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disaacs
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| vike daddy wrote: | | Freakish Mind wrote: | | Just great, So the replacements for our coaching staff has come from the only two teams that finished with a worst record then we had. |
that's sort of a ridiculous argument, Freakie.
seeing this forum would have been overjoyed if we signed Spags. who comes from a team with a worse record than ours. for two years. |
Yes, it's ridiculous to use one year as the ultimate judgment on a guy's entire career. I guess Jimmy Johnson must have been a terrible coach because the Cowboys went 1-15 in 1 year.
Prior to their crappy year this year, the Colts had never won less than 10 games with Williams on their staff.
And Brendan Daly and I are both alumni of the same school (and if I had stayed there more than 2 years, I probably could have met him, considering he's only 2 years younger than I), so I'm a fan.  And while it may not be fully evidenced statistically, but the Rams' defensive line was significantly better when he left than when he arrived. Chris Long finally delivered on his promise and former Viking Fred Robbins in 2010 had the most sacks in a single year in his career.
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HighHopes
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| vike daddy wrote: | | Freakish Mind wrote: | | Just great, So the replacements for our coaching staff has come from the only two teams that finished with a worst record then we had. |
that's sort of a ridiculous argument, Freakie.
seeing this forum would have been overjoyed if we signed Spags. who comes from a team with a worse record than ours. for two years. |
Yea, but wasnt Spags the DC of the defense that help defeat the undefeated Patriots? Quite frankly, I just want to try another team... lol Lets stop taking DCs from Colts DB coaches lol
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vike daddy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| HighHopes wrote: | | vike daddy wrote: | | Freakish Mind wrote: | | Just great, So the replacements for our coaching staff has come from the only two teams that finished with a worst record then we had. |
that's sort of a ridiculous argument, Freakie.
seeing this forum would have been overjoyed if we signed Spags. who comes from a team with a worse record than ours. for two years. |
Yea, but wasnt Spags the DC of the defense that help defeat the undefeated Patriots? Quite frankly, I just want to try another team... lol Lets stop taking DCs from Colts DB coaches lol |
and wasn't Williams on the staff that had 10+ win seasons for how many years?
all i'm saying is we have to be consistent in how we critique a guy's background.
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PurpleMugen
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| coltsmanic808 wrote: | | PurpleMugen wrote: | So we replaced a coach with no coordinating experience with a coach with no coordinating experience?
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein |
My thought exactly. Sorry I don't have much to add besides this. |
No apology necessary, there's nothing more to add.
People are just trying to defend yet another boneheaded decision in this organization's Barnum & Bailey tenure, like they always do.
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vike daddy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | People are just trying to defend yet another boneheaded decision in this organization's Barnum & Bailey tenure, like they always do. |
even though that's a bit of an insult, i'll take the higher road and try to elaborate how i feel.
i don't know if i'm being characterized as a guy who "always defends boneheaded decisions," i'd like to think that every decision just deserves a small time frame at least to see if it was a proper one or not.
i guess there are those geniuses out there who can see it all in advance and just KNOW what the future brings. but call me whatever, i just look at it as optimistically as i can until there's evidence it was the wrong move. there is no evidence that hiring Williams is a bad move. just as there was none for Tomlin before him.
following Vikings football for me is about having fun. i don't have millions of dollars invested in their future, and before someone states we as fans invest our time to the Vikings, i'll remind them i've invested 40+ years.
guys get so worked up over issues that haven't even happened yet. seriously, Williams hasn't even been hired, and guys are throwing him and his potential ability under a bus.
i sure hope none of you are treated like that by your new co-workers or customers when you take a new job.
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | coltsmanic808 wrote: | | PurpleMugen wrote: | So we replaced a coach with no coordinating experience with a coach with no coordinating experience?
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein |
My thought exactly. Sorry I don't have much to add besides this. |
No apology necessary, there's nothing more to add.
People are just trying to defend yet another boneheaded decision in this organization's Barnum & Bailey tenure, like they always do. |
Let's not discuss each other please, only discuss Williams as a potential DC.
I question why you think this is a boneheaded move? What leads you to believe that? Were not going to hire some seasoned defensive coordinator who is a mad scientist at crafting aggressive blitz schemes. That isnt going to happen, and the sooner that idea is let go, the easier it will be to truly judge Williams as a DC.
He has a track record of a decade of developing DBs for teams that have consistently been better than average in pass defense. That is the biggest concern defensively, is it not? |
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ProudHorn
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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So it begins, Frazier starts surrounding himself with "yes men".
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Call me crazy, but I like the move. Its clear that we have struggled to acquire secondary talent though out the last X amount of years. So what do we do? We go out and get a guy who has a knack for finding and developing secondary talent. And in later rounds I might add you.
It's definitely not a flashy move, and at first I was left scratching my head. But at least we can hit the senior bowl with our staff on hand and get this ball rolling.
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vike daddy
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| ProudHorn wrote: | | So it begins, Frazier starts surrounding himself with "yes men". |
so it intensifies. guys being discarded with now no time to see what they have.
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| The Gnat wrote: | | Quote: | | Alan Williams has accepted the #Vikings DC position and Brendan Daly the DL coaching job, per the team's Web site. |
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Hey, atleast the search is over. Daly is a good hire for the Dline coach. |
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disaacs
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Yesiree Bob...I can count the number of boneheaded moves the Vikings have made under Wilf's ownership:
Drafting Adrian Peterson, despite Chester Taylor being a good RB
Signing Brett Favre, who led them within 1 game of the Super Bowl
Drafting Percy Harvin
Signing Steve Hutchinson
Standing firm on Daunte Culpepper when he joined the crazy train
Bringing in Ryan Longwell and Chris Kluwe to solidify the K/P situations
Bringing in Visanthe Shiancoe
Trading for Jared Allen
Hiring Mike Tomlin, who ended up as a HC the next season
Sure, they've made mistakes as they are apt to do, but let's not discount the things they've done right. They're not perfect, but they try to do things the right way. They aren't Red McCombs, who'd sell out his children in order to make a profit, or Roger Headrick and Mike Lynn, who were more disorganized than my workspace and more self-interested than Narcissus.
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PurpleMugen
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^disaacs, I'm actually referring to the organization after the Frazier hiring. I wasn't this down on them when Childress was here, so you're missing my point, though that may be because I didn't clarify well enough earlier.
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ArcticNorseman
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The new era begins . . . now let's see what these guys can do.
I'm a bit concerned that Singletary's still involved - according to the Star Tribune, he and pagac will split LB coaching. I hope they give their full support to Williams and don't get into saboture roles . . .
The other concern is the DB coach . . . Williams and Frazier need to bring in a new one.
Daly has good talent to work with - some of the best in the league actually. Now, if they can get back to the run-stopping form we expect, and sustain the pass rush, this DL should be feared.
So, it boils down to how will Williams blend the strengths of the DL and LBs with the DBs and set up schemes to handle opponents.
I hope he gets the reigns to call shots and put his stamp on things, much like Dungy did after Floyd Peters, and much like Tomlin and Frazier did after whoever - did we have a D coordinator under Tice? |
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vike daddy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ArcticNorseman wrote: | | I'm a bit concerned that Singletary's still involved - according to the Star Tribune, he and pagac will split LB coaching. |
actually i read that Pagac will be the LB Coach, and Singletary will assist him with LB's, and remain as Frazier's Asst Coach.
so i prefer Pagac returning to have full responsibility for LB's, but also agree that Singletary's continuing involvement is troubling and confusing.
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