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biggio7
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It's hard to do this in a mock but the best case scenario for the Texans is a trade out of the first.
2nd- Reuben Randle, WR: LSU
2nd- George Iloka, S/DB: Boise St.
3rd- Dwight Jones, WR: NC or LaMicheal James, RB: Oregon
4th- Senio Kelemete, OG: Washington
4th- Akiem Hicks, DT: Regina
5th- Derek Wolfe, DE: Cincy
6th- Max Gruder, LB: Pitt
7th- D'Anton Lynn, DB: PSU
Based on multiple late trades through a few years that I've seen, I figured the Texans could get a 2nd, a 4th and a 1st or 2nd in the 2013 draft. I did see a team get a 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the same draft year but I'm sure that doesn't happen a lot. And yeah, I'm playing Pats style trade logic. 
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| biggio7 wrote: | It's hard to do this in a mock but the best case scenario for the Texans is a trade out of the first.
2nd- Reuben Randle, WR: LSU
2nd- George Iloka, S/DB: Boise St.
3rd- Dwight Jones, WR: NC or LaMicheal James, RB: Oregon
4th- Senio Kelemete, OG: Washington
4th- Akiem Hicks, DT: Regina
5th- Derek Wolfe, DE: Cincy
6th- Max Gruder, LB: Pitt
7th- D'Anton Lynn, DB: PSU
Based on multiple late trades through a few years that I've seen, I figured the Texans could get a 2nd, a 4th and a 1st or 2nd in the 2013 draft. I did see a team get a 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the same draft year but I'm sure that doesn't happen a lot. And yeah, I'm playing Pats style trade logic. |
I'd like that draft. Not sure Wolfe will last until the 5th, though. I love the consideration of LaMicheal James. One of my favorite players to watch, and a good change of pace guy, and someone who can take over pass-catching duties from RB if Arian is unavailable at all. |
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biggio7
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I did my mock pre combine. So I'm not sold on Senio now after watching it. Reasoning for L. James is for returning purposes and just a speed weapon. The Texans really don't have one of those guys it seems. Unless Trindon really improves his kick return ability.
I doubled dipped on the WR because Jacoby should be gone, and no it's not just cause of the playoff game, and Walter is getting up there in age. Dre is getting worn down but still a beast, knock on wood.
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| Apollo Stallion wrote: | BTW - For those who accuse some of the Green & Gold folks around here of shameless homerism for our Baylor products, I would encourage you to examine the record as most of us are exceptionally hard on the defensive players. Heck, I may have been Phillip Taylor's harshest critic around here last year as I watched Micheal Leshoure gash us up the middle all day live at the Texas Bowl last year and he reminded me of Daryl Gardener & Jason Smith who were both drafted WAYYY over their performance level on the field. I didn't think he warranted anything more than a 3rd round pick, but he seems to have lived up to expectations with the 21st pick last year.
On the flip side, I'm not sure RGIII & Kendall Wright can qualify as underrated anymore (neither even touched 1st or 2nd round mocks until late last season), but I do think C Phillip Blake has as much upside as Danny Watkins did last year and more than JD Walton in 2010. If the Texans wanted to go for a decent marriage of power blocking and ZBS with an athletic former tackle, they could do much worse than grabbing Blake in the 3rd or even 2nd if we let Myers walk.
I also don't understand why Terence Ganaway isn't getting more love as he strikes me as a guy who at least would enter the league with a Michael Bush skillset and upside, or better still, Lagarrette Blount with character, intelligence, and a work ethic. In a 2 back offense, he would provide a bruising interior presence with the occassional "Beast Mode" type run and while I don't necessarily see him in a feature role from the outset, if Peyton Hillis can have a season like he did in 2010, Ganaway has way more upside and very deceptive speed once he's rolling downhill. I simply never saw him get caught from behind and the combine doesn't have a defender chasing a RB to help him find another gear. Some team is going to get one hell of a bargain if Ganaway is still sitting around in the 5th or 6th round. Not sure I love him on the Texans as he's a bit redundant with Tate, but if the Browns grab Griffin, I'm telling you watch out if they get Ganaway as well as he'll easily supplant Hardesty. If I were the Raiders, I would let Bush walk and plug Ganaway in as the power complement to McFadden in Knapp's run heavy system (remember Dunn and Duckett back in the day?). I could also see him as a great complement to Ray Rice in Balt, a replacement for Benson in Cinn, or a guy to groom behind Michael Turner in Atl. |
Agree with this entire post. I remember not wanting to touch Phil Taylor before the 2nd round last year for us, and was upset with us drafting him. Blake is a better player than JD Walton, and will be around for a long time.
