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Texas_OutLaw7
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Say what? I'm not saying don't fine Hall, but 5x what Jenkins was given? C'mon now. |
Um. Absolutely? Jenkins was at least in the play as it happened. He was frustrated and pushed him - which got the proper fine.
Hall took a cheap shot at Dez to the face. Which was shown on TV. And shown several times. Clearly baiting Dez to get him ejected. It was actually pretty classless by Hall.
Footballs a mans game. People will have personal fouls while playing. It happens (not condoning it) but it does. Absent a play - looking for a fight and landing a cheap shout is childish and has no place in football.
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Woz wrote: |
Say what? I'm not saying don't fine Hall, but 5x what Jenkins was given? C'mon now. |
Um. Absolutely? Jenkins was at least in the play as it happened. He was frustrated and pushed him - which got the proper fine. |
Pushed him? Garcon was halfway in the end zone when Jenkins drilled him in the back sending him to the back wall about 10 yards further. Completely inexcusable.
Again, I'm not saying that Hall's fine wasn't deserved (it was). I'm just objecting to the difference in fines. |
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Texas_OutLaw7
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Pushed him? Garcon was halfway in the end zone when Jenkins drilled him in the back sending him to the back wall about 10 yards further. Completely inexcusable.
Again, I'm not saying that Hall's fine wasn't deserved (it was). I'm just objecting to the difference in fines. |
Which would make it the first time Jenkins ever drilled anyone. 
I get what your saying though. But you have to keep in mind fines are pre-set. It's not an arbitrary amount.
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Huh? Both infractions were after the play was dead. Once Moss crosses the goal line the play is dead. So both were dead ball fouls. Not sure why, even with the pre-set amounts for infractions, that Jenkins' infraction wasn't considered to be at least as bad as Hall's. Especially given the fact that Jenkins' actions could've injured Moss. Whereas noone is afraid of Hall's swiping hands at their face.
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| Thaiphoon wrote: | | Huh? Both infractions were after the play was dead. Once Moss crosses the goal line the play is dead. So both were dead ball fouls. Not sure why, even with the pre-set amounts for infractions, that Jenkins' infraction wasn't considered to be at least as bad as Hall's. Especially given the fact that Jenkins' actions could've injured Moss. Whereas noone is afraid of Hall's swiping hands at their face. |
...What?
Jenkins was touching him before he crossed the plane. He was grabbing him and then shoved him. Players don't suddenly stop momentum and movement the second the ball crosses the line.
Dez v Hall was not during a play.
I have no idea what game you were watching.
EDIT: Note. I am not defending Jenkins. It was stupid what he did. But it's not as if he suddenly came up to...wait. Moss? We are not talking about Garcon?
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You also have to remember that Jenkins isn't really known for or had many prior incidents with the league as far as fines.
Hall has a history of this kind of stuff, therefore his fine with higher.
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Thaiphoon wrote: | | Huh? Both infractions were after the play was dead. Once Moss crosses the goal line the play is dead. So both were dead ball fouls. Not sure why, even with the pre-set amounts for infractions, that Jenkins' infraction wasn't considered to be at least as bad as Hall's. Especially given the fact that Jenkins' actions could've injured Moss. Whereas noone is afraid of Hall's swiping hands at their face. |
...What?
Jenkins was touching him before he crossed the plane. He was grabbing him and then shoved him. Players don't suddenly stop momentum and movement the second the ball crosses the line.
Dez v Hall was not during a play.
I have no idea what game you were watching.
EDIT: Note. I am not defending Jenkins. It was stupid what he did. But it's not as if he suddenly came up to...wait. Moss? We are not talking about Garcon? |
Yeah Garcon, that was my bad.
I was watching the same game you were.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012112201/2012/REG12/redskins@cowboys#menu=highlights|contentId%3A0ap2000000099191&tab=analyze
Take a gander at the play again. He lays a hand on him just as he is crossing the plane.
Now...keep watching...
The shove takes place after Garcon crossed the end line. A full 10 yards after the play is dead and 11 yards after Jenkins first touches Garcon's jersey.
Again, play was over. Both are dead ball fouls. IMHO both are just as egregious as the other.
Edit: I know players don't just stop their momentum on a dime. But that last push was out of bounds and Jenkins had 10 yards to disengage once he saw that Garcon had scored.
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Ugh! Looks like Seattle is going to win 
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| THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | Ugh! Looks like Seattle is going to win |
Brandon Marshall says not so fast!!!
Going to OT!!!
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Alas, it wasn't meant to be.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Thaiphoon wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Thaiphoon wrote: | | Huh? Both infractions were after the play was dead. Once Moss crosses the goal line the play is dead. So both were dead ball fouls. Not sure why, even with the pre-set amounts for infractions, that Jenkins' infraction wasn't considered to be at least as bad as Hall's. Especially given the fact that Jenkins' actions could've injured Moss. Whereas noone is afraid of Hall's swiping hands at their face. |
...What?
