs the Shans like to do would be dangerous to anybody. Cause the corners are going to have to keep an eye on them. And Pryor is a truckload to bring down should the cb stick with the wrs and he takes off.
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| PARROTHEAD wrote: | Just being random.
But rather than trading the works for RG. Im kinda thinking that with the loss of so many picks the Raiders have used on qbs. To toss a little something at them for Pryor.
Id rather give a 2nd for him, maybe even a 3rd+there 4th back over using 2-1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd on RG.
Maybe trade back on the 6 pick just a little. Go after Floyd, then Zach or a lineman.
Get Pryor some wrs. Those bootlegs the Shans like to do would be dangerous to anybody. Cause the corners are going to have to keep an eye on them. And Pryor is a truckload to bring down should the cb stick with the wrs and he takes off. |
I'd be wary of trading for a chucklehead. |
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| Woz wrote: | | PARROTHEAD wrote: | Just being random.
But rather than trading the works for RG. Im kinda thinking that with the loss of so many picks the Raiders have used on qbs. To toss a little something at them for Pryor.
Id rather give a 2nd for him, maybe even a 3rd+there 4th back over using 2-1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd on RG.
Maybe trade back on the 6 pick just a little. Go after Floyd, then Zach or a lineman.
Get Pryor some wrs. Those bootlegs the Shans like to do would be dangerous to anybody. Cause the corners are going to have to keep an eye on them. And Pryor is a truckload to bring down should the cb stick with the wrs and he takes off. |
I'd be wary of trading for a chucklehead. |
Beyond this, we obviously didn't value Pryor at a 3rd rounder this year, or else we would have taken him in the supplementary draft. And that's when we would have gotten a full year out of him, so it's the equivalent of a future pick --- so it would be more like 4th round value, using the "future pick equals one round lower" rule of thumb.
If they were willing to ditch Pryor for a 5th or lower, I could see us getting involved. But I think they're going to feel compelled to see how that one plays out, given the investment they made.
Related to the prior discussion, I think the only teams who are really in play are CLE, MIA, and us. Anyone else is just picking too low to make a realistic bid that could top anything those teams in the top 8 could offer. And the reality is, if CLE is really committed to getting him, it's basically a foregone conclusion. To top the value of the package they could easily offer (starting with #4 and #22), even we would be forced to give up at least 4 picks --- something like the deal that has been rumored. This is why I really think we should be beating down StL's door right now, while we might be able to hope CLE is considering other options, but that's a discussion for another thread.
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PARROTHEAD
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| Woz wrote: | | PARROTHEAD wrote: | Just being random.
But rather than trading the works for RG. Im kinda thinking that with the loss of so many picks the Raiders have used on qbs. To toss a little something at them for Pryor.
Id rather give a 2nd for him, maybe even a 3rd+there 4th back over using 2-1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd on RG.
Maybe trade back on the 6 pick just a little. Go after Floyd, then Zach or a lineman.
Get Pryor some wrs. Those bootlegs the Shans like to do would be dangerous to anybody. Cause the corners are going to have to keep an eye on them. And Pryor is a truckload to bring down should the cb stick with the wrs and he takes off. |
I'd be wary of trading for a chucklehead. |
Hes a winner chucklehead. If he is a chucklehead.
With riding the pine for once. Having his team use up even more picks to bring Carson in. I believe the reality of the NFL has hit him.
Has a good persona with a team, was always a solid leader on the field. And when the game called for him to put it on his shoulders to make something happen. He did, and he could do just that.
And I dont think the OSU system ever maxed his potential. Now he has a full year of pro coaching, by pro qb coaches and OCs. And working with a guy like Carson with passing. No telling what he might be like now.
Remember Woz. You were the one bringing up RGs big jump compared to previous years. Whos to say Pryor hasnt improved right much since then himself. I think the talent is there to do so. Going all the way back to being the top qb recruit in the nation.
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I'm a OSU fan and I want nothing to do with Pryor, not an option IMO. I wouldn't pick him up if he was a FA to be a qb.
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| PARROTHEAD wrote: | | Woz wrote: | | PARROTHEAD wrote: | Just being random.
But rather than trading the works for RG. Im kinda thinking that with the loss of so many picks the Raiders have used on qbs. To toss a little something at them for Pryor.
Id rather give a 2nd for him, maybe even a 3rd+there 4th back over using 2-1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd on RG.
Maybe trade back on the 6 pick just a little. Go after Floyd, then Zach or a lineman.
Get Pryor some wrs. Those bootlegs the Shans like to do would be dangerous to anybody. Cause the corners are going to have to keep an eye on them. And Pryor is a truckload to bring down should the cb stick with the wrs and he takes off. |
I'd be wary of trading for a chucklehead. |
Hes a winner chucklehead. If he is a chucklehead.
With riding the pine for once. Having his team use up even more picks to bring Carson in. I believe the reality of the NFL has hit him.
Has a good persona with a team, was always a solid leader on the field. And when the game called for him to put it on his shoulders to make something happen. He did, and he could do just that.
And I dont think the OSU system ever maxed his potential. Now he has a full year of pro coaching, by pro qb coaches and OCs. And working with a guy like Carson with passing. No telling what he might be like now.
Remember Woz. You were the one bringing up RGs big jump compared to previous years. Whos to say Pryor hasnt improved right much since then himself. I think the talent is there to do so. Going all the way back to being the top qb recruit in the nation. |
They didn't max his potential becaue he's a spread type/option type qb. Tressel tried to make him into a pro style qb in college and he was inconsistent in doing that, what's changed? The raiders coaching? No thanks
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| PARROTHEAD wrote: | Just being random.
Id rather give a 2nd for him, maybe even a 3rd+there 4th back over using 2-1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd on RG.
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2nd and 3rd for our 4th and Pyror. Deal and Deal. Call up Bruce and make that happen. Drafted pryor for a 3rd and flip him for a 2nd and 3rd without setting foot on the field. I would honestly send Bruce allen a thank you card. |
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I just had a revelation: listening to Chris Russell on Nfl Live talk about Matt Flynn and how he thinks hes still the best option and a qb taken later to develop after that. It got me thinking about the smokescrens that are being thrown up and how Shanahan never shows his cards. I think he's most interested in Flynn and doesn't want anyone to know. He's denying it to some beat reporters but that doesn't mean he doesn't want him, it means e doesn't want the beat reporters to know that they are intersted.
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