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bucsEST96
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| Gruber74 wrote: | | REDandPEWTER wrote: | | RIP Junior Seau. Great player with a great heart. It's sad to see him go that way. I really hope the physcial game of football had nothing to do with this. |
He apparently shot himself in the chest, same as Dave Duerson. Duerson did it that way because he knew he was slipping deeper and deeper into dementia and wanted to preserve his brain for research into concussions. If Seau did it for this reason, the issue could become even more of a dilemma for the league, colleges and even high schools. Can technology help in this matter with safer helmets, etc.? Health and life are more important than the game. |
The hell with him. It's ppl out here with worse issues going on. I'm mean it's football. You know the risk of what you sign up for. And your paid handsomely for it. They pay you millions, pay your health insurance etc etc and then you wanna be paid for injuries after all that?
It's not nearly as important as Fireman, policemen, military etc even (boxers)who's at worse risk and you see them suing the system at the rate these nfl ppl are crying at. It's all a money grab by older players because they're jealous how much the players of today make and/or they blew their money |
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bucsEST96
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Buccaneers announced signing of DT Gary Gibson, cutting WR Raymond Webber, who's been claimed by Seattle, and cut DT John McCargo
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If NFLPA wins this legal fight, which it could, Aqib Talib cannot be disciplined by Roger Goodell for his assault charge unless found guilty |
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| bucsEST96 wrote: | Quote:
If NFLPA wins this legal fight, which it could, Aqib Talib cannot be disciplined by Roger Goodell for his assault charge unless found guilty |
I - hope this happens. It's stupid to punish a player if they're not found guilty in court. I understand the "image of the NFL" thing, but it's dumb.
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Our defense is just about complete to be honest. We could use an upgrade at the CB spot but you could probably say that about most teams. We'll see how Foster looks this year. David, Barron, McCoy, Bowers, Clayborn, Price, and Foster is going to be fun these next 4-5 years watching these guys build some chemistry together. Starting to get buzz around the NFL now
http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=66170
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RoeKG
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| indifference wrote: | Our defense is just about complete to be honest. We could use an upgrade at the CB spot but you could probably say that about most teams. We'll see how Foster looks this year. David, Barron, McCoy, Bowers, Clayborn, Price, and Foster is going to be fun these next 4-5 years watching these guys build some chemistry together. Starting to get buzz around the NFL now
http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=66170
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Since I don't believe that both Price and McCoy will go injury free, we have a need at DT - specifically NT - MLB unless Black has a great year, FS, and CB after Barber retires next year because there's no way he comes back again, IMO.
They've been ravaged by injuries the past few years (a product of no effort in practice, I wonder?) and at this point they aren't very good as a unit, either. Nowhere near complete.
The offense on the other hand is complete IMO.
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| RoeKG wrote: | | indifference wrote: | Our defense is just about complete to be honest. We could use an upgrade at the CB spot but you could probably say that about most teams. We'll see how Foster looks this year. David, Barron, McCoy, Bowers, Clayborn, Price, and Foster is going to be fun these next 4-5 years watching these guys build some chemistry together. Starting to get buzz around the NFL now
http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=66170
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Since I don't believe that both Price and McCoy will go injury free, we have a need at DT - specifically NT - MLB unless Black has a great year, FS, and CB after Barber retires next year because there's no way he comes back again, IMO.
They've been ravaged by injuries the past few years (a product of no effort in practice, I wonder?) and at this point they aren't very good as a unit, either. Nowhere near complete.
The offense on the other hand is complete IMO. |
agreed with all of that about the defense, nowhere near complete
The offense I can see maybe having needs after this season at TE, FB, maybe RT and possibly WR
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| RoeKG wrote: |
Since I don't believe that both Price and McCoy will go injury free, we have a need at DT - specifically NT - MLB unless Black has a great year, FS, and CB after Barber retires next year because there's no way he comes back again, IMO.
They've been ravaged by injuries the past few years (a product of no effort in practice, I wonder?) and at this point they aren't very good as a unit, either. Nowhere near complete.
The offense on the other hand is complete IMO. |
With that logic, if I don't believe two of any starters in the NFL on a team doesn't go injury free, their not complete. In terms of who we have now that is playing, its a complete defense. We don't have a need at NT. Please get over the thinking that we need a NT. Its not a necessity. DT is scheme dependent and we have plenty depth now behind our starters. Black isn't starting at MLB - that was just an experiment(they were putting people everywhere) Foster is. Barron will start at FS most likely and Barber is on the team this year so I see a complete defense now. Next year if Barber does retire, then of course that opens up another hole at CB which we can draft his replacement or sign one. We could use an upgrade at SAM (Black/Hayward/Watson) for sure but the defense has all the capable players on the field.
