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bagh


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:38 am    Post subject: Draft Build Up Reply with quote

So I know we are 5 weeks into the season, but I think all of us are already starting to develop an idea on what we think the Giants need. We have an idea on what position is a weakness and which is a position of strength.

I know some folks watch college football and a lot of us dont. It will allow those amateur scouts a venue to talk about "Giant centric" draft prospects and those uninitiated a chance to increase their knowledge level.

I will also be posting other websites mock drafts from time to time throughout the year before the actual draft frenzy as a build up as a means of starting discussions.

Without further ado, here is the first list of Mock Drafts:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24739572/mock-draft-three-qbs-projected-in-top-10-but-not-at-no-1

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20. New York Giants -- Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia: The Giants have received solid play from veteran Rashad Jennings and are excited about the progress of rookie Andre Williams. Neither, however, possesses Gurley's talent. While it may be true that running backs don't hold as much value in today's NFL, few positions offer more immediate impact when a star is found. For a team built to win now, Gurley could be an intriguing option.


http://sabotagefootball.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/too-early-mock-draft-v0-2-2-rounds/

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26. New York Giants -- Devin Funchess, WR/TE, Michigan


http://draftseason.com/2015-nfl-mock-draft/

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11. New York Giants - Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford

Analysis: I wasn’t a fan of the Giants opting to not add another offensive tackle in 2014, so o-line tops my list of needs for the G-Men. Manning doesn’t have a ton of years left but the ones he does have the Giants need to give him some love up front or he could be in for another year like 2014.


So these drafts are all over the place. A lot of them seem to suggest we need help on offence. I am of the mind that our line still needs work and some of the mock drafts that suggest that the Giants draft offensive lineman appeal to me. I haven't seen any suggestions anyone suggest we draft a DT even though Jenkins isnt getting any younger and we havent seen Bromley at all.

So with that being said, what do you think? Who are you watching on Saturday afternoon and why do you think they are a good fit for the Giants?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say it every year, but defense wins championships and we need help at DE, DT, LB, CB, S

If we picked another RB in the 1st, I don't know what I would do, but I would not be happy.

The other two drafts are from June and July 6th so they are a little out of date but

I don't think we will draft a TE or WR in the 1st either being that we have 3 good Wide Receivers and hopefully an ascending TE.

Or an OT as Beatty has come back in a big way and Pugh has been very solid.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RB ? RB ? RB ?


Are you kidding me ?
If Reese spends another 1st round pick on a freaking RB I swear I'll become an Eagles fan.

This isn't 1975.

DL line will be a need. I'd say LB but I've given up. S as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im so glad someone brought up the draft for 2015 love it! Was honestly gonna make a 2015 Draft Thread but u got me beat!

In my opinion from where we stand now.. I gotta think defence is where we are gonna go this next draft.. Obviously yes this is subject to change as the season pans out but as of now defence I am almost certain is gonna be like the first 2-3 picks.

So hard to say where our pick falls but at this moment in time.. Safety is where im eyeing or even a Cornerback in the 1st. DE / DT or OLB in the 2nd. With how early we are right now into the season its so hard really say what we do. At this point I gotta think a CB because a safety like Prewitt can be had in the 2nd. I gotta think Trae Waynes if hell fall to us or possibly DE Shawn Oakman at this point in time. Lets go A or B.

My reasoning on a S or CB in the first is simple. Safety because Antel isn't getting any younger, Cooper Taylor cant stay healthy and lack of depth. But IMHO Landon Collins is the only 1st Rd worthy safety.. Highly doubt he falls to us. CB for the reason Walter Thurmond probably wont be here next yr. Prince is in a contract year, Jayron Hosely seems to have fallen off the map and may be let go (today matter of fact) and honestly just from a bodys standpoint we don't have the manpower. The big deal though is dollars and cents.. Prince MUST be resigned and after that it could be at least DRC, Prince, Waynes and McBride. I just don't see us re-upping with Thurmond after a 2 game season. I think I have to put a higher emphasis on CB play because as were seeing already.. coverage helps the Dline out big time.

Now option B. Assume Collins, Waynes aren't there but a guy like Shawn Oakman or Vic Beasley are sitting there. This really becomes a toss up. Where do u go? Beasley is an all out athlete who could could drop back in coverage as an OLB for us.. something we serverly lack in the LB play. Or Oakman.. who looks like he could line up inside outside on the line and has a good pass rush ability.

Reasoning on this one.. JPP is in a contract year, Ayers was signed thru 2015 and Kiwi isn't getting any younger.. Rotational play from Oakman would be a big asset to regaining a great pass rush again and also spell our older guys like Jenkins and Kiwi.

So for now id say
A= Trae Waynes CB/Mich St. *1st, Arik Armstead DE/Oregon *2nd
B= Shawn Oakman DE/Baylor *1st, Cody Prewitt S/Ole Miss *2nd
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am actually hoping for a Safety.

I don't think we will be going LB early for at least 2 seasons. Thats basically the length of the contract for McLain and Beason. You will most likely see another 4th or 5th rounder used on a LB.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pass rush or safety. Versatile OG in the second. Pass rush or safety (whichever not taken in the 1st) in the 3rd. LB and change of pace RB in the 4th or 5th. (Idk the prospects well enough, outside the big names, to be listing players.)

That is if the value is there of course. Also, free agency will obviously have a large effect on everything, but this is how I see it right now.


