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NextBigThing
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| NinjaZX6R wrote: | | NextBigThing wrote: | | NinjaZX6R wrote: | | NextBigThing wrote: | | I am more open to trading Hernandez than Mankins. That said, thinking we need to be trading any of our good players is a mistake in owns right. We are a piece or two away from another dynasty, and have plenty of picks/cap. We do not need to be getting rid of what is working. |
Not in a million years would I trade Herno over Mankins. |
Hern is the #2 at a position we need to become significantly less reliant upon. He is our #3 option currently, after the offseason, hopefully we he becomes 4 or 5 by adding a few talented wide receivers.
A top 40 pick for our 5th receiving option? That is a no brainer. |
No. BB has spend years searching for a Herno type TE. He can run the ball on the outside, an ok blocker, and run routes like a WR. He is the best option vs the blitz because once he is on the field vs one on one, he can beat anyone. He also has great ability to get YAC. That's vital to our offense.
And he isn't a our 5th best receiving option. He is our 3rd best option.
Because of him, teams have to treat him as a WR therefore, teams tend to put an extra CB on the field. That allows us to run the ball vs a nickel defense.
This idea of trading Herno is assine and ludacris. |
Where did I say he is #5? Currently is 3.
If we sign Lloyd, he becomes 4. If we draft another young receiver, he eventually becomes 5.
Hernandez is ogne in two years; that is a fact - if we are offered a 1st rounder for him, we need to take it. I find it unlikely his value goes up from right now.
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The Third Rider
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| NextBigThing wrote: | | NinjaZX6R wrote: | | NextBigThing wrote: | | NinjaZX6R wrote: | | NextBigThing wrote: | | I am more open to trading Hernandez than Mankins. That said, thinking we need to be trading any of our good players is a mistake in owns right. We are a piece or two away from another dynasty, and have plenty of picks/cap. We do not need to be getting rid of what is working. |
Not in a million years would I trade Herno over Mankins. |
Hern is the #2 at a position we need to become significantly less reliant upon. He is our #3 option currently, after the offseason, hopefully we he becomes 4 or 5 by adding a few talented wide receivers.
A top 40 pick for our 5th receiving option? That is a no brainer. |
No. BB has spend years searching for a Herno type TE. He can run the ball on the outside, an ok blocker, and run routes like a WR. He is the best option vs the blitz because once he is on the field vs one on one, he can beat anyone. He also has great ability to get YAC. That's vital to our offense.
And he isn't a our 5th best receiving option. He is our 3rd best option.
Because of him, teams have to treat him as a WR therefore, teams tend to put an extra CB on the field. That allows us to run the ball vs a nickel defense.
This idea of trading Herno is assine and ludacris. |
Where did I say he is #5? Currently is 3.
If we sign Lloyd, he becomes 4. If we draft another young receiver, he eventually becomes 5.
Hernandez is ogne in two years; that is a fact - if we are offered a 1st rounder for him, we need to take it. I find it unlikely his value goes up from right now. |
1) Belichick puts the best talent available on the field. Hernandez is part of that.
2) You should know this by now but BB will not have a rookie WR start over a veteran like Hernandez
3) Branch is going to be 33 next year (plus Hernandez put better stats than him anyways), Ochocinco is practically gone and Edelman is nothing more then an overachiever who doesn't put up good stats.
With all of that said the only guys that could be ahead of Hernandez is Welker, Gronk, [insert possible FA WR]. I see still see no reason why we need to get rid of him. Infact, going forward I am sure BB would probably keep him over Welker who is getting into his 30s.
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| NextBigThing wrote: |
Hernandez is ogne in two years; that is a fact - if we are offered a 1st rounder for him, we need to take it. I find it unlikely his value goes up from right now. |
You apparently don't know what "facts" are.
It's your opinion that the Pats will not choose/be able to retain him in 2014. I think it's actually quite possible (if not probable) he stays barring the Pats finding a TE replacement for him. In any event, 2 years of Hernandez while Brady is still playing at a high level > a lottery pick in the Top 40 of a bad draft class.
