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iPwn
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I'm not seeing anything that shows he quit. He started drawing the #1 coverage, and he's not a #1 WR. Of course his stats are going to drop. You also said he had a top of drops, and that wasn't the case either....
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I'm also not seeing where 4 mill a year is overpaying.
On their latest deals, for other #3- #4 options:
Brad Smith gets $3.5 mill a year.
Roscoe Parrish gets $4.2 mill a year.
Lee Evans gets $9.3 mill a year.
Jacoby Jones gets $3.5 mill a year.
Patrick Crayton gets $3.5 mill a year.
Steve Smith (PHI) got $4 mill for a year.
Donald Driver gets $5.7 mill a year.
James Jones gets $3.1 mill a year.
Earl Bennett just inked a deal for $4.5 mill a year.
Greg Camarillo got $9.25 for a year.
Michael Jenkins got $3 mill a year.
Lance Moore gets $4 mill a year.
And there was a few more too, but those were rookie deals or guys who are supposed to become #2s or lost their #2 spot. Plus there was the contracts where a guy signed a $4 mill a year deal to be a #3 and ended up being a #1 (Wes Welker at #3.6 mill a year, for example). It certainly was within the acceptable range for a quality #3, which Mike Thomas is completely capable of being.
And to add to Thomas' value, he's a decent returnman.
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MoJo122-b-21
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| iPwn wrote: | | I'm not seeing anything that shows he quit. He started drawing the #1 coverage, and he's not a #1 WR. Of course his stats are going to drop. You also said he had a top of drops, and that wasn't the case either.... |
I think most of the hard feelings are just coming from the frustration of this past season. His extension was based off what he had shown prior and what his potential can be. It's not a huge contract. His numbers from 2010 make the contract a bargain and I believe its expected that he build on those numbers. I expect him to settle into a better role and develop a rapport with Blaine and return to good production behind a number one next season.
50-70 catches 800-1000 yards and around 5 TD's should be expected for the price and we all kno he can do that, just not against the best corner opposite him.
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| iPwn wrote: | I'm also not seeing where 4 mill a year is overpaying.
On their latest deals, for other #3- #4 options:
Brad Smith gets $3.5 mill a year.
Roscoe Parrish gets $4.2 mill a year.
Lee Evans gets $9.3 mill a year.
Jacoby Jones gets $3.5 mill a year.
Patrick Crayton gets $3.5 mill a year.
Steve Smith (PHI) got $4 mill for a year.
Donald Driver gets $5.7 mill a year.
James Jones gets $3.1 mill a year.
Earl Bennett just inked a deal for $4.5 mill a year.
Greg Camarillo got $9.25 for a year.
Michael Jenkins got $3 mill a year.
Lance Moore gets $4 mill a year.
And there was a few more too, but those were rookie deals or guys who are supposed to become #2s or lost their #2 spot. Plus there was the contracts where a guy signed a $4 mill a year deal to be a #3 and ended up being a #1 (Wes Welker at #3.6 mill a year, for example). It certainly was within the acceptable range for a quality #3, which Mike Thomas is completely capable of being.
And to add to Thomas' value, he's a decent returnman. |
Damn, that is crazy what some of those scrubs get
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| iPwn wrote: | | I'm not seeing anything that shows he quit. He started drawing the #1 coverage, and he's not a #1 WR. Of course his stats are going to drop. You also said he had a top of drops, and that wasn't the case either.... |
Slowing down on routes where Gabbert overthrew him cause he was expecting him to continue running, taking plays off, not giving full effort on running plays, etc.
He showed me he quit.
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| iPwn wrote: | | I'm not seeing anything that shows he quit. He started drawing the #1 coverage, and he's not a #1 WR. Of course his stats are going to drop. You also said he had a top of drops, and that wasn't the case either.... |
I agree with jagsfan18's sentiments on m-80, the guy did not have a ton of drops but he most certainly looked like he was just going through the motions of many of his routes. And so what that he started drawing number 1 coverage, the guy is payed to make plays REGARDLESS of whether he is being blanketed by darrell revis or a scrub CB. Every wreciever in the league should strive to play like a number 1 wreciever on every play regardless of who is covering them, mike thomas backed away from this challenge and gave a pathetic effort on many routes this season IMO, he also did not extend his arms on many catchable passes he could've made had he fully extended his reach instead of having gator arms so to speak.
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iPwn
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I'd like to see the evidence of him quitting. Because I never noticed anything of the sort, and apparently several others didn't either.
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GoJags11
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| iPwn wrote: | | I'd like to see the evidence of him quitting. Because I never noticed anything of the sort, and apparently several others didn't either. |
I never stated verbatim that he quit, however i did state that he didn't give the best effort on many of his routes this season IMO. I truly don't care what you or others notice, this is my opinion and im intitled to it. In my view Jarret Dillard did a better job attacking the ball when thrown to him than m-80 did, granted dillard had a few more drops but he actually looked like he was giving it all when trying to go up for a catch...
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I don't think it was a mistake to sign him to an extension at all. Did he haul in a bit more $$$ than he probably should have? Yeah, sure...but if he gets back on track in a proper role, producing like he can, it's not overpayment by much.
The mistake was in rolling into the season with that wreck of a WR corps. It was embarassing from day 1, and i'm not sure what lead Gene to think it would be serviceable to roll with Thomas as the #1 threat.