Also, regarding Oakman above, I doubt he's going to be available when we pick. Unless he busts somehow throughout the season and ends up not being a 1st rounder, he's going to propel himself to the top of the boards. Dude is an absolute beast! Same with Randy Gregory.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would love to finally get a stud LB. If I have to see Herzlich on the field again...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

minutemancl wrote:
Would love to finally get a stud LB. If I have to see Herzlich on the field again...


me too. but we know its just not gonna happen. and there isn't a linebacker that is even good enough for us to consider this year.

as of right now I would love:
Oakman (fuh-reeeak!!)
La-El Collins (best run blocker in the draft)
Beasley (arguably best all-around d-lineman)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bagh wrote:
I don't think we will be going LB early for at least 2 seasons.


We won't go LB as long as Reese is GM.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shotgundraw wrote:
bagh wrote:
I don't think we will be going LB early for at least 2 seasons.


We won't go LB as long as Reese is GM.


This.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jerseyboy257 wrote:
Pass rush or safety. Versatile OG in the second. Pass rush or safety (whichever not taken in the 1st) in the 3rd. LB and change of pace RB in the 4th or 5th. (Idk the prospects well enough, outside the big names, to be listing players.)

That is if the value is there of course. Also, free agency will obviously have a large effect on everything, but this is how I see it right now.


Also, regarding Oakman above, I doubt he's going to be available when we pick. Unless he busts somehow throughout the season and ends up not being a 1st rounder, he's going to propel himself to the top of the boards. Dude is an absolute beast! Same with Randy Gregory.


It is doubtful, but hey we landed Prince Amukamara in a draft with Patrick Peterson. Prince was supposed to be a top 10 pick whom fell to us. This next draft youll be see teams going QB heavy in the top of the round and offensive weapons I believe. Any which way we cut it, how we finish dictates what or whom we can go with at our spot in the rounds.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Right

I don't see us going corner in the first, if we're going secondary then it has to be a safety imo. I hope we can resign WT3 for a cheap 1 year deal and give him another shot. I think our CB corps is one of the best in the league and possibly the best in terms of depth. I mean, you have 5 players who were starters last year on the roster and none who played badly really. Starters are obviously very good. I hope we can resign Rolle as we need that veteran leadership presence back there. If Will Hill had the least bit of self control, and Beason back healthy, I think we would have had a pretty special defense, considering the break-outs of Williams and Hankins, while Moore is getting there.

And I'm personally a big fan of La'ell Collins. When I was doing my own online scouting on Jeremy Hill last year, he really stuck out on tape as someone who could be a top 10 pick, and I searched him up on here and he was getting some hype. But unless things take a turn for the worse in production or health, there should be absolutely no reason for us to take a LT as Will Beatty has quietly been playing at a very high level, having his best season yet. Let's not forget he was dealing with an injury last year.
edit- Unless management decides to slide Pugh in to RG and drafts Collins as a RT, which is unlikely barring his regression, but I still think he's going to be a very high, top 10 pick and gone before we pick, unless we finish the year 3-8 or worse.

And I say it every year, as well as many of you on here, we are not taking a LBer in the first, unless it's a speedy, pass-rushing specialist/hybrid type OLB. It is hard to say until Free Agency concludes and our draft spot, but I think safety and DL would have to be the likely candidates. Maybe a guard, but I'd be fine waiting to rds. 2/3 for that.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Vic Beasley remind anyone else of Melvin ingram?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think safety will be near the top of the list by the end of the year. Rolle isn't getting any younger, and we have JAG playing the other safety position. Landon Collins appears to be the big name right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free Agents:

Antrel Rolle
JPP
Walter Thurmond
Adam Snyder
Stevie Brown
Jacquian Williams
Spencer Paysinger
Henry Hynoski
Quintin Demps
Jerrel Jernigan
James Brewer
Mike Patterson
John Jerry
Charles Brown
Zackary Bowman
Daniel Fells
Larry Donnell
Michael Cox
Kris Adams

Rolle is 32 in December, might be losing touch, and is in the media too much. Jerry will likely go somewhere else for better pay, and everyone else doesn't bring enough to the team or is coming back from injury. As for signing players in free agency I'll say nothing too special comes in. Maybe a decent starting safety and a DT.

Soooo on to the actual topic. The Draft.

1st Pick is a DE. I'm thinking Shawn Oakman. Big guy. Can possibly play NASCAR if Fewell want's more of that, and future replacement for Kiwi. Also we love DEs.

2nd Pick is a S. Doubt there were any good ones available in the 1st so here is where we get one.

3rd Pick is a DT. Someone to play across Hankins.

4th Pick is a ILB. I don't know, I don't think we draft a OLB since we have Kennard so I'll just say we draft a ILB. Beason has injury concerns anyways.

5th Pick is a RB. The more I see Andre Williams and Jennings run around the more I think about what could've been if Wilson was still here. We need a RB with speed, and possibly returning capabilites. Not a fan of Beckham on punt returns. Also Jennings is a bit injury prone and Williams is bound to run into a few himself the way he runs.

6th Pick and 7th Pick include a offensive lineman and a corner, not necessarily in that order.

I might have over done this reply Embarassed but hey what the heck. Looking over it now I feel like the draft is extremely defense orientated. Not entirely comfortable with that.. doesn't seem realistic. But yea that's my 2 cents. Tell me what you guys think.
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