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 Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:41 am Post subject: Jim Caldwell to be QB Coach? |
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| Quote: | @AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
After visiting the Steelers this weekend, former Colts HC Jim Caldwell plans to join Ravens offensive staff, likely as QB coach.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:45 am Post subject: |
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I don't think I've ever facepalmed this many times in 2 weeks in my life...
First Lee Evans, then Cundiff, then we lose Pagano, then we retain Cam, then we retain Rosburg, then our FO says our offense improved greatly, and now this?!
WHEN WILL IT END?!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Great Signing. Whoever says it isn't is still bitter about our loss. I think he is a perfect QB coach for our team. I like it and support it. IF he signs of course
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| ceejay wrote: | | Great Signing. Whoever says it isn't is still bitter about our loss. I think he is a perfect QB coach for our team. I like it and support it. IF he signs of course |
Do you have any insight on this, because I just stopped by the Colts forum to ask the question. I know very little about the guy other than seeing him on the sideline apathetic and with a puny little moustache.
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I'm not sure what to make of this signing.
Its good that they have decided to lessen Cam's load and have brought somebody else in to bring help with Flacco's development, but what exactly has Caldwell done?
He's spent most of his NFL coaching career in Indy where he had Peyton Manning, but the fact that they had Curtis Painter on the roster for so long as has been proven to be quite a bad QB possibly suggests that he isnt great at developing QBs (or that Painter just really is that bad).
He was the QB coach when Kerry Collins won the O'Brien Trophy in college all those years ago though.
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SnA ExclusiVe
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:10 am Post subject: |
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All I know is that we now have 2 failed head coaches on our offensive coaching staff. I mean it's one thing to bring in a failed head coach like Jim Zorn who's known for being a great QB coach, but what is Caldwell known for other than having one constant facial expression?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | | All I know is that we now have 2 failed head coaches on our offensive coaching staff. I mean it's one thing to bring in a failed head coach like Jim Zorn who's known for being a great QB coach, but what is Caldwell known for other than having one constant facial expression? |
Being a failed coach says nothing about someone's capabilities as an assistant. And while the 'one expression' meme is admittedly hilarious, it also has little to do with who Caldwell might be as a QB coach.
He may have sucked as a HC, but he was also Peyton's QB coach for a number of years. Peyton's success wasn't a result of Caldwell or anything, but at the same time, an experience like that can only be helpful. Anyone who can come in and talk to our quarterback about what he knows Peyton Manning did to improve himself is a welcome voice to add in my book. And clearly, he impressed the Colts brass enough in his capacity as a QB coach to eventually move up to head coach in the first place. We were far from the only team that was interested in adding Caldwell as well; Pittsburgh among others were sniffing around.
There's a difference between legitimate criticism and complaining for the sake of complaining. I hated that we brought Cam back and voiced my concern as I felt I needed to, but it's pretty clear from your unabashedly negative response that you're just looking for more reasons to rage against the Ravens some more.
Giving Joe a buffer between him and Cam is something that was necessary and will be a positive development. Likewise, another strong voice to hopefully help in offensive gameplanning can only be a good thing. Caldwell won't transform our prospects and the offensive coaching staff is still weighed down by who our OC is, but bringing in a QB coach, and one with good pedigree at that, is going to be a positive for us.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| BaltimoreTerp wrote: | | SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | | All I know is that we now have 2 failed head coaches on our offensive coaching staff. I mean it's one thing to bring in a failed head coach like Jim Zorn who's known for being a great QB coach, but what is Caldwell known for other than having one constant facial expression? |
Being a failed coach says nothing about someone's capabilities as an assistant. And while the 'one expression' meme is admittedly hilarious, it also has little to do with who Caldwell might be as a QB coach.
He may have sucked as a HC, but he was also Peyton's QB coach for a number of years. Peyton's success wasn't a result of Caldwell or anything, but at the same time, an experience like that can only be helpful. Anyone who can come in and talk to our quarterback about what he knows Peyton Manning did to improve himself is a welcome voice to add in my book. And clearly, he impressed the Colts brass enough in his capacity as a QB coach to eventually move up to head coach in the first place. We were far from the only team that was interested in adding Caldwell as well; Pittsburgh among others were sniffing around.
There's a difference between legitimate criticism and complaining for the sake of complaining. I hated that we brought Cam back and voiced my concern as I felt I needed to, but it's pretty clear from your unabashedly negative response that you're just looking for more reasons to rage against the Ravens some more.
Giving Joe a buffer between him and Cam is something that was necessary and will be a positive development. Likewise, another strong voice to hopefully help in offensive gameplanning can only be a good thing. Caldwell won't transform our prospects and the offensive coaching staff is still weighed down by who our OC is, but bringing in a QB coach, and one with good pedigree at that, is going to be a positive for us. |
I can only hope that you're right and that bringing in someone like Caldwell won't create further turmoil between Cam/Harbs and our QB's coach because of their differing views on offensive systems.
