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Do any of you guys think he will have a break-out season next season?
I don't I think is going continue to suck especially at rushing the passer. I really wanted JPP and thought would only be a 8 sack guy at best. Now I don't think he can even do that. I want to get rid of him to be honest . I know it was his second season and he was coming back for a torn ACL injury but I just don't see a great pass rusher or okay pass rusher. |
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MrOneWayRoad
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He was never even considered an elite pass rusher. Coming into the draft, playing the run was his strength...
I haven't been thrilled with him either, but give me a break. He's coming off an ACL injury, and this was basically his rookie year. I wouldn't just cut him like that without at least seeing what he can do with a full off season and what will "hopefully" be an improved defensive line as a whole with a year of experience together.
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I don't think Blazed mentioned cutting him in the OP... no need to get riled up...
The question is can he have a break-out season... which I think is a possibility depending on what definition is used for break-out. I think he could be capable of 10 sacks and solid run support #s over a full 16 game season. And while that would not put him at elite DE status, it would be a breakout for him, in terms of previous production.
10 sacks is not out of the question for him, but he'll need to find some pass rush support if he's going to get there... maybe slide Jason Jones at the DT spot next to his... and get another true pass rusher on the other side... and and all of a sudden, the pass rush from the line looks like a strength going into the '12 season.
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Yeah I was a fan of JPP more to. every time i start a madden franchise i trade for him  But D morg will be fine. Hes never really gonna be that pass rusher we want him to be IMO. Hes more for stopping the run. If he could do that then id be happy with him
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I wanted Morgan back then and still would take him now. Give Morgan a new knee and put all those other D-Linemen around him like JPP has and you'll see a huge increase in production from Morgan. Morgan was considered the best all-around DE in that draft and I still believe that, this upcoming year should be his breakout year. If not, well the bust label will have his name all over it.
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| ragevsuall17 wrote: | I don't think Blazed mentioned cutting him in the OP... no need to get riled up...
The question is can he have a break-out season... which I think is a possibility depending on what definition is used for break-out. I think he could be capable of 10 sacks and solid run support #s over a full 16 game season. And while that would not put him at elite DE status, it would be a breakout for him, in terms of previous production.
10 sacks is not out of the question for him, but he'll need to find some pass rush support if he's going to get there... maybe slide Jason Jones at the DT spot next to his... and get another true pass rusher on the other side... and and all of a sudden, the pass rush from the line looks like a strength going into the '12 season. |
He said he wanted to get rid of him. I wasn't riled up, I was just saying give the guy a chance.
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| ttitansfan4life wrote: | | I wanted Morgan back then and still would take him now. Give Morgan a new knee and put all those other D-Linemen around him like JPP has and you'll see a huge increase in production from Morgan. Morgan was considered the best all-around DE in that draft and I still believe that, this upcoming year should be his breakout year. If not, well the bust label will have his name all over it. |
Before he got hurt last year i believe he had a sack in every game he played in so he was having a good start. Hopefully Shaun Smith drops a few pounds and really ajusts to playing in a 4-3. If him Casey Klug can really create a good DT tandum to help Morgan out but we still need another DE or 2 cuz Hayes is done. Jones just isnt cutting it at DE id like Jones as a backuo not a starter
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Blazed-
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| Titans fan 617 wrote: | | ttitansfan4life wrote: | | I wanted Morgan back then and still would take him now. Give Morgan a new knee and put all those other D-Linemen around him like JPP has and you'll see a huge increase in production from Morgan. Morgan was considered the best all-around DE in that draft and I still believe that, this upcoming year should be his breakout year. If not, well the bust label will have his name all over it. |
Before he got hurt last year i believe he had a sack in every game he played in so he was having a good start. Hopefully Shaun Smith drops a few pounds and really ajusts to playing in a 4-3. If him Casey Klug can really create a good DT tandum to help Morgan out but we still need another DE or 2 cuz Hayes is done. Jones just isnt cutting it at DE id like Jones as a backuo not a starter |
I like Jones at defensive tackle starting with Klug giving him breaks so he doesn't wear down. |
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| Blazed- wrote: | | Titans fan 617 wrote: | | ttitansfan4life wrote: | | I wanted Morgan back then and still would take him now. Give Morgan a new knee and put all those other D-Linemen around him like JPP has and you'll see a huge increase in production from Morgan. Morgan was considered the best all-around DE in that draft and I still believe that, this upcoming year should be his breakout year. If not, well the bust label will have his name all over it. |
Before he got hurt last year i believe he had a sack in every game he played in so he was having a good start. Hopefully Shaun Smith drops a few pounds and really ajusts to playing in a 4-3. If him Casey Klug can really create a good DT tandum to help Morgan out but we still need another DE or 2 cuz Hayes is done. Jones just isnt cutting it at DE id like Jones as a backuo not a starter |
I like Jones at defensive tackle starting with Klug giving him breaks so he doesn't wear down. |
I was a guy who wanted him back at DE but theres just no perfect spot for this guy. Hes done well at DT but always gets hurt there. So i do not want him starting any where. id rather start Klug and Casey or Casey an Smith if Smith drops some weight and really learns the 4-3 like he said hes gonna work on this offseason. Dont forget this guy only had a month to learn a brand new scheme before playing a real game vs the Jags. Hes been a 3-4 guy his whole career. Hes talked a good game this offseason lets see what he has next August
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What is this crap about Morgan not being known as a pass rusher? That is exactly what he was known for. No one drafts a run stopping DE at 16.
http://www.newerascouting.com/2010/01/20/derrick-morgan-scouting-report/
"Top notch edge rusher that can win the battles time after time with the explosion that gives him the free outside shoulder. Has tremendous short area quickness, as fast as it gets in a five yard window. Uses a healthy balance of moves. Struggles to stay low when using the spin move, but does a nice job of keeping the blocker mentally off balanced...
