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hdshot
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 Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: Wes Welker chat. |
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Well just wanted to chat a little with the other Hawk fans about the SB. Heard the radio and TV Monday morning arm chair QB's put all the blame Wes Welker. IMO Brady missed that easy routine pass making it impossible for Wes to make that catch. How he had to twist on a Brady pass like that wide open? Come on! I was like wtf when I was hearing Wes taking the sword. I throught Brady should of covered for Wes on that play. Unless Brady did I didn't hear that.
What do you guys think about that or other thoughts about the SB? |
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outside_Insider
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Wes Welker chat. |
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| hdshot wrote: | Well just wanted to chat a little with the other Hawk fans about the SB. Heard the radio and TV Monday morning arm chair QB's put all the blame Wes Welker. IMO Brady missed that easy routine pass making it impossible for Wes to make that catch. How he had to twist on a Brady pass like that wide open? Come on! I was like wtf when I was hearing Wes taking the sword. I throught Brady should of covered for Wes on that play. Unless Brady did I didn't hear that.
What do you guys think about that or other thoughts about the SB? |
Catchable ball for a superstar like Welker but it certainly wasn't between the number. I think both can share a little of the blame. NE was outplayed hugely so I don't think there can be a real scapegoat here.
Anyone see the video of Gisele tearing into Pats WRs? funny.
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Just seems there was no reason to throw Wes a jump ball like that. Bad throw unless Brady was trying to avoid the pass blocks. The Gmen played well but had their fumbles bounce their way except the 12 men for the Pats penalty.
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Do you have any idea how hard that catch would have been to make?
From the video it looks like Welker is running a skinny post inside. Maybe he should have read the coverage differently. It looks like a zone with Rolle had the underneath coverage with help from Phillips overtop. I can't tell who is on the outside but it looks like Deion Branch man-up with another CB.
Welker got open in the coverage but it looks like Brady was expecting him to run a bit of a comeback, instead Welker looked inside. When Welker sees the ball, he takes one step of his plant foot, spins around, leaps off his back foot in an attempt to get in a position to make a play. He gets two hands on the ball but it's still an extremely tough catch. If Welker had just sat in the zone and done either a curl or comeback, his shoulders would have been squared away to make the catch. Instead, he doesn't get turned around in time.
It's not a "drop" so much as it is Welker misreading the coverage. Brady clearly thought he would have stopped sooner and sat inside the zone.
Edit: Also the throw is high. Welker isn't exactly your tallest receiver. |
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It is widely said that any WR should catch anything that touches your hands. He had both hands on the ball, he should have caught it BUT Brady threw a bad pass. Welker had to jump and do a 180 and snag it at its highest point. It would have been an amazing catch. But I do not blame him. I put it more on Brady but both should share the blame.
Found this article. http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/sports/2012/02/07/online-pawn-shop-mocks-wes-welker/