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Now this is a signing I am a fan of. Caldwell brings in a proven QB coach and with his time spent with Peyton Manning and that no huddle offense his influence on our offense as a whole can't be understated. Then you take into consideration that he understands the preparation that it takes for his QB to reach an elite level of play and he should only aid Flacco more in his ability to develop. He failed as a head coach because he doesn't bring that "rah-rah" inspiring nature as a coach, but as Flacco's QB coach he should bring a temperament very similar to that of Flacco's and that should be a calming influence for Flacco in getting better.
Moreover as Flacco's QB coach Cam clearly didn't have the time to work as much on drilling Flacco individually to work on his footwork as that part of his game clearly regressed in 2011 from where it was in 2010 under Zorn and even 2009 under Hugh Jackson. With improved footwork Flacco's accuracy should get back to where it needs to be.
So not only does this hiring improve us from Caldwell's experience but because it means Cameron can focus solely on his role as a coordinator and Flacco's (and Tyrod Taylor's) development won't have to suffer because of it. At worse this move = improvement by subtraction. But I definitely see improvement by addition with this signing.
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I don't know if he called the plays for the Colts, but this signing gives as a potential replacement for Cam should he fail once again.
Harbs and the FO seem fond of promoting from within, so getting a guy like Caldwell could spell trouble for Cam as they wont be as hesitant to fire him mid season (hopefully).
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| STrid wrote: | I don't know if he called the plays for the Colts, but this signing gives as a potential replacement for Cam should he fail once again.
Harbs and the FO seem fond of promoting from within, so getting a guy like Caldwell could spell trouble for Cam as they wont be as hesitant to fire him mid season (hopefully). |
Yeah, I was thinking this same thing. I actually was thinking about Caldwell as a potential replacement for Cam way back when we all just KNEW he was getting fired... but I also wasn't sure if Caldwell ever called the plays for Indy either. Obviously the year prior when Peyton played, it probably didn't matter who called the plays as Peyton could just change them once he saw something different, but last year the Colts were 30th in yards per and 28th in points per, so that's definitely not good. He had Wayne and Garcon to work with and the fact that the offense still wasn't able to muster up much might indicate that perhaps his playcalling prowess wouldn't be all that impressive. But the offensive line was very bad and it's quite possible that Curtis Painter was just THAT bad.
I do think Harbaugh likes to promote from within though and really, I think it makes sense. I think it does make some sense to promote a guy that's familiar with the way you do things and that you know you're comfortable with. As opposed to going outside the organization and perhaps you find a guy not to be as prepared for his position as he came across in his interviews or something of that nature.
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I think this is a great hire. I don't think we will make a OC change mid season and I really wouldn't want him as our OC.
I love the idea of putting a guy that spent like 10 years working closely with Peyton Manning next to Flacco. Obviously Caldwell wasn't the reason for Peyton's success but worst case scenario he can relay some of the techniques that Peyton used to be great on to Flacco.
As far as Painter's lack of success goes, even if there was no QB coach at all in Indy, if the backup to Peyton Manning had the talent to be an NFL QB, he would have learned a ton just from backing up Peyton. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Hue Jackson must have left on bad terms, or clashed with Cam Cameron.
I'm willing to bet its the latter. |
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ceejay
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Yeah I have insight on this.
Hey was Peyton Manning friggin' QB coach. Not saying Manning learned all he knew from the guy but come on. Caldwell has seen one of the greatest QB's at work for years. You are going to tell me he doesn't have anything he can pass on to Joe?
I agree with Bterp. I am not bashing Baltimore fans, but from where I look at it. A lot of you are just venting and raging because of what happened. Let it go, Cam is back and so is Harbs. The fact some people call for Harbs head is an absolute JOKE! Our team is consistently one of the top teams in the league, always knocking on the door. Had some plays gone our way last Sunday, we would all be celebrating and anticipating us in the Superbowl. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.
It's a good signing and I am happy they made the decision to bring him in. Stop complaining just to complain.
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Yeah, I don't really see how this can be viewed as a detriment to the team going forward. If anything, as others noted, it alleviates some of the responsibilities from Cam's shoulders and forces him to be more accountable for his actions.
While at this point I think Joe is fairly close to as good as he is going to be in this league, I think Caldwell could do a lot to help in the progression of Tyrod Taylor. In the worst-case scenario (knock on wood), were anything to happen to Joe, at least we'd have a more ready backup.
Sure Caldwell may have been a joke of a head coach, but as we have all clearly seen, head coaching success does not determine football knowledge nor does football knowledge determine head coaching ability.
While it hasn't been the most exciting off-season thus far. It's good to know our front office is continuing to do what they can to get better, in whatever capacity it may be.
However, as crazy is this may sound. With us clearly being in win-now mode and the reports of Peyton set to be cut by Indianapolis...is there any chance...?
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