Ganaway is a crowd favorite. He runs strong, finishes runs and isn't afraid of contact. He's not going to juke anyone including defensive backs, but whatever team drafts him will love his attitude toward the game. |
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^^^ It's why i'm kind of peculiar about the love of Nicolas Jean Baptise. He's a good player; sure. But i've seen some guys talk about taking him in the 3rd round.. there is just no way
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As of right now.....
Fletcher Cox
Marvin Jones
Philip Blake
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Given the depth at WR, I'm starting to think Dontari Poe in the 1st round would be the smartest selection. We could go B2B with WRs in the 2nd and 3rd, and get key guys. Not sure if we could do the same thing with NT, where the dropoff from Poe to the next guy (Ta'amu?) is much bigger.
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| EliteTexan80 wrote: | | Given the depth at WR, I'm starting to think Dontari Poe in the 1st round would be the smartest selection. We could go B2B with WRs in the 2nd and 3rd, and get key guys. Not sure if we could do the same thing with NT, where the dropoff from Poe to the next guy (Ta'amu?) is much bigger. |
Are you forgetting Chapman or think he's below Ta'amu.
I know he had surgery to repair a torn ACL, but he also played on that torn ACL half the year. So we know toughness is there. Further with Cody under contract we don't need him THIS year.
I personally like drafting with the strength. That means don't avoid WR in the 1st just because it is a deep class. If 1st rounder is there take him.
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| mse326 wrote: | | EliteTexan80 wrote: | | Given the depth at WR, I'm starting to think Dontari Poe in the 1st round would be the smartest selection. We could go B2B with WRs in the 2nd and 3rd, and get key guys. Not sure if we could do the same thing with NT, where the dropoff from Poe to the next guy (Ta'amu?) is much bigger. |
Are you forgetting Chapman or think he's below Ta'amu.
I know he had surgery to repair a torn ACL, but he also played on that torn ACL half the year. So we know toughness is there. Further with Cody under contract we don't need him THIS year.
I personally like drafting with the strength. That means don't avoid WR in the 1st just because it is a deep class. If 1st rounder is there take him. |
I'm not. I just know that knee injuries with 300+ guys are MUCH trickier than others. He played on it, he had it repaired...but I'm worried about the damage that may of happened while he was playing on it. Goodness knows that the ACL really regulates against bone on bone grinding and the "shaving" of bone into bone chips, which is the precursor for osterioarthritis, which is basically incurable. You add that to the daily grind his joints deal with carring around a 300+ lb frame, you have a scary situation for a person who equates out to a long term monetary investment. That knee is going to cause problems for him, regardless if he starts now or in Y2, Y3, etc...
There's toughness, and there is being stupid. Unless it's an SB or a chance to play in an SB, playing on a torn ACL is filed under "being stupid" in my book. I tip my hat to the guy, but the extended damage that is within that knee has to be BAD. Remember, a torn ACL complicates the entire integrity of the knee, no matter what he does...whether he's rushing the passer or running up a flight of stairs. I shudder to think about what kind of damage this has done to his MCL, PCL, LCL, IT bands, Patella Tendon, Meniscus...he's an early candidate for microfracture 2-3 years down the line, and that's no lock procedure to correct anything that goes on in the knee.
Sure, ACL repair has reached a zenith in regards to repairing the ACL itself...but the OTHER pieces around the knee have to carry the weight of that injury and repair, and I'm worried about that.
It's for that reason alone I have Josh Chapman rated lower than Ta'amu. Had the knee not been jacked up, or had he got it repaired immidiately...I'd be more likened to keeping them on an even keel.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| EliteTexan80 wrote: | | Given the depth at WR, I'm starting to think Dontari Poe in the 1st round would be the smartest selection. We could go B2B with WRs in the 2nd and 3rd, and get key guys. Not sure if we could do the same thing with NT, where the dropoff from Poe to the next guy (Ta'amu?) is much bigger. |
I also like Brandon Thompson for our scheme. Most scouting reports have him as more of a 4-3NT but should still fit us well. Rated as 2nd rounder by most.
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Yeah, Poe just jumped to the top of my list now.
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| EliteTexan80 wrote: | | Yeah, Poe just jumped to the top of my list now. |
My only issue is only 1 sack and I think 8 tfl's in CUSA. I get he probably didn't have much else around him, but the talent he was going against wasn't the same either. If this guy is really a top 15 talent (like this combine is indicating) I would expect much better production in college especially at a non-BCS school.
That tells me he may have the measurables and athleticism but lacks either the drive or more likely the technique.
If he falls to us, then fine take him. But giving up more picks this year or next to move up is pretty risky for a guy that you really need to coach up.
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Post combine mock....