Injuries are apart of the game. They occur, you could apply the "if I don't think player X Y and Z are going to stay injury free we aren't a complete team" to just about 31 other teams in the NFL..... |
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youngbuc20
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I think on defense we need to add a MLB (I would rather see Foster on the outside where he is best suited and most comfortable) We need to add another corner to start opposite Talib. Also another safety opposite Barron. Then IMO the defense is set.
Offense we need to add another weapon at TE and maybe a RT (depending on Trubloods play this season) Then I feel like were set.
Im loving the direction this team is heading in and I see in a year or two we will be Playoff bound.
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RoeKG
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| indifference wrote: | | With that logic, if I don't believe two of any starters in the NFL on a team doesn't go injury free, their not complete. |
Staying injury free is part of being successful, just ask Barber. Good defenses are either injury free or plug in more than capable replacements, or else they aren't good. If they aren't good, they aren't complete. Are you saying our defense will be good this season?
| indifference wrote: | | In terms of who we have now that is playing, its a complete defense. |
News to me. We're missing at least one LB and one S/CB, whichever Barber isn't playing.
| indifference wrote: | | We don't have a need at NT. Please get over the thinking that we need a NT. Its not a necessity. DT is scheme dependent and we have plenty depth now behind our starters. |
Plenty of depth? We don't know that for sure. We have 2 guys that are very talented but often injured, and beyond that we have a nice big ?
| indifference wrote: | | Black isn't starting at MLB - that was just an experiment(they were putting people everywhere) Foster is. |
Link? I can see them changing Foster to MLB since we have David now but we're still in some pretty desperate need of a SLB unless that's where they put Goode and he really works out.
| indifference wrote: | | Barron will start at FS most likely and Barber is on the team this year so I see a complete defense now. |
Barron's skill set suits him more at SS and they already said Barber is at FS.
| indifference wrote: | | Next year if Barber does retire, then of course that opens up another hole at CB which we can draft his replacement or sign one. We could use an upgrade at SAM (Black/Hayward/Watson) for sure but the defense has all the capable players on the field. |
So we need an upgrade at SAM but we have a complete defense?
| indifference wrote: | | Injuries are apart of the game. They occur, you could apply the "if I don't think player X Y and Z are going to stay injury free we aren't a complete team" to just about 31 other teams in the NFL..... |
Saying the unit is "complete" is saying it will be good. No holes. This isn't me suggesting we have a hole at QB because Freeman could be hurt, this is pointing out that our defense to this point has been destroyed by injuries 2 years running. McCoy, Price, Talib, Jackson and Grimm were hurt last year, at least.
You said it yourself, they are a part of the game. If we can't fill in the holes caused by injuries that are likely to happen, then we aren't a complete team. We're likely to put out a defense with holes in it, therefore it's not complete.
For example, Vick gets hurt every year. Every team that's had Vick has had a decent back up to pick up the pieces when it happens. We don't have guys that can replace McCoy and Price at anything close to that level, so it's a problem.
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REDandPEWTER
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Our dt play is still a ? McCoy has yet to make it a full season. Price isn't a starter and neither is okoye. That is a big part to our struggles in run defense.
I wouldn't read much into black to MLB. I think that was more of a case to see foster on the outside. I would not be surprised by midsession that wlb - David , -MLB- Goode And slb - foster. |
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indifference
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| RoeKG wrote: |
Staying injury free is part of being successful, just ask Barber. Good defenses are either injury free or plug in more than capable replacements, or else they aren't good. If they aren't good, they aren't complete. Are you saying our defense will be good this season? |
Yeah, I'm saying the defense will be good with a healthy McCoy and Price in there.
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News to me. We're missing at least one LB and one S/CB, whichever Barber isn't playing. |
Huh? Our sam backer will be between Watson or Black. And Bryan Cox will help coach up our linebackers so I'm not concerned with Black/Watson being a huge liability. And if Barber plays CB, we move Grimm to SS and Barron to FS. Which leaves us with a secondary of Talib-Barber-Wright and Barron and Grimm.
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Plenty of depth? We don't know that for sure. We have 2 guys that are very talented but often injured, and beyond that we have a nice big ? |
Well till this day we have McCoy, Price, Okoye, Miller, Gibson, and Okam under contract. Okoye proved to be a nice rotational DT for the Bears last year. Gibson I'm not too sure of - I'd have to ask a Rams fan but at least there is a good #3 DT in the rotation which qualifies as good depth.
