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NoHypeNeeded
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I hope to GOD we don't spend our first rounder on a DT. I don't understand why we even have people mocking a DT to us in round one.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| NoHypeNeeded wrote: | | I hope to GOD we don't spend our first rounder on a DT. I don't understand why we even have people mocking a DT to us in round one. |
This. Same with abort offensive lineman that early. If we want a guy who can play in te trenches unless coples is there, I say trade back a couple of spots otherwise don't take d/o line at 15.
Who would you like to see be taken at 15 if we do get a solid linebacker in fa?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| philly fan wrote: | | NoHypeNeeded wrote: | | I hope to GOD we don't spend our first rounder on a DT. I don't understand why we even have people mocking a DT to us in round one. |
This. Same with abort offensive lineman that early. If we want a guy who can play in te trenches unless coples is there, I say trade back a couple of spots otherwise don't take d/o line at 15.
Who would you like to see be taken at 15 if we do get a solid linebacker in fa? |
I would still go LB in the first. There is 100% no need to go d line in the first, maybe O line too especially after choosing Watkins on the O line last year. This team needs LB help though, badly. We've almost entirely abandoned the position with next to no season-to-season continuity, just a constant shuffle of garbage to average to very slightly above average talent. Biggest need we have IMO.
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marky_b27
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| NoHypeNeeded wrote: | | I hope to GOD we don't spend our first rounder on a DT. I don't understand why we even have people mocking a DT to us in round one. |
As we have 3 DTs who are free agents, 1 DT who is over 30 and has been injury prone in his career and another DT who had huge medical problems this past summer.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| marky_b27 wrote: | | NoHypeNeeded wrote: | | I hope to GOD we don't spend our first rounder on a DT. I don't understand why we even have people mocking a DT to us in round one. |
As we have 3 DTs who are free agents, 1 DT who is over 30 and has been injury prone in his career and another DT who had huge medical problems this past summer. |
Poe is the future. i hope we trade up for him
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:41 am Post subject: |
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If you don't go DLine in the first, where do you go?
LB? That's crazy unless you can't get a quality FA. Too big of an immediate need to trust to a rook and there really isn't good value there anyway (and yes, I'm including Keuchly in that remark).
Safety? Who? There is no safety worth pick #15 and the Eagles already spent 2 high picks that haven't even had the chance to develop yet on the position.
Offensive line? The starters should be set if they re-sign Mathis. They need depth there. Depth in Mudd's system can be found throughout the draft.
QB or RB? This should be obvious to anyone.
CB? Maybe. Though the starters should be set for the next few years. If they can somehow get Claiborne that would be hot, but is pretty far out there as a possibility.
WR? Another possibility, I suppose. If Floyd is there, he could be hard to pass up.
The thing is, this class is top heavy with DT talent. You have Brockers, Cox, Still, and possibly Poe, Thompson, and Reyes all arguably first rounders (depending who you talk to).
On the team you have (potentially) Patterson (1 tech), Dixon (1 tech), Landri (1 tech), Thornton (1 tech), Jenkins (3 tech and 30 years old), Laws (3 tech and sucked last year). Notice a pattern here?
While Linebacker is an immediate need and some might say safety is as well, you don't draft for need unless you are rebuilding. You fill the most immediate needs in FA and then identify future needs for the draft. The biggest fututre needs based on player age are QB (obviously not happening here), offensive line (but you can get good developmental guys for the system later), 3 tech DT, and DE (Cole and Babin are both around the 30 club, you need someone opposite Graham assuming he pans out). The Eagles could also use a slot CB (Hanson is the best slot guy they have and he's 30 and on his last year of contract).
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Here's an interesting question for you all.
If we could get Claiborne, but it would cost us to move up to pick #5, would you do it?
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| marky_b27 wrote: | Here's an interesting question for you all.
If we could get Claiborne, but it would cost us to move up to pick #5, would you do it? |
no, too many holes on the D.
