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Eagles_808
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| Matts4313 wrote: | 101st page?
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FIFY 
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Eagles_808 wrote: | | FIFY |
That would be amusing, except:
A: obvious implication that I meant first page in the new thread
B: the cowboys are still 50 pages up on you.
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Hockey5djh
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Hockey5djh wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Hockey5djh wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Quote: | | Here in Philadelphia we like Brandon Graham and think his skill set will fit in nicely with the wide-9, however with his injury history he hasn't proven worth of $2,490,620 roster bonus yet. That said we have no doubts that he will prove worthy of it thus we are offering to turn that roster bonus into a prorated signing bonus over the next 4 seasons (2012, 13, 14,and 15) which would increase the prorated signing bonus to but would bring his signing bonus to $2,330,155 per season from $1,707,500. The rest of his contract would shake out as follows.The deal saves us cap room in the short term while keeping all of Graham's cap hits under 4 million, while it guarantees Graham's roster bonus and increases his cap hit in 2013, 14, and 15. |
Back to the Graham re-structure heres what it would look like. |
This will get rejected. He not only loses his 5 million dollar pay check but he makes the same/less than he would have in the entirety. You need to give him something for him to accept a restructure, players don't just turn down 5 million dollar checks to "help the team". |
How so, he doesn't lose 5 million, in fact, this deal guarentees he makes that in addition although it is spread out. It is the same exact deal sans the roster bonus but with more guarenteed money over the last 4 years. |
I'm playing devils advocate. You're basically going to a player and asking him to take less money now (dropping his bonus from 5 mil to 1.7 mil) and just give it to him later with no extra incentives (aka more years or more money). Players don't do that on a everyday basis and certainly won't do it because they got injured and didn't perform up to expectations in the first two years of their deal. |
To my knowledge, signing bonuses are paid up front but the distribution of the cap is what the proration is for, am I right or wrong? |
I don't believe so. I'm sure the answer is somewhere in this FAQ probably around 1.10-1.11b area.
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp
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This. It's trying to make him something he's not ... |
A QB, perhaps? |
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JayAp07
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Trade is done. I approve. 5-2.
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Hockey5djh
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | However signing bonuses are a way for player to get money up front. Signing bonus are paid to the player upon signing but are prorated for life of contract. |
http://www.ehow.com/how_2077638_know-nfl-salary-cap-rules.html#ixzz1mI644Rob
Not sure how reliable this is but it does agree with you. Either way I believe that there should be some incentive to restructure other than, "Hey we're a little short on cash can we jumble money around in your contract that fits our liking better". I'd guarantee a couple of the years or something like that. Its a simple "Hey we like you even though you got hurt" type of offer that doesn't cost any money.
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This. It's trying to make him something he's not ... |
A QB, perhaps? |
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EaglesFan5-36-81
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Hockey5djh wrote: | | Quote: | | However signing bonuses are a way for player to get money up front. Signing bonus are paid to the player upon signing but are prorated for life of contract. |
http://www.ehow.com/how_2077638_know-nfl-salary-cap-rules.html#ixzz1mI644Rob
Not sure how reliable this is but it does agree with you. Either way I believe that there should be some incentive to restructure other than, "Hey we're a little short on cash can we jumble money around in your contract that fits our liking better". I'd guarantee a couple of the years or something like that. Its a simple "Hey we like you even though you got hurt" type of offer that doesn't cost any money. |
Well in essence he is getting 9 million up front instead of 5 million up front.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| JayAp07 wrote: | | Trade is done. I approve. 5-2. |
for what it matters, i vote no. it seems like a trade just to make a trade but whatever...
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Matts4313 wrote: | | That would be amusing |
Yeah, I was looking for any reason to post that pic... 
| JayAp07 wrote: | | Trade is done. I approve. 5-2. |
I'm down to make this move pre-draft, but we could wait until the day of to do it.