Jenkins was touching him before he crossed the plane. He was grabbing him and then shoved him. Players don't suddenly stop momentum and movement the second the ball crosses the line.
Dez v Hall was not during a play.
I have no idea what game you were watching.
EDIT: Note. I am not defending Jenkins. It was stupid what he did. But it's not as if he suddenly came up to...wait. Moss? We are not talking about Garcon? |
Yeah Garcon, that was my bad.
I was watching the same game you were.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012112201/2012/REG12/redskins@cowboys#menu=highlights|contentId%3A0ap2000000099191&tab=analyze
Take a gander at the play again. He lays a hand on him just as he is crossing the plane.
Now...keep watching...
The shove takes place after Garcon crossed the end line. A full 10 yards after the play is dead and 11 yards after Jenkins first touches Garcon's jersey.
Again, play was over. Both are dead ball fouls. IMHO both are just as egregious as the other.
Edit: I know players don't just stop their momentum on a dime. But that last push was out of bounds and Jenkins had 10 yards to disengage once he saw that Garcon had scored. |
Okay cool, was making sure we were talking about the same thing.
Let me start off by saying Jenkins was an idiot. Then let me say there was contact before he crossed and then after he crossed (while technically the play is over - the bodies don't stop) and then Jenkins added extra force - which was dumb. But they were not equal situations to Dez v. Hall which was done not in the heat of the moment. Where as Jenkins was.
And as LR pointed out, Hall also has a history - which influences fines whereas Jenkins does not.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Thaiphoon wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Thaiphoon wrote: | | Huh? Both infractions were after the play was dead. Once Moss crosses the goal line the play is dead. So both were dead ball fouls. Not sure why, even with the pre-set amounts for infractions, that Jenkins' infraction wasn't considered to be at least as bad as Hall's. Especially given the fact that Jenkins' actions could've injured Moss. Whereas noone is afraid of Hall's swiping hands at their face. |
...What?
Jenkins was touching him before he crossed the plane. He was grabbing him and then shoved him. Players don't suddenly stop momentum and movement the second the ball crosses the line.
Dez v Hall was not during a play.
I have no idea what game you were watching.
EDIT: Note. I am not defending Jenkins. It was stupid what he did. But it's not as if he suddenly came up to...wait. Moss? We are not talking about Garcon? |
Yeah Garcon, that was my bad.
I was watching the same game you were.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012112201/2012/REG12/redskins@cowboys#menu=highlights|contentId%3A0ap2000000099191&tab=analyze
Take a gander at the play again. He lays a hand on him just as he is crossing the plane.
Now...keep watching...
The shove takes place after Garcon crossed the end line. A full 10 yards after the play is dead and 11 yards after Jenkins first touches Garcon's jersey.
Again, play was over. Both are dead ball fouls. IMHO both are just as egregious as the other.
Edit: I know players don't just stop their momentum on a dime. But that last push was out of bounds and Jenkins had 10 yards to disengage once he saw that Garcon had scored. |
Okay cool, was making sure we were talking about the same thing.
Let me start off by saying Jenkins was an idiot. Then let me say there was contact before he crossed and then after he crossed (while technically the play is over - the bodies don't stop) and then Jenkins added extra force - which was dumb. But they were not equal situations to Dez v. Hall which was done not in the heat of the moment. Where as Jenkins was.
And as LR pointed out, Hall also has a history - which influences fines whereas Jenkins does not. |
Ok, I see where you're coming from. I was just looking at it from a dead ball perspective.
Still, I must disagree in that a slap to the head by a DB on a helmeted WR (is this the incident we're talking about with Hall?) is not going to cause injury. Pushing a WR into the wall at the end of the endzone could cause an injury (concussion, injury to knees, ankles, etc...). This is why I thought that that type of fine should've been higher than was levied, although I certainly understand why Hall got more than a base fine due to his history.
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I'm saving up every penny so I can go to the Dallas home game. If that ends up deciding the division winner... The "RG3" chants will be so thunderous... I'm so pumped!!
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We closed the McClain thread so I decided to put this in here. For those of you wanting him it looks like a Titus Young situation where his teammates don't even want him anymore.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5712/rolando-mcclain |
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thanks for posting Sassan11. Yeah, the guy is just bad news it seems all the way around and has been a dissapointment on the football field. Thanks for posting bro.
| Quote: | According to FOX's Jay Glazer, suspended MLB Rolando McClain's attitude has been a problem in Oakland for awhile.
"Players there, they're telling me this has been an ongoing problem with Rolando McClain," Glazer reported Sunday. "The tipping point was last week. Somebody asked him, 'Do you even care?' He said, 'I've got four million reasons not to care.'" Like Titus Young in Detroit, McClain is going to have a hard time gaining acceptance in his own locker room. He's likely played his last game in a Raiders uniform. |
Dec 4 - 6:25 PM
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Umm yeah... No thanks! 
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