8000 Butterfinger candy bars in the middle of Boston, with a sign thanking Wes Welker. Brutal...
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| KayJayz wrote: |
8000 Butterfinger candy bars in the middle of Boston, with a sign thanking Wes Welker. Brutal... |
Yes and that makes me shake my head when the fact Brady should be tested to see if he can hit his own butt with both hands. Collinsworth was talking about how the Giants looked confused just before the snap, Brady saw it and missed the target. IMO the pass floated or sailed and Wes W made it look catchable. Just seems to me people are afraid of saying something bad about Brady as if he is a god. The best make mistakes as well. |
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| hdshot wrote: | | KayJayz wrote: |
8000 Butterfinger candy bars in the middle of Boston, with a sign thanking Wes Welker. Brutal... |
Yes and that makes me shake my head when the fact Brady should be tested to see if he can hit his own butt with both hands. Collinsworth was talking about how the Giants looked confused just before the snap, Brady saw it and missed the target. IMO the pass floated or sailed and Wes W made it look catchable. Just seems to me people are afraid of saying something bad about Brady as if he is a god. The best make mistakes as well. |
Brady threw the ball behind Welker. He had to turn all the way around, just to get his hands on itl. Does Welker normally catch that ball, yes, but it was a bad pass and very uncharacteristic of both players. For Pats fans to lay the entire blame on Welker, is idiotic. Wanna blame someone? Blame the front office for giving Brady such a bad group of WR's, that his top guy is 5'9". That should have never happened. It's time for the Pats to give Brady a big, young WR. That position has been neglected too long. You cannot rely on 2 TE sets to be your main passing scheme in the NFL. Sooner or later, you're gonna need a true #1 WR. |
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| TheOsprey wrote: | | hdshot wrote: | | KayJayz wrote: |
8000 Butterfinger candy bars in the middle of Boston, with a sign thanking Wes Welker. Brutal... |
Yes and that makes me shake my head when the fact Brady should be tested to see if he can hit his own butt with both hands. Collinsworth was talking about how the Giants looked confused just before the snap, Brady saw it and missed the target. IMO the pass floated or sailed and Wes W made it look catchable. Just seems to me people are afraid of saying something bad about Brady as if he is a god. The best make mistakes as well. |
Brady threw the ball behind Welker. He had to turn all the way around, just to get his hands on itl. Does Welker normally catch that ball, yes, but it was a bad pass and very uncharacteristic of both players. For Pats fans to lay the entire blame on Welker, is idiotic. Wanna blame someone? Blame the front office for giving Brady such a bad group of WR's, that his top guy is 5'9". That should have never happened. It's time for the Pats to give Brady a big, young WR. That position has been neglected too long. You cannot rely on 2 TE sets to be your main passing scheme in the NFL. Sooner or later, you're gonna need a true #1 WR. |
while i agree about it not being welkers fault....the rest has me 
That scheme got the patriots to the superbowl, it for damn sure wasn't that defense. If they win that game (which they very well could have) we're not having this discussion right now
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| imani wrote: | | TheOsprey wrote: | | hdshot wrote: | | KayJayz wrote: |
8000 Butterfinger candy bars in the middle of Boston, with a sign thanking Wes Welker. Brutal... |
Yes and that makes me shake my head when the fact Brady should be tested to see if he can hit his own butt with both hands. Collinsworth was talking about how the Giants looked confused just before the snap, Brady saw it and missed the target. IMO the pass floated or sailed and Wes W made it look catchable. Just seems to me people are afraid of saying something bad about Brady as if he is a god. The best make mistakes as well. |
Brady threw the ball behind Welker. He had to turn all the way around, just to get his hands on itl. Does Welker normally catch that ball, yes, but it was a bad pass and very uncharacteristic of both players. For Pats fans to lay the entire blame on Welker, is idiotic. Wanna blame someone? Blame the front office for giving Brady such a bad group of WR's, that his top guy is 5'9". That should have never happened. It's time for the Pats to give Brady a big, young WR. That position has been neglected too long. You cannot rely on 2 TE sets to be your main passing scheme in the NFL. Sooner or later, you're gonna need a true #1 WR. |
while i agree about it not being welkers fault....the rest has me
That scheme got the patriots to the superbowl, it for damn sure wasn't that defense. If they win that game (which they very well could have) we're not having this discussion right now |
I agree. That scheme did get them to the Superbowl. In fact, I can argue that Brady has accomplished more, with less weapons, than any QB in league history. The defense stinks, the running game is non-existant and aside from having the best TE tandem in the league, he lacks a true #1 receiver and any decent depth at the position. Even though that 2 TE set got them to the Superbowl, it also kept them from winning it. Once Gronkowski got injured in the playoffs, it was all over. You could see just how much he was slowed by the injury. Especially on the Blackburn INT. You could see that Gronk was unable to push off his ankle, to get up and fight for the ball. Seeing how much he was hindered, the Giants could shift the secondary to Hernandez and a huge percentage of the passing game was held in check. If they had a true #1 receiver, they would have another option to go to. |