Trading Hernandez is absolutely insane. Keep him for 2 years and then if you really want to move him, franchise him (the franchise tag # for a TE is likely to be pretty affordable) and trade him.
Just because the Pats have another TE on the roster, doesn't mean Hernandez is a luxury. The Pats can afford to have Welker, Lloyd, Hernandez and Gronkowski. Absent signing Mario Williams, the Pats have a ton of financial flexibility going forward and little reason to think they'll need to dump one of their best offensive weapons because of financial concerns. |
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NextBigThing
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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I never said we "should" or "need" to trade him; I said if a high offer comes around, we would be dumb to not consider it. Though Hernandez is a vital piece of the offense, I would trade him before I traded Mankins.
If I was running the show, nobody would be going anywhere. We are a piece or two away from another dynasty, we need to focus on finding that piece, not getting rid of what is already working.
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| NextBigThing wrote: |
I never said we "should" or "need" to trade him; I said if a high offer comes around, we would be dumb to not consider it. Though Hernandez is a vital piece of the offense, I would trade him before I traded Mankins.
If I was running the show, nobody would be going anywhere. We are a piece or two away from another dynasty, we need to focus on finding that piece, not getting rid of what is already working. |
Using the term "no brainer" implies that if the Pats get that offer, they should make the deal (otherwise they'd be foolish). If that's not what you meant to imply, perhaps you should have used a different term. |
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NextBigThing
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| mcmurtry86 wrote: | | Using the term "no brainer" implies that if the Pats get that offer, they should make the deal (otherwise they'd be foolish). If that's not what you meant to imply, perhaps you should have used a different term. |
A first round offer IS a no brainer.
That does not insinuate that I think we should be proactively shopping him
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| NextBigThing wrote: | | mcmurtry86 wrote: | | Using the term "no brainer" implies that if the Pats get that offer, they should make the deal (otherwise they'd be foolish). If that's not what you meant to imply, perhaps you should have used a different term. |
A first round offer IS a no brainer.
That does not insinuate that I think we should be proactively shopping him |
You didn't say 1st round offer, you said Top 40.
Even then, I wouldn't take the 25th pick in the draft for Aaron Hernandez. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| mcmurtry86 wrote: | | NextBigThing wrote: | | mcmurtry86 wrote: | | Using the term "no brainer" implies that if the Pats get that offer, they should make the deal (otherwise they'd be foolish). If that's not what you meant to imply, perhaps you should have used a different term. |
A first round offer IS a no brainer.
That does not insinuate that I think we should be proactively shopping him :lol: |
You didn't say 1st round offer, you said Top 40.
Even then, I wouldn't take the 25th pick in the draft for Aaron Hernandez. |
Not this draft, anyway. The big mistake is that everyone talks about the guy like he's a tight end - he's not. He's a wide receiver in tight end's clothing. This team can pay four offensive weapons, and Brandon Lloyd, if he does come to the Patriots, isn't bumping Hernandez down the totem pole in that equation. |
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Richter wrote: | | This team can pay four offensive weapons, and Brandon Lloyd, if he does come to the Patriots, isn't bumping Hernandez down the totem pole in that equation. |
This.
Assuming Vereen/Ridley/Woodhead/Green-Ellis (on affordable deal or veteran role player), there isn't much cash tied up in RB's at all.
Pay Welker, Lloyd, Gronkowski, Hernandez and roll with cheap veteran role players and draft picks on rookie contracts at #3 and #4 WR.
No reason to think they can't afford that scenario. I'd much rather pay Hernandez than a "true" #3 WR. |
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tonyto3690
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah no. Trading Hernandez on the deal he is currently playing for, would be completely moronic. He is an elite calibre player who is a gamechanger and is playing for pennies. Unless we get offered something ridiculous like two first round picks, there is absolutely no reason we should trade Hernandez in the next two years.
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I think he's just mad that Hernandez wears #81
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