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marky_b27
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| ianlewis16 wrote: | | marky_b27 wrote: | Here's an interesting question for you all.
If we could get Claiborne, but it would cost us to move up to pick #5, would you do it? |
no, too many holes on the D. |
Like linebacker, which you know is going to be filled in FA.
I'm going to be well annoyed if we come out of this draft with 10 players like the last couple of years. I want quality over quantity.
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willy_law
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| RainbowCarebear wrote: | | AlexM23 wrote: | What I would like -
Lofton or Tulloch in FA
1st Round: BPA
2nd Round: Ronnell Lewis
2nd Round Andre Branch
3rd Round: T.Y Hilton |
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Yah I could live with it. Not a big fan of Branch but i think he may be able to thrive in the wide-9
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| marky_b27 wrote: | | ianlewis16 wrote: | | marky_b27 wrote: | Here's an interesting question for you all.
If we could get Claiborne, but it would cost us to move up to pick #5, would you do it? |
no, too many holes on the D. |
Like linebacker, which you know is going to be filled in FA.
I'm going to be well annoyed if we come out of this draft with 10 players like the last couple of years. I want quality over quantity. |
I'm not sure I quite understand this philosophy when it comes to the NFL draft. How do you determine what quality picks are on draft day? What makes quality and quantity mutually exclusive in the draft?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| killdawabbit wrote: | | marky_b27 wrote: | | ianlewis16 wrote: | | marky_b27 wrote: | Here's an interesting question for you all.
If we could get Claiborne, but it would cost us to move up to pick #5, would you do it? |
no, too many holes on the D. |
Like linebacker, which you know is going to be filled in FA.
I'm going to be well annoyed if we come out of this draft with 10 players like the last couple of years. I want quality over quantity. |
I'm not sure I quite understand this philosophy when it comes to the NFL draft. How do you determine what quality picks are on draft day? What makes quality and quantity mutually exclusive in the draft? |
I'd rather have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds then trading back numerous times ending up with 6 late round picks. Now these late round picks could be quality players, but it's less likely that it'll happen, and even if it does, it'll take some time for them to develop.
Particularly given how our team is set up (i.e. for the short term), we need guys who can come and challenge for time straight away.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| marky_b27 wrote: | | ianlewis16 wrote: | | marky_b27 wrote: | Here's an interesting question for you all.
If we could get Claiborne, but it would cost us to move up to pick #5, would you do it? |
no, too many holes on the D. |
Like linebacker, which you know is going to be filled in FA.
I'm going to be well annoyed if we come out of this draft with 10 players like the last couple of years. I want quality over quantity. |
I agree with the bolded, but I wouldn't trade up for a player that isn't a need. Or atleast not in the first round. I would only trade up if it's a position of need and it represents good value. Claiborne at 5 would be solid value, but I can't justify that with DRC and Nnamdi as starters.
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marky_b27
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| RainbowCarebear wrote: | | marky_b27 wrote: | | ianlewis16 wrote: | | marky_b27 wrote: | Here's an interesting question for you all.
If we could get Claiborne, but it would cost us to move up to pick #5, would you do it? |
no, too many holes on the D. |
Like linebacker, which you know is going to be filled in FA.
I'm going to be well annoyed if we come out of this draft with 10 players like the last couple of years. I want quality over quantity. |
I agree with the bolded, but I wouldn't trade up for a player that isn't a need. Or atleast not in the first round. I would only trade up if it's a position of need and it represents good value. Claiborne at 5 would be solid value, but I can't justify that with DRC and Nnamdi as starters. |
The reason I like Claiborne (and to a lesser extent Kirkpatrick) is both of them fit what we want our CBs to do. Both are good tacklers (which DRC and Aso aren't) and both can play in the slot. With the NFL becoming passing orientated, the slot CB is becoming a 'starter' position. Combined that with the fact the DRC hasn't impressed so far (though not all of his fault) and is in the last year of his contract means a CB would be good value.
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