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imani
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| TheOsprey wrote: | | imani wrote: | | TheOsprey wrote: | | hdshot wrote: | | KayJayz wrote: |
8000 Butterfinger candy bars in the middle of Boston, with a sign thanking Wes Welker. Brutal... |
Yes and that makes me shake my head when the fact Brady should be tested to see if he can hit his own butt with both hands. Collinsworth was talking about how the Giants looked confused just before the snap, Brady saw it and missed the target. IMO the pass floated or sailed and Wes W made it look catchable. Just seems to me people are afraid of saying something bad about Brady as if he is a god. The best make mistakes as well. |
Brady threw the ball behind Welker. He had to turn all the way around, just to get his hands on itl. Does Welker normally catch that ball, yes, but it was a bad pass and very uncharacteristic of both players. For Pats fans to lay the entire blame on Welker, is idiotic. Wanna blame someone? Blame the front office for giving Brady such a bad group of WR's, that his top guy is 5'9". That should have never happened. It's time for the Pats to give Brady a big, young WR. That position has been neglected too long. You cannot rely on 2 TE sets to be your main passing scheme in the NFL. Sooner or later, you're gonna need a true #1 WR. |
while i agree about it not being welkers fault....the rest has me
That scheme got the patriots to the superbowl, it for damn sure wasn't that defense. If they win that game (which they very well could have) we're not having this discussion right now |
I agree. That scheme did get them to the Superbowl. In fact, I can argue that Brady has accomplished more, with less weapons, than any QB in league history. The defense stinks, the running game is non-existant and aside from having the best TE tandem in the league, he lacks a true #1 receiver and any decent depth at the position. Even though that 2 TE set got them to the Superbowl, it also kept them from winning it. Once Gronkowski got injured in the playoffs, it was all over. You could see just how much he was slowed by the injury. Especially on the Blackburn INT. You could see that Gronk was unable to push off his ankle, to get up and fight for the ball. Seeing how much he was hindered, the Giants could shift the secondary to Hernandez and a huge percentage of the passing game was held in check. If they had a true #1 receiver, they would have another option to go to. |
Yea they have plenty of firepower in the draft to go get one or two if they wanted....scary
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| imani wrote: | | TheOsprey wrote: | | imani wrote: | | TheOsprey wrote: | | hdshot wrote: | | KayJayz wrote: |
8000 Butterfinger candy bars in the middle of Boston, with a sign thanking Wes Welker. Brutal... |
Yes and that makes me shake my head when the fact Brady should be tested to see if he can hit his own butt with both hands. Collinsworth was talking about how the Giants looked confused just before the snap, Brady saw it and missed the target. IMO the pass floated or sailed and Wes W made it look catchable. Just seems to me people are afraid of saying something bad about Brady as if he is a god. The best make mistakes as well. |
Brady threw the ball behind Welker. He had to turn all the way around, just to get his hands on itl. Does Welker normally catch that ball, yes, but it was a bad pass and very uncharacteristic of both players. For Pats fans to lay the entire blame on Welker, is idiotic. Wanna blame someone? Blame the front office for giving Brady such a bad group of WR's, that his top guy is 5'9". That should have never happened. It's time for the Pats to give Brady a big, young WR. That position has been neglected too long. You cannot rely on 2 TE sets to be your main passing scheme in the NFL. Sooner or later, you're gonna need a true #1 WR. |
while i agree about it not being welkers fault....the rest has me
That scheme got the patriots to the superbowl, it for damn sure wasn't that defense. If they win that game (which they very well could have) we're not having this discussion right now |
I agree. That scheme did get them to the Superbowl. In fact, I can argue that Brady has accomplished more, with less weapons, than any QB in league history. The defense stinks, the running game is non-existant and aside from having the best TE tandem in the league, he lacks a true #1 receiver and any decent depth at the position. Even though that 2 TE set got them to the Superbowl, it also kept them from winning it. Once Gronkowski got injured in the playoffs, it was all over. You could see just how much he was slowed by the injury. Especially on the Blackburn INT. You could see that Gronk was unable to push off his ankle, to get up and fight for the ball. Seeing how much he was hindered, the Giants could shift the secondary to Hernandez and a huge percentage of the passing game was held in check. If they had a true #1 receiver, they would have another option to go to. |
Yea they have plenty of firepower in the draft to go get one or two if they wanted....scary |
I could easily see them taking a big, fast deep threat like Rueben Randle in round 2. |
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