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Kellerman
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Fact is that Hutch is not a great player anymore, and he becomes expendable the moment we pick Kalil and slide Johnson inside.
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| wcblack34 wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | | Kellerman wrote: | | Go for it. |
I would say lets cut Hutchinson, and if we need more cap room after that we can re-evaluate. |
I really don't like the idea of cutting a veteran leader, who is still better than the other Guards we have, just to overpay for a guy who, at best, profiles as a #2 receiver. I realize everyone is paying crazy amounts for WR's, but what if we didn't get him? Then we're stuck with cap space, and no one to spend it on, and another hole that we didn't have before the bidding. I'd go for using the cap space we have now, but no way would I cut Hutch to try to sign Manningham. |
The plan at this point is to move Johnson over to LG, since we're looking at [Kalil.]
So Hutchinson really is expendable.
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Frank Costello
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| Kellerman wrote: | | Fact is that Hutch is not a great player anymore, and he becomes expendable the moment we pick Kalil and slide Johnson inside. |
You read my mind. UMN PM me when you see this, let's make some moves.
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wcblack34
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | | Kellerman wrote: | | Go for it. |
I would say lets cut Hutchinson, and if we need more cap room after that we can re-evaluate. |
I really don't like the idea of cutting a veteran leader, who is still better than the other Guards we have, just to overpay for a guy who, at best, profiles as a #2 receiver. I realize everyone is paying crazy amounts for WR's, but what if we didn't get him? Then we're stuck with cap space, and no one to spend it on, and another hole that we didn't have before the bidding. I'd go for using the cap space we have now, but no way would I cut Hutch to try to sign Manningham. |
The plan at this point is to move Johnson over to LG, since we're looking at [Kalil.]
So Hutchinson really is expendable. |
Sure, then you have a 12-14 million dollar per year #2 WR on the team, which eats up a ton of cap space in the future. I realize this is all a game, but if it were real, there is no way this would happen. Fixing all of these holes in one off season is not likely to happen. Additionally, if you cut Hutch, then the chances you take a trade-down in the draft are lessened because you now HAVE to make sure you get either Kalil or Reif, because if you trade back and by some surprise they're both gone, you have to completely reach because you have to fill both holes. I'd rather play it safe with Hutch (and have veteran depth at the least), than to go all in for a guy who isn't even the third best WR on his team. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| wcblack34 wrote: | | Sure, then you have a 12-14 million dollar per year #2 WR on the team, which eats up a ton of cap space in the future. I realize this is all a game, but if it were real, there is no way this would happen. Fixing all of these holes in one off season is not likely to happen. Additionally, if you cut Hutch, then the chances you take a trade-down in the draft are lessened because you now HAVE to make sure you get either Kalil or Reif, because if you trade back and by some surprise they're both gone, you have to completely reach because you have to fill both holes. I'd rather play it safe with Hutch (and have veteran depth at the least), than to go all in for a guy who isn't even the third best WR on his team. |
I don't think trading down when Kalil is going to be there is something that we would really consider.
Regardless of that or signing Manningham, Hutchinson just isn't worth the money, and someone like Love or Fusco should be given a chance. Cutting Hutchinson is in the best interest of the team moving forward, regardless of the other moves we make.
I'm all for cutting Hutchinson, although I am a little wary of blowing the bank on Manningham.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| *That should have read "only the third best wide receiver on his team". |
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| wcblack34 wrote: | | *That should have read "only the third best wide receiver on his team". |
At the worst I would say Manningham is a solid #2, and has the potential to be a good #1 in the right offense. He has some big-play ability in him, and with Harvin and Rudolph as the two main targets in our offense, Manningham would make a very good Z.
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| [UMN] wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | Sure, then you have a 12-14 million dollar per year #2 WR on the team, which eats up a ton of cap space in the future. I realize this is all a game, but if it were real, there is no way this would happen. Fixing all of these holes in one off season is not likely to happen. Additionally, if you cut Hutch, then the chances you take a trade-down in the draft are lessened because you now HAVE to make sure you get either Kalil or Reif, because if you trade back and by some surprise they're both gone, you have to completely reach because you have to fill both holes. I'd rather play it safe with Hutch (and have veteran depth at the least), than to go all in for a guy who isn't even the third best WR on his team. |
I don't think trading down when Kalil is going to be there is something that we would really consider.
Regardless of that or signing Manningham, Hutchinson just isn't worth the money, and someone like Love or Fusco should be given a chance. Cutting Hutchinson is in the best interest of the team moving forward, regardless of the other moves we make.
I'm all for cutting Hutchinson, although I am a little wary of blowing the bank on Manningham. |
Love and Fusco couldn't beat out Herrera when he was healthy. They'll get all the "chance" they need in training camp. To say they'll certainly surpass Hutch is unfounded speculation. Sometimes guys "aren't worth the money", but are kept because they're still better than the alternatives.
Also, what if someone else beats us for Manningham, then what? Who else is left out there for the remaining salary cap? |
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wcblack34
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| I realize that you guys are going to do what you're going to do, I'm just putting in my two cents. |
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| [UMN] wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | *That should have read "only the third best wide receiver on his team". |
At the worst I would say Manningham is a solid #2, and has the potential to be a good #1 in the right offense. He has some big-play ability in him, and with Harvin and Rudolph as the two main targets in our offense, Manningham would make a very good Z. |
HAHA...he's a #2 at best, really just a good #3, but people in this draft will rate him higher and will make our fake team look better, so why not.
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| wcblack34 wrote: | | Also, what if someone else beats us for Manningham, then what? Who else is left out there for the remaining salary cap? |
We need to look into this.
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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WC and UMN PM me on what I think we can get Manningham for.
As far as the scenario where we miss out on him, we would just have that much more cap room next year. It's not a terrible thing to have happen.
Hutch will most likely be gone next year, where as Manningham would be here for another 4 or 5 at least. Also would open up our draft more for Oline and Dline help. I need a show of hands, who is all in for Manningham? Which includes dumping Hutchinson.
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I don't know what Manningham will go for, but in real life, I doubt he cracks 5 or 6 million per year. He's never had a 1000 yard season, and he doesn't have any measurable that screams "big money guy". Personally, I think whatever cap room we have should be good enough, and in order to keep this somewhat realistic, that's where the line should be drawn. Hutch's number will be off the books next year anyways, so dumping him a year early doesn't really benefit us much.
Honestly, if we (or anyone else for that matter) give Manningham 10 or 12 million per year, then there is really no point in having FFMD. We can play Madden and make ridiculous deals like that. |
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Manningham's agent has confirmed that his client will sign with the Buccaneers for 5 years and 65 million after the Redskins drama. The League Office is currently discussing penalties for Washington. |
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Frank Costello
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Thats an average of 13 million a year folks, that's stupid money.
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