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ninjapirate
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| wayne87reggie wrote: | | stallyns wrote: | I agree, it's not like he has to pass a physical to play for us.
I'm still torn on whether to trade no 1 or draft Andrew Luck. |
I would love to trade back and get Claiborne, and a ton of picks |
Have you even heard any rumors of anyone clamoring about moving up to take Luck?
If Luck is supposed to this can't miss qb prospect you would think another team would be interested.
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coltsmanic808
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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I definitely think we should do this as realistically as possible. That way it's a little more fun and we can kind of prepare ourselves for the impending future better haha.
As for the 3-4 and Mathis, Mathis has always been a great athlete and his size and speed are still great for a 3-4 OLB, based on what I've heard and seen though I wouldn't want him to cover much. I definitely want to see if we can get anything for Freeney if we're for sure moving to a 3-4 so I'd like to see everyone's opinion on that. Brackett is definitely going to be a cap casualty but I'd also try to entertain some offers for both of them. Bullitt.....if we can get a good S in a trade or something, I'm all for getting rid of him; he's Sanders lite in a bad bad way. Rucker could work for FS and I think the SS position is starting to become a hybrid FS/SS anyways so Bethea would be fine. I would love to grab a stud corner.
I definitely would entertain offers for Luck just to see how desperate teams get. Ok holy crap....my fingers are tired.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Are we going to fully commit to the 3-4? That will take a lot of work. We also need to find some receivers. If we don't retain Garcon or Wayne it looks dire there.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| ninjapirate wrote: | | Are we going to fully commit to the 3-4? That will take a lot of work. We also need to find some receivers. If we don't retain Garcon or Wayne it looks dire there. |
We have to retain one receiver.
What do yall think, Wayne, Garcon, or Anthony Gonzalez?
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coltsmanic808
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Speed Blue wrote: | | ninjapirate wrote: | | Are we going to fully commit to the 3-4? That will take a lot of work. We also need to find some receivers. If we don't retain Garcon or Wayne it looks dire there. |
We have to retain one receiver.
What do yall think, Wayne, Garcon, or Anthony Gonzalez? |
I think Gonzo would be retained for the vet min. if we really wanted it. I'd opt for Wayne if we take Luck because he'd be the most sure handed receiver with Collie. Garcon is a good receiver but unreliable.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:18 am Post subject: |
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My opinion:
Manning - Based on the numbers stated above, we should keep him (nothing to gain by cutting him)
Freeney - At least listen to offers. If the right deal comes along move him and his contract
Mathis - I dotn know. He will command a pretty big contract. If we were to stay with the 4-3 then I say keep him. But since we are switching to the 3-4 I dont know. Do we want to pay a lot of money to a player that we are not sure can make the switch.
1st pick - I still think we should trade the first pick. In our current situtation I think quantity is better than quality (plus I dont think the quality will be that big of a drop off). I would rather have 5 to 6 picks in the first 3 rounds that 3 and 1 being Luck. We can always bring in a vet to handle the offense for a few years. Plus next years draft should be stacked at the QB position.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| wayne87reggie wrote: | Now as for the D!
Definately think we should switch to 3-4. We have some good starting pieces in our front 7!
DE:Nevis
NT:Johnson
DE:Moala
OLB:Mathis
MLB:Pat
MLB:Conner
OLB:Hughes
Leaves us with Freeney, Brackett!
Freeney def needs to restructure, I also think we should entertain offers for him!
Brackett, I think we should think about cutting, I dont see him being too affective in the 3-4, + it would be a nice cap savings!
As far as the secondary, I think we should look to trade bullitt.
Bethea is a beast.
Powers is the man, I actually like some of our young cb's, but could use another stud!
I think we could move Rucker to FS, and Bethea to SS if needed
More thoughts to come...
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Wheeler over Hughes, IMO. He's a better LB, Pass Rusher, and overall football player. He's actually a pretty solid pass rusher. I've seen him line up at DE on numerous occasions, the coaching staff seemed to really like his pass rushing ability.
And just to touch on a few other things that were discussed while I was at the str.....work.
I'll be honest on Luck. The more I watch him, and truly study him, the more I like him. Is he as good of a prospect as Manning? IMO, no, not quite there. But he is probably the best prospect since 04. I'd feel completely comfortable keeping Manning and letting him teach Luck until Manning is ready to take over for Arians 
If we're going to retain one of those 3 receiver, it needs to be Wayne. I'd expect Garcon and Wayne to command roughly the same amount on the FA market, and from someone who's watched every game, gimme Wayne every day.
