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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: D94W's "Young QBs Review" Reply with quote

Dallas94Ware wrote:

*Awfully innaccurate. He tends to throw at his receiver, instead of to them. The slow release and innaccuracy makes one wonder how he hasn't thrown twice as many picks as scores.


He's been horribly lucky with picks, in part due to a low sample size (the bigger the sample size, the more likely his numbers will normalize to more expected values.

I took a look at every QB in history that has had a 50% comp% or lower, and only one had a career INT% below 5.1, which would place Tebow not just dead last but dead last by a lot. The simple fact of the matter is that Tebow has been very fortunate all his misthrows are not ending up in the hands of defenders. You can say he's using magical voodoo powers to somehow keep his widely inaccurate throws away from defenders, but the simple answer is he's just been lucky. There's no chance he'll keep the INTs down like he has so far.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

congrats on the baby, and its good seeing you post again. nice write up
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I guess Christian Ponder isn't a starter?


I thought I typed for Ponder, darnnit! I'll add him asap, I researched him too.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good write-up on Newton.

Heres something I'll add. He is a much better quarterback when he throws to good receivers. Obvious statement is obvious, but its really more than what you'd think. He throws the ball better, is more accurate, and overall just looks better when he's throwing to Smith, Olsen, and Stewart (out of the backfield), compared to throwing to guys like Naanee. It's not really anything on the receiver's side (though Naanee makes his fair share of bad plays), but it seems like Cam's confidence in receivers is really easy to see.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dallas94Ware wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
I guess Christian Ponder isn't a starter?


I thought I typed for Ponder, darnnit! I'll add him asap, I researched him too.

I know he is having a Bad year, but No Freeman, and No Stafford?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for not typing up Ponder. here goes!


Christian Ponder: Stat line - 1141 yds, 6 TDs, 6 INTs

Ponder is a bit of two-sided coin. On one hand, you have the most accurate of the young QBs I've studied - on the other hand, you also have the most inconsistent.

-Ponder is astoundingly accurate. Not the perfect placement type of accuracy, but the type of accuracy where the ball hits the target dead on. This could carry over into better placement, but has yet to do so.

-He's got that high release point you like to see, but he has a bit of an odd throwing motion. I like the high release point though - it usually bodes well for future success at the position.

-Slides away from the pressure fairly well. Keeps his feet "happy" underneath him and plants his foot very well for a young passer.

-Can make all the throws pretty well. I don't think anyone can doubt his ability to get the ball to any point on the field.

-Has some strides of amazing accuracy, but his show of work is hindered by a few factors I hope he overcomes:
*Poor decisions against the blitz. He rushes his throw and is off the mark, despite displaying the accuracy to get the ball where it should go.
*Inconsistent ball placement. For someone who is so accurate with the football, he should have better skills with placing the ball correctly for his receiver.
*Tends to end the play too early by checking down, when it is very possible to extend the play a little with his feet to make the larger play.
*One bad throw or a couple bad throws seems to set him off on a horrible collapse for the rest of the half. He doesn't seem to display the moxy a QB needs to keep his head up and try again, and instead, lets that one bad throw or so turn into a slew of them.

Ponder reminds me a lot of Tony Romo in terms of all the basics, including letting that one bad throw turn into several bad throws sewn together. But the upside here is, his basics are very good - and could easily develop into a larger plate of food for dinner, if you get my analogy. If he can learn to better place the ball, and grow just a bit of confidence, I'm fairly certain he'll become something impressive.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SappDaddyDance wrote:
Dallas94Ware wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
I guess Christian Ponder isn't a starter?


I thought I typed for Ponder, darnnit! I'll add him asap, I researched him too.

I know he is having a Bad year, but No Freeman, and No Stafford?


Stafford is in there.

I liked the write up on Cam. He definitely has room to improve. But I disagree with the assessment that he pulls it down and runs it when he shouldn't. I am sure there are some examples. But overall the guy hangs in the pocket quite a bit. There have been times I have hollered for him to run it and he didn't. I can tell he is is being coached to hang in the pocket. What's great is he is listening.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gerLd wrote:
congrats on the baby, and its good seeing you post again. nice write up


Thanks, thanks, and thanks!!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SappDaddyDance wrote:
Dallas94Ware wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
I guess Christian Ponder isn't a starter?


I thought I typed for Ponder, darnnit! I'll add him asap, I researched him too.

I know he is having a Bad year, but No Freeman, and No Stafford?


I wanted to do Freeman. I'm sorry I didn't. I didn't have the time for another QB to study...I'll do him sometime this week. I promise. I did, however, include Stafford.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great write-ups!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen a bunch of terrible sideline throws by Ponder, and I rarely see any balls thrown successfully outside of the numbers.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J Pep 4 Step wrote:
SappDaddyDance wrote:
Dallas94Ware wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
I guess Christian Ponder isn't a starter?


I thought I typed for Ponder, darnnit! I'll add him asap, I researched him too.

I know he is having a Bad year, but No Freeman, and No Stafford?


Stafford is in there.

I liked the write up on Cam. He definitely has room to improve. But I disagree with the assessment that he pulls it down and runs it when he shouldn't. I am sure there are some examples. But overall the guy hangs in the pocket quite a bit. There have been times I have hollered for him to run it and he didn't. I can tell he is is being coached to hang in the pocket. What's great is he is listening.


He is definitely listening, and is definitely learning! He does stand tall too, and is improving every game a little more with hanging in the pocket and getting the ball up the field. I have a strong opinion that he'll end up being more like Warren Moon when all is said and done, then Vince Young.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't really like your Cam Newton analysis.
He is not like Vince Young at all, and the calls are the way they are due to the Coryell offense, a downfield passing attack. Also, he does not run when he does not have to, if anything, he has not run as much as many expected, he has been a pocket passer.


The calls were not the same for previous QBs under the same offensive schematic, though. The playcalls this time around, with Newton, rely far more heavily on the deep routes with a run option - and throwing in the college based option plays make it a little more clear that they are trying to keep somewhat in his college comfort level.
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Dallas94Ware wrote:
SappDaddyDance wrote:
Dallas94Ware wrote:
SteelKing728 wrote:
I guess Christian Ponder isn't a starter?


I thought I typed for Ponder, darnnit! I'll add him asap, I researched him too.

I know he is having a Bad year, but No Freeman, and No Stafford?


I wanted to do Freeman. I'm sorry I didn't. I didn't have the time for another QB to study...I'll do him sometime this week. I promise. I did, however, include Stafford.

No worries man and congrats on everything! I really like your in depth analysis so much I just wanted to see your thoughts on Freeman.
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I demand you review Curtis Painter good sir!
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