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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:01 pm    Post subject: 2011 Recruiting Class REranked Reply with quote

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140213/recruiting-class-2011-re-rank/

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The problem is that the recruiting rankings don't really matter when they're released. At that point, they're only educated guesses. Puberty, culture shock and chemistry can make all the difference as a group of 17- and 18-year-olds grows into a group of 20- and 21-year-olds. That's why, after each National Signing Day, SI.com looks back three years to see which recruiting classes truly deserved praise. This is a measure of coaching evaluation as well as player development. That's why it's no accident that the Jim Harbaugh/David Shaw staffs at Stanford appeared on this list a couple of years before they began appearing near the top of Signing Day class rankings. The Cardinal have remained a fixture ever since.


Georgia and their top 5 ranking 3 years ago doesn't even make the new list.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love these re-ranking articles, simply because Michigan State always shows up on the list. Also pretty interesting to look at.
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I don't really care much for re-rankings of drafts or recruiting classes the more I learn about the game of football.

Michigan State doesn't always show up higher than they were initially ranked because they landed an outstanding recruiting class, it's because of how they bring players up through the system.

It's all about player development.
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jshowers wrote:
I don't really care much for re-rankings of drafts or recruiting classes the more I learn about the game of football.

Michigan State doesn't always show up higher than they were initially ranked because they landed an outstanding recruiting class, it's because of how they bring players up through the system.

It's all about player development.


Of course, but I think it's also an indicator of talent evaluation. MSU's hit rate with 2 and 3 star guys has been ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gl81 wrote:
jshowers wrote:
I don't really care much for re-rankings of drafts or recruiting classes the more I learn about the game of football.

Michigan State doesn't always show up higher than they were initially ranked because they landed an outstanding recruiting class, it's because of how they bring players up through the system.

It's all about player development.


Of course, but I think it's also an indicator of talent evaluation. MSU's hit rate with 2 and 3 star guys has been ridiculous.


What is there hit rate on those guys (legit question)?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1King wrote:
gl81 wrote:
jshowers wrote:
I don't really care much for re-rankings of drafts or recruiting classes the more I learn about the game of football.

Michigan State doesn't always show up higher than they were initially ranked because they landed an outstanding recruiting class, it's because of how they bring players up through the system.

It's all about player development.


Of course, but I think it's also an indicator of talent evaluation. MSU's hit rate with 2 and 3 star guys has been ridiculous.


What is there hit rate on those guys (legit question)?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1King wrote:
gl81 wrote:
jshowers wrote:
I don't really care much for re-rankings of drafts or recruiting classes the more I learn about the game of football.

Michigan State doesn't always show up higher than they were initially ranked because they landed an outstanding recruiting class, it's because of how they bring players up through the system.

It's all about player development.


Of course, but I think it's also an indicator of talent evaluation. MSU's hit rate with 2 and 3 star guys has been ridiculous.


What is there hit rate on those guys (legit question)?



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1King wrote:
gl81 wrote:
jshowers wrote:
I don't really care much for re-rankings of drafts or recruiting classes the more I learn about the game of football.

Michigan State doesn't always show up higher than they were initially ranked because they landed an outstanding recruiting class, it's because of how they bring players up through the system.

It's all about player development.


Of course, but I think it's also an indicator of talent evaluation. MSU's hit rate with 2 and 3 star guys has been ridiculous.


What is there hit rate on those guys (legit question)?
It's ridiculous.
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13. Tennessee Way off: Offensive tackle Tiny Richardson and linebacker A.J. Johnson were excellent, but the majority of this class has struggled to make an impact in the SEC. (Though dismissed tight end Cam Clear may do it all at Texas A&M in 2014.)


Sounds about right. Way off might be an understatement.
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Thats a little harsh on Georgia. Of course Isaiah Crowell being an idiot doesnt help, but we've gotten some dang good players from that class. Ray Drew, Sterling Bailey, Ramik Wilson, Amarlo Herrera, and Damian Swann are all starters on defense for the 2014 season. Malcolm Mitchell, Justin Scott-Wesley, Chris Conley, Jay Rome, and David Andrews will be starters on offense this year, and John Jenkins is already in the NFL. Besides Crowell, Christian LeMay seems to be the biggest bust from the class.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1King wrote:
gl81 wrote:
jshowers wrote:
I don't really care much for re-rankings of drafts or recruiting classes the more I learn about the game of football.

Michigan State doesn't always show up higher than they were initially ranked because they landed an outstanding recruiting class, it's because of how they bring players up through the system.

It's all about player development.


Of course, but I think it's also an indicator of talent evaluation. MSU's hit rate with 2 and 3 star guys has been ridiculous.


What is there hit rate on those guys (legit question)?



Here's a list of guys who were 3 stars or under and have made it to the league:

QB Kirk Cousins 07 3 star
TE Garrett Celek 07 2 star
WR BJ Cunningham 07 3 star
LB Greg Jones 07 3 star
CB Chris Rucker 07 3 star
CB Johnny Adams 08 3 star
WR Keshawn Martin 08 3 star
S Trenton Robinson 08 2 star
DT Jerel Worthy 08 3 star
RB Le'Veon Bell 10 2 star
DB Darqueze Dennard 10 2 star

There are others in the 09, 10, and 11 classes who either will definitely be drafted or have a pretty good shot. This also doesn't take into account that QB-RB combo we made the Rose Bowl with was a 3 star QB and former 3 star converted DB.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody wrote:
1King wrote:
gl81 wrote:
jshowers wrote:
I don't really care much for re-rankings of drafts or recruiting classes the more I learn about the game of football.