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JayAp07
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Hockey5djh wrote: | | Quote: | | However signing bonuses are a way for player to get money up front. Signing bonus are paid to the player upon signing but are prorated for life of contract. |
http://www.ehow.com/how_2077638_know-nfl-salary-cap-rules.html#ixzz1mI644Rob
Not sure how reliable this is but it does agree with you. Either way I believe that there should be some incentive to restructure other than, "Hey we're a little short on cash can we jumble money around in your contract that fits our liking better". I'd guarantee a couple of the years or something like that. Its a simple "Hey we like you even though you got hurt" type of offer that doesn't cost any money. |
Well in essence he is getting 9 million up front instead of 5 million up front. |
Maybe elaborate a little more about what he is getting in return for restructuring his deal. I wouldn't leave it up to the agency to realize that/do their homework.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| JayAp07 wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Hockey5djh wrote: | | Quote: | | However signing bonuses are a way for player to get money up front. Signing bonus are paid to the player upon signing but are prorated for life of contract. |
http://www.ehow.com/how_2077638_know-nfl-salary-cap-rules.html#ixzz1mI644Rob
Not sure how reliable this is but it does agree with you. Either way I believe that there should be some incentive to restructure other than, "Hey we're a little short on cash can we jumble money around in your contract that fits our liking better". I'd guarantee a couple of the years or something like that. Its a simple "Hey we like you even though you got hurt" type of offer that doesn't cost any money. |
Well in essence he is getting 9 million up front instead of 5 million up front. |
Maybe elaborate a little more about what he is getting in return for restructuring his deal. I wouldn't leave it up to the agency to realize that/do their homework. |
The roster bonus becomes guarenteed over the life of the contract, which raises his signing bonus to over 9 million dollars over the remaining 4 years of his contract.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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I know the trade is up 5-2 (well, 5-3 with my no), and me trying to veto it would be like Luxembourg trying to veto anything in the UN.. But I really don't understand why we want to trade up like that? We are giving them A LOT to move up 5 spots, and for who? We have no needs on offense, no need for a high draft pick at DE, no need at MLB, no need at CB.. So we need OLB, DT and S imo neither of those positions has a huge talent upgrade if we draft at 10 instead of 15.. I would much rather trade back in the draft, maybe a trade to the Pats saying
15 + DeSean (1050 value + Desean (410 for his original pick)) - total value: 1460
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27 + 31 + 95 (680+600+120) - total value: 1300
We would lose a bit of value, but clear up some space and that would give us 4 picks close to each other and since we have no huge need right now we can sit back and just go BPA, I see no need WHAT SO EVER to go up in the draft.. can someone explain to me why we would do that?
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Hockey5djh
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | JayAp07 wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Hockey5djh wrote: | | Quote: | | However signing bonuses are a way for player to get money up front. Signing bonus are paid to the player upon signing but are prorated for life of contract. |
http://www.ehow.com/how_2077638_know-nfl-salary-cap-rules.html#ixzz1mI644Rob
Not sure how reliable this is but it does agree with you. Either way I believe that there should be some incentive to restructure other than, "Hey we're a little short on cash can we jumble money around in your contract that fits our liking better". I'd guarantee a couple of the years or something like that. Its a simple "Hey we like you even though you got hurt" type of offer that doesn't cost any money. |
Well in essence he is getting 9 million up front instead of 5 million up front. |
Maybe elaborate a little more about what he is getting in return for restructuring his deal. I wouldn't leave it up to the agency to realize that/do their homework. |
The roster bonus becomes guarenteed over the life of the contract, which raises his signing bonus to over 9 million dollars over the remaining 4 years of his contract. |
The roster bonus is only 2.4 something? His signing bonus was already pro-rated at 1.7 per year. How does pro-rating 2.4 something million = 5 million more guaranteed?
For the record I agree with Jay on elaborating and spelling it out for the TA so that we don't get rejected Evan Mathis style.
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eagles101
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| mm6492 wrote: | | JayAp07 wrote: | | Trade is done. I approve. 5-2. |
for what it matters, i vote no. it seems like a trade just to make a trade but whatever... |
thats what i thought....giving up a lot to move up 5 spots imo.
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Hockey5djh
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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I'm dumb on the numbers in that last post but we should still elaborate and show why its a good idea to accept and what exactly would be guaranteed instead of just submitting numbers with a brief intro.
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Eagles_808
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| eagles101 wrote: | | mm6492 wrote: | | JayAp07 wrote: | | Trade is done. I approve. 5-2. |
for what it matters, i vote no. it seems like a trade just to make a trade but whatever... |
thats what i thought....giving up a lot to move up 5 spots imo. |
But haven't we all screamed for "Quality over Quantity" many times?
I know we're only moving up 5 spots, but we're trading a salary we didn't want to keep and giving only a 3rd + 6th (less rookies to sign for roster, too).
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