Round 1. Fletcher Cox. A good sized NT with a great burst and solid hands. He can attack the gaps and apply pressure up the gut and is stout enough to hold the POA. He fits the size bill Wade tends to lean on at the NT spot. He has great character and and 0 red flags, which our staff likes. He would fit in well with our defense.
Round 2. Marvin Jones. I LOVE this kid. Comes from a pro style offense with similar routes and motions. He runs crisp routes and uses his body (though not the biggest guy) to shield the ball and catches almost everything. Great speed and great hands with ok size. IMO the best wide out from this class.....I just have an eye for this thing...
Round 3. Philip Blake. A solid interior line men, best as C. We need depth along the line and a guy who is versatile like Blake is most practical for our scheme. His great combine made him a late 3rd, great value here.
Round 4. Leonard Johnson. A good sized corner who is good at everything, but not spectacular. Will be another guy (similar to Harris from last season) who will come in and sit and gain skills to be a better pro. He could turn into a great number 2 or a great nickel corner. Smith is fascinated by mid round corners, so I doubt the trend stops.
Round 5. Greg Child, a good sized wr. Was a top prospect entering college, but never hit his stride, then tore his ACL. He performed great at the combine and is a risk/reward guy. Great explosion and good speed for his size. Well worth the risk in the 5th.
Round 6. Brandon Bolden. A good rb who always split carries. Never averaged LESS than 4.8 ypc and a good receiver out of the backfield. His measurements do not jump out at you but he is EXTREMELY great at the 3 cone, which is essential for the ZBS imo....Great size and seems to be nifty at his size. Looks like another Foster, but not quite as good. Could be a GREAT 3rd rb on our team.
Round 7. Another late round wr. We need all the competition we can get here.
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| mse326 wrote: | | EliteTexan80 wrote: | | Yeah, Poe just jumped to the top of my list now. |
My only issue is only 1 sack and I think 8 tfl's in CUSA. I get he probably didn't have much else around him, but the talent he was going against wasn't the same either. If this guy is really a top 15 talent (like this combine is indicating) I would expect much better production in college especially at a non-BCS school.
That tells me he may have the measurables and athleticism but lacks either the drive or more likely the technique.
If he falls to us, then fine take him. But giving up more picks this year or next to move up is pretty risky for a guy that you really need to coach up. |
I'd have to see how his scheme allowed him to get to the QB; Was he asked to take up blockers and play stout to the LOS, or was he told to penetrate and get to the QB? At his size and strength, it's feasable his coaches just told him to hold the line and not let anyone past him, allowing for others to get sacks.
I'm not going to bet either way, because I simply don't have time to do the research on the guy. Granted, I've softened up on my top 15 talk a bit; He's a solid player who should be in our grasp, maybe one pick out of range...
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| amazingandre wrote: | Post combine mock....
Round 1. Fletcher Cox. A good sized NT with a great burst and solid hands. He can attack the gaps and apply pressure up the gut and is stout enough to hold the POA. He fits the size bill Wade tends to lean on at the NT spot. He has great character and and 0 red flags, which our staff likes. He would fit in well with our defense.
Round 2. Marvin Jones. I LOVE this kid. Comes from a pro style offense with similar routes and motions. He runs crisp routes and uses his body (though not the biggest guy) to shield the ball and catches almost everything. Great speed and great hands with ok size. IMO the best wide out from this class.....I just have an eye for this thing...
Round 3. Philip Blake. A solid interior line men, best as C. We need depth along the line and a guy who is versatile like Blake is most practical for our scheme. His great combine made him a late 3rd, great value here.
Round 4. Leonard Johnson. A good sized corner who is good at everything, but not spectacular. Will be another guy (similar to Harris from last season) who will come in and sit and gain skills to be a better pro. He could turn into a great number 2 or a great nickel corner. Smith is fascinated by mid round corners, so I doubt the trend stops.
Round 5. Greg Child, a good sized wr. Was a top prospect entering college, but never hit his stride, then tore his ACL. He performed great at the combine and is a risk/reward guy. Great explosion and good speed for his size. Well worth the risk in the 5th.
Round 6. Brandon Bolden. A good rb who always split carries. Never averaged LESS than 4.8 ypc and a good receiver out of the backfield. His measurements do not jump out at you but he is EXTREMELY great at the 3 cone, which is essential for the ZBS imo....Great size and seems to be nifty at his size. Looks like another Foster, but not quite as good. Could be a GREAT 3rd rb on our team.
Round 7. Another late round wr. We need all the competition we can get here. |
I'm really liking this mock with the exception of Leonard Johnson in the 4th, he's short, slow, and has very short arms. Also I really don't want another mid round CB for training camp competition/depth, we've already got plenty of that on the roster. The rest of the picks I've got no problem with, I'm really liking them. I'd take some depth at ILB in the 4th. |
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