Michigan State doesn't always show up higher than they were initially ranked because they landed an outstanding recruiting class, it's because of how they bring players up through the system.

It's all about player development.


Of course, but I think it's also an indicator of talent evaluation. MSU's hit rate with 2 and 3 star guys has been ridiculous.


What is there hit rate on those guys (legit question)?
It's ridiculous.


Don't be mad.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gl81 wrote:
1King wrote:
gl81 wrote:
jshowers wrote:
I don't really care much for re-rankings of drafts or recruiting classes the more I learn about the game of football.

Michigan State doesn't always show up higher than they were initially ranked because they landed an outstanding recruiting class, it's because of how they bring players up through the system.

It's all about player development.


Of course, but I think it's also an indicator of talent evaluation. MSU's hit rate with 2 and 3 star guys has been ridiculous.


What is there hit rate on those guys (legit question)?



Here's a list of guys who were 3 stars or under and have made it to the league:

QB Kirk Cousins 07 3 star
TE Garrett Celek 07 2 star
WR BJ Cunningham 07 3 star
LB Greg Jones 07 3 star
CB Chris Rucker 07 3 star
CB Johnny Adams 08 3 star
WR Keshawn Martin 08 3 star
S Trenton Robinson 08 2 star
DT Jerel Worthy 08 3 star
RB Le'Veon Bell 10 2 star
DB Darqueze Dennard 10 2 star

There are others in the 09, 10, and 11 classes who either will definitely be drafted or have a pretty good shot. This also doesn't take into account that QB-RB combo we made the Rose Bowl with was a 3 star QB and former 3 star converted DB.


So you don't actually have a hit rate or any #'s to back up your statement (I'm not disputing your claim that MSU has had some success, was wondering if you had #'s to compare the various programs)? These type of things scream teams like Iowa and Virginia Tech to me.

Didn't realize/forgot that bum Chris Rucker made the league.
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From 07-12, MSU has had an average class rating of 34.6 according to Rivals. Since 2010 (most of 07 class's senior year), MSU has won 11 games 3 times, and two big ten titles.

And even if I did come up with some number and compared it to other schools, other variables would have to be taken into account, such as what constitutes a "hit" and whose "hits" are stronger.

On MSU's 2013 Rose Bowl squad, they started just three players who were 4 stars on Rivals. Blake Treadwell, Isiah Lewis, and Max Bullough.

Two 2*s received all-america honors in Dennard and DE Shilique Calhoun.
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1King wrote:
gl81 wrote:
1King wrote:
gl81 wrote:
jshowers wrote:
I don't really care much for re-rankings of drafts or recruiting classes the more I learn about the game of football.

Michigan State doesn't always show up higher than they were initially ranked because they landed an outstanding recruiting class, it's because of how they bring players up through the system.

It's all about player development.


Of course, but I think it's also an indicator of talent evaluation. MSU's hit rate with 2 and 3 star guys has been ridiculous.


What is there hit rate on those guys (legit question)?



Here's a list of guys who were 3 stars or under and have made it to the league:

QB Kirk Cousins 07 3 star
TE Garrett Celek 07 2 star
WR BJ Cunningham 07 3 star
LB Greg Jones 07 3 star
CB Chris Rucker 07 3 star
CB Johnny Adams 08 3 star
WR Keshawn Martin 08 3 star
S Trenton Robinson 08 2 star
DT Jerel Worthy 08 3 star
RB Le'Veon Bell 10 2 star
DB Darqueze Dennard 10 2 star

There are others in the 09, 10, and 11 classes who either will definitely be drafted or have a pretty good shot. This also doesn't take into account that QB-RB combo we made the Rose Bowl with was a 3 star QB and former 3 star converted DB.


So you don't actually have a hit rate or any #'s to back up your statement (I'm not disputing your claim that MSU has had some success, was wondering if you had #'s to compare the various programs)? These type of things scream teams like Iowa and Virginia Tech to me.

Didn't realize/forgot that bum Chris Rucker made the league.
Don't forget Wisconsin. 3 stars or lower who have made an NFL roster or will be on a roster for this upcoming season...

04
OL Kraig Urbik
FB Chris Pressley
LB Mike Newkirk
K Taylor Mehlhaff
DB Jack Ikegwuonu

05
DE Matt Shaughnessy
LB DeAndre Levy
LB Jonathan Casillas
TE Garrett Graham
DE O'Brien Schofield
HB PJ Hill
S Chris Maragos (transfer)

06
OL Gabe Carimi
OL John Moffitt
QB Scott Tolzein
OL Bill Nagy

07
WR David Gilwreath
QB Russell Wilson (transfer)
DE JJ Watt (transfer)

08
DB Marcus Cromartie
TE Jack Byrne
K/P Brad Nortman
FB Bradie Ewing
OL Kevin Zeitler
DB Shelton Johnson
OL Ricky Wagner

09
OL Travis Frederick
LB Chris Borland (projected)
TE Jacob Pederson (projected)
OG Ryan Groy (projected, will at least make a practice squad if not drafted)
RB James White (projected)
WR Jared Abrederis (projected)
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