Get us a legitimate future #1 BIG target type, and a solid top-end guy to work the outside and add to the deep threat, and suddenly you've got Thomas in the slot creating matchup havoc for opposing defences, and in that situation he WILL put up numbers.
The 'quitting' comments i can partially agree with, but i wouldn't call it that. I WOULD say that at times he showed significant frustration with the situation, playing WAY out of his depth, and to be honest, it never really looked like he was on the same page as Gabbert at all. There was just zero chemistry there (similar problem as with Lewis), but i'm fairly confident that with a solid offseason to work things out and more appropriate personel around them...all 3 of those guys will get things sorted out and start producing respectably. |
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jagsfan18
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| iPwn wrote: | | I'd like to see the evidence of him quitting. Because I never noticed anything of the sort, and apparently several others didn't either. |
Against the Chargers he slowed down on a route that he clearly didn't give full effort for and was picked off by Eric Weddle. The season finale he was chased down by a DE on the reverse towards the end of the game.
All year after he signed his extension his routes became sloppier and seemed like he wasn't trying.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | I'm also not seeing where 4 mill a year is overpaying.
On their latest deals, for other #3- #4 options:
Brad Smith gets $3.5 mill a year.
Roscoe Parrish gets $4.2 mill a year.
Lee Evans gets $9.3 mill a year.
Jacoby Jones gets $3.5 mill a year.
Patrick Crayton gets $3.5 mill a year.
Steve Smith (PHI) got $4 mill for a year.
Donald Driver gets $5.7 mill a year.
James Jones gets $3.1 mill a year.
Earl Bennett just inked a deal for $4.5 mill a year.
Greg Camarillo got $9.25 for a year.
Michael Jenkins got $3 mill a year.
Lance Moore gets $4 mill a year.
And there was a few more too, but those were rookie deals or guys who are supposed to become #2s or lost their #2 spot. Plus there was the contracts where a guy signed a $4 mill a year deal to be a #3 and ended up being a #1 (Wes Welker at #3.6 mill a year, for example). It certainly was within the acceptable range for a quality #3, which Mike Thomas is completely capable of being.
And to add to Thomas' value, he's a decent returnman. |
Just about every single one of those guys are better returners than Thomas, have produced more consistently, and are better suited as #2s. Evans and Driver have multiple 1,000 yard seasons and have been #1s in their careers so I don't know why they were listed.
Look at the extension the Packers were able to get Jordy Nelson to sign. We definitely overpaid. The real question is by how much. |
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JaguarCrazy2832
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| GoJags11 wrote: | | iPwn wrote: | | I'd like to see the evidence of him quitting. Because I never noticed anything of the sort, and apparently several others didn't either. |
I never stated verbatim that he quit, however i did state that he didn't give the best effort on many of his routes this season IMO. I truly don't care what you or others notice, this is my opinion and im intitled to it. In my view Jarret Dillard did a better job attacking the ball when thrown to him than m-80 did, granted dillard had a few more drops but he actually looked like he was giving it all when trying to go up for a catch... |
I actually agree with this assessment. When the ball was thrown to Dillard, it looked like he actually went for a big play on the ball. There were numerous times where the ball was thrown to M-80 and it left me thinking, he could have at least gone for it. Might have been the camera angle, but it happened a handful of times
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| mikeyfarley wrote: | | iPwn wrote: | I'm also not seeing where 4 mill a year is overpaying.
On their latest deals, for other #3- #4 options:
Brad Smith gets $3.5 mill a year.
Roscoe Parrish gets $4.2 mill a year.
Lee Evans gets $9.3 mill a year.
Jacoby Jones gets $3.5 mill a year.
Patrick Crayton gets $3.5 mill a year.
Steve Smith (PHI) got $4 mill for a year.
Donald Driver gets $5.7 mill a year.
James Jones gets $3.1 mill a year.
Earl Bennett just inked a deal for $4.5 mill a year.
Greg Camarillo got $9.25 for a year.
Michael Jenkins got $3 mill a year.
Lance Moore gets $4 mill a year.
And there was a few more too, but those were rookie deals or guys who are supposed to become #2s or lost their #2 spot. Plus there was the contracts where a guy signed a $4 mill a year deal to be a #3 and ended up being a #1 (Wes Welker at #3.6 mill a year, for example). It certainly was within the acceptable range for a quality #3, which Mike Thomas is completely capable of being.
And to add to Thomas' value, he's a decent returnman. |
Just about every single one of those guys are better returners than Thomas, have produced more consistently, and are better suited as #2s. Evans and Driver have multiple 1,000 yard seasons and have been #1s in their careers so I don't know why they were listed.
Look at the extension the Packers were able to get Jordy Nelson to sign. We definitely overpaid. The real question is by how much. |
If we can get a legit #1 WR, we will get Thomas off the #1 CBs and he will have a better chance to earn that contract production-wise. I'm seriously worried though that we wont make a splash in the WR department
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iPwn
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| mikeyfarley wrote: | | Evans and Driver have multiple 1,000 yard seasons and have been #1s in their careers so I don't know why they were listed. |
Because they were paid that much to be #3's. That's why.
| Quote: | | Look at the extension the Packers were able to get Jordy Nelson to sign. We definitely overpaid. The real question is by how much. |
They paid more for Nelson than we did for Thomas. And at that point, Thomas had produced better than Nelson in every year that they had both been in the league.
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Now now iPwn, I know it's cool to fight for your right to party, but there's no denying Thomas sucked big monkey things this year.
And yes, so did Gabtown, before that becomes an issue.
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