Fires out of his stance with top tier explosion. Can jump the snap well and be a step by the blocker before the blocker is set up. Outstanding short area quickness that is always on display within the tackle box."
http://thefootballexpert.com/scouting-reports/derrick-morgan-de-georgia-tech.html
"Great size and strength. Plays with good burst off the football. Very strong pass rusher. Shows great technique when using moves (rip, swim, spin). He is his best at speed rush off the edge. Displays great initial pop. He gets low right off the snap which shows great form; this immediately gives him an advantage against the offensive lineman. Has good agility and uses his hands well to disengage linemen. He can run the arch very well. Has a tremendous motor. Can fight through double teams. Uses his hands and arms very well in tackling; shows his strength. Very solid tackler. Good against the run as well."
http://draftbreakdown.com/scouting-report-derrick-morgan
"Morgan has great size, speed, quickness, and power which are all extremely important attributes for a pass rusher in the NFL. A lot of experience starting on Georgia Tech’s defensive line and has played in all but one of his games for his 3 year career. Has an elite first step. High motor player and will keep running every play of every game. Gets under the lineman’s pads well but also has the hand strength and quickness to make sure they don’t lock on. An underrated run defender and he seems to understand his assignment very well; rarely caught out of position."
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MrOneWayRoad
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Ockham wrote: | What is this crap about Morgan not being known as a pass rusher? That is exactly what he was known for. No one drafts a run stopping DE at 16.
http://www.newerascouting.com/2010/01/20/derrick-morgan-scouting-report/
"Top notch edge rusher that can win the battles time after time with the explosion that gives him the free outside shoulder. Has tremendous short area quickness, as fast as it gets in a five yard window. Uses a healthy balance of moves. Struggles to stay low when using the spin move, but does a nice job of keeping the blocker mentally off balanced...
Fires out of his stance with top tier explosion. Can jump the snap well and be a step by the blocker before the blocker is set up. Outstanding short area quickness that is always on display within the tackle box."
http://thefootballexpert.com/scouting-reports/derrick-morgan-de-georgia-tech.html
"Great size and strength. Plays with good burst off the football. Very strong pass rusher. Shows great technique when using moves (rip, swim, spin). He is his best at speed rush off the edge. Displays great initial pop. He gets low right off the snap which shows great form; this immediately gives him an advantage against the offensive lineman. Has good agility and uses his hands well to disengage linemen. He can run the arch very well. Has a tremendous motor. Can fight through double teams. Uses his hands and arms very well in tackling; shows his strength. Very solid tackler. Good against the run as well."
http://draftbreakdown.com/scouting-report-derrick-morgan
"Morgan has great size, speed, quickness, and power which are all extremely important attributes for a pass rusher in the NFL. A lot of experience starting on Georgia Tech’s defensive line and has played in all but one of his games for his 3 year career. Has an elite first step. High motor player and will keep running every play of every game. Gets under the lineman’s pads well but also has the hand strength and quickness to make sure they don’t lock on. An underrated run defender and he seems to understand his assignment very well; rarely caught out of position." |
Guess I was wrong. I don't remember hearing all of this hoopla about him being an elite rusher, but I was obviously mistaken.
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Yeah Ockham was right about Morgan. Coming into the draft he was considered a pass rusher and the top DE in the class. That was one of the main reasons why I was pissed when you guys got him.
I still remember on draft day when Kiper said he won't be known for his pass rush skills. This is the same guy who was hyping up Clausen the whole draft.
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I'm not too worried about Morgan. That 1st year after an ACL is always ruff and most players are not 100%. If he underperforms next year than I will start to worry. I remember morgan being a great pass rusher but great run stopper aswell. That's why he was rated so high coming out of the draft.
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| MrOneWayRoad wrote: | | ragevsuall17 wrote: | I don't think Blazed mentioned cutting him in the OP... no need to get riled up...
The question is can he have a break-out season... which I think is a possibility depending on what definition is used for break-out. I think he could be capable of 10 sacks and solid run support #s over a full 16 game season. And while that would not put him at elite DE status, it would be a breakout for him, in terms of previous production.
10 sacks is not out of the question for him, but he'll need to find some pass rush support if he's going to get there... maybe slide Jason Jones at the DT spot next to his... and get another true pass rusher on the other side... and and all of a sudden, the pass rush from the line looks like a strength going into the '12 season. |
He said he wanted to get rid of him. I wasn't riled up, I was just saying give the guy a chance. |
This you don't cut a player until we see what he can do.
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| TJ_Titans wrote: | | MrOneWayRoad wrote: | | ragevsuall17 wrote: | I don't think Blazed mentioned cutting him in the OP... no need to get riled up...
The question is can he have a break-out season... which I think is a possibility depending on what definition is used for break-out. I think he could be capable of 10 sacks and solid run support #s over a full 16 game season. And while that would not put him at elite DE status, it would be a breakout for him, in terms of previous production.
10 sacks is not out of the question for him, but he'll need to find some pass rush support if he's going to get there... maybe slide Jason Jones at the DT spot next to his... and get another true pass rusher on the other side... and and all of a sudden, the pass rush from the line looks like a strength going into the '12 season. |
He said he wanted to get rid of him. I wasn't riled up, I was just saying give the guy a chance. |
This you don't cut a player until we see what he can do. |
Unless you're Jeff Fisher and the Player is LaGarrette Blount. 
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