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I personally believe Hughes is going to make a fine OLB. I think he was a bad fit for the 4-3. Look for Hughes to make more of an impact this year compaired to last (similar to the way Brown improved when we put a FB in front of him).
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[quote="ColtsFan40"]I personally believe Hughes is going to make a fine OLB. I think he was a bad fit for the 4-3. Look for Hughes to make more of an impact this year compaired to last (similar to the way Brown improved when we put a FB in front of him).[/quote]
No offense, but what has he shown to make people think this? The guy has shown literally nothing.
And I'm not sure Brown is the best example to use.... He still averaged less than 4 yards a carry in 5 of the last 8 games. Hell, outside of that blip of a game against Tennesee, he averaged 3.8 YPC over the last 8 games. |
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No offense, but what has he shown to make people think this? The guy has shown literally nothing.
And I'm not sure Brown is the best example to use.... He still averaged less than 4 yards a carry in 5 of the last 8 games. Hell, outside of that blip of a game against Tennesee, he averaged 3.8 YPC over the last 8 games. |
Brown had 645 yards on 134 carries at 4.8 ave. Addia's best year (2007) was 1072 yards on 261 carries at 4.1 ave. If you give Brown another 100 carries those are very similair numbers. I will also point out that our O-line was a lot better in 2007.
As far as Hughes. Most people are looking at his projections coming out of college where most draft analysis had him pegged as an OLB.
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| ColtsFan40 wrote: | | Colton wrote: |
No offense, but what has he shown to make people think this? The guy has shown literally nothing.
And I'm not sure Brown is the best example to use.... He still averaged less than 4 yards a carry in 5 of the last 8 games. Hell, outside of that blip of a game against Tennesee, he averaged 3.8 YPC over the last 8 games. |
Brown had 645 yards on 134 carries at 4.8 ave. Addia's best year (2007) was 1072 yards on 261 carries at 4.1 ave. If you give Brown another 100 carries those are very similair numbers. I will also point out that our O-line was a lot better in 2007.
As far as Hughes. Most people are looking at his projections coming out of college where most draft analysis had him pegged as an OLB. |
I guarantee that if you give Brown another 100 carries his average drops significantly.
He may have been projected there, but he was still a 4-3 end at TCU, and the system we run/ran was an ideal fit for his skill set. I don't see how standing him up and forcing him to cover zones is going to suddenly make him better football player. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| ninjapirate wrote: | | wayne87reggie wrote: | | stallyns wrote: | I agree, it's not like he has to pass a physical to play for us.
I'm still torn on whether to trade no 1 or draft Andrew Luck. |
I would love to trade back and get Claiborne, and a ton of picks |
Have you even heard any rumors of anyone clamoring about moving up to take Luck?
If Luck is supposed to this can't miss qb prospect you would think another team would be interested. |
The offers will come. People in FFMD are always eager to make a splash.
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| Colton wrote: | | ColtsFan40 wrote: | | Colton wrote: |
No offense, but what has he shown to make people think this? The guy has shown literally nothing.
And I'm not sure Brown is the best example to use.... He still averaged less than 4 yards a carry in 5 of the last 8 games. Hell, outside of that blip of a game against Tennesee, he averaged 3.8 YPC over the last 8 games. |
Brown had 645 yards on 134 carries at 4.8 ave. Addia's best year (2007) was 1072 yards on 261 carries at 4.1 ave. If you give Brown another 100 carries those are very similair numbers. I will also point out that our O-line was a lot better in 2007.
As far as Hughes. Most people are looking at his projections coming out of college where most draft analysis had him pegged as an OLB. |
I guarantee that if you give Brown another 100 carries his average drops significantly.
He may have been projected there, but he was still a 4-3 end at TCU, and the system we run/ran was an ideal fit for his skill set. I don't see how standing him up and forcing him to cover zones is going to suddenly make him better football player. |
I'm inclined to agree here. We can definitely upgrade at RB
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:01 am Post subject: |
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So if I'm understanding it right, if we elect to keep Manning then the 28 mil is divided over the 4 years, so it's a 7mil hit this year
Depending on which other contracts we dump, we could definitely be in a situation to keep Manning and draft Luck
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