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Link? I can see them changing Foster to MLB since we have David now but we're still in some pretty desperate need of a SLB unless that's where they put Goode and he really works out. |
| Quote: | Was Quincy Black running the huddle and is that a role that he will be fulfilling this year?
“We’re so preliminary at this point. We’re trying to figure out what’s the best way to do it for a lot of reasons. Not only running the huddle, but if he’s doing that maybe somebody else can work at something else or make calls. We’ll figure out who the best guys are to do that, but I think Quincy has some maturity about him. He’s been doing this for a little bit so it’s something that we’re trying.” |
http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=7900:Schiano%20Discusses%20Bucs'%20First%20Practice,%20Barber%20Experimenting%20At%20Safety
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=4238&line=231732&spln=1
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Barron's skill set suits him more at SS and they already said Barber is at FS. |
They said Barber was experimenting at safety. At the time our first team defense was missing Tanard Jackson for the practice. Nothing is set in stone and as I said before Barron can play FS. I don't understand where the misconception that he is just a SS? When he covered slot receivers in college at the safety spot when Saban blitzed his backers. Sounds like a FS role to me. And we know about his in the box ability. He is much better in the box but he has coverage skills to play FS in this league.
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So we need an upgrade at SAM but we have a complete defense? |
I said could use an upgrade meaning its not that detriment to the defense. If I said need - in that case would totally be contradictory to my statement, as the meaning are completely different.
| RoeKG wrote: |
Saying the unit is "complete" is saying it will be good. No holes. This isn't me suggesting we have a hole at QB because Freeman could be hurt, this is pointing out that our defense to this point has been destroyed by injuries 2 years running. McCoy, Price, Talib, Jackson and Grimm were hurt last year, at least.
You said it yourself, they are a part of the game. If we can't fill in the holes caused by injuries that are likely to happen, then we aren't a complete team. We're likely to put out a defense with holes in it, therefore it's not complete.
For example, Vick gets hurt every year. Every team that's had Vick has had a decent back up to pick up the pieces when it happens. We don't have guys that can replace McCoy and Price at anything close to that level, so it's a problem. |
Here's my gripe. Gerald McCoy's injury came from a freak injury due to bad technique. He tried to tackle a RB both years, extending is arms while still being blocked and when he did that those biceps tore. I find it highly unlikely for the 3rd time, under a new coaching staff/technique etc, he will suffer from another bicep tear. Price played in 15 games last year. I'm not sure if he was 100% all of the time but he was healthy enough to play. Most defensive linemen don't play at 100% anyway in this league for 16 straight weeks. Price wasn't put on the IR, so I'm giving him a clear that he played a full season without missing action with injury. And covered before, I think Okoye will do fine if Price/McCoy were to go down - he did more than an admirable job last year with the Bears in limited play. And then with Cody Grimm he continues to get hurt when the play is literally over.
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| REDandPEWTER wrote: | Our dt play is still a ? McCoy has yet to make it a full season. Price isn't a starter and neither is okoye. That is a big part to our struggles in run defense.
I wouldn't read much into black to MLB. I think that was more of a case to see foster on the outside. I would not be surprised by midsession that wlb - David , -MLB- Goode And slb - foster. |
Meh, McCoy's injuries come from technique or lack there of. I'm not worried about him. And as a guy that watched McCoy terrorize backfields at Oklahoma, this was never an issue before. He will play 16 games this year. I'm willing to bet.
Hard to evaluate Price to be honest. He wasn't great by any stretch but he showed flashes of good play in a few games. Price played through injury most of the time too so his play was bound to drop. Okoye might be turning the corner here. I have hope. |
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RoeKG
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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To keep this shorter:
I suppose we have different definitions of complete, then. Grimm is a stopgap safety, as is anyone that'll be playing SLB. Admittedly I did forget about Okam, but that's 2 players that should be replaced at minimum.
I really, really want Price and McCoy to stay healthy. I do. But they haven't and I'm not putting any eggs in that basket.
I also think that no matter what, we shouldn't be saying this defense will be good. They were historically bad last year. 7th worst all time in points allowed in the history of the Super Bowl era. I know the new coaches are exciting, and between that and the new rookies, hopefully less injuries (I mean, come on) a hopefully more efficient offense, some experience and an offseason, we should see improvement no matter what. But these are the same players as last year. Should we really be hoping for such a turnaround? Last year I was convinced Freeman and our WRs would be amazing, and look what happened.
I'm not getting my hopes up that far to think the defense isn't going to be an issue. I'm excited, I'm hopeful, but I'm going to be realistic about it given what they've done so far. I'm very confident in the offense, but not the defense.
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