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MaddHatter
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 Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: FF Preseason Rankings: #3 3-4 OLB Runoff |
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Stemming from this thread, who will be the better 3-4 OLB in 2011?
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MaddHatter
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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CM3 gets all the hype, has a ton of talent surrounding him, and is on the more high profile team, but I honestly believe Wake will have the better season and be the better player in 2011.
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In 16 games, Wake had 15 Sacks, 28 QB Hits, 21 TFL's, 4 PD and 3 FF (Total of 71 negative plays)
Matthews in 15 games had 13 sacks, 24 QB Hits, 17 TFL's, 4 PDs and 1 FF (total of 59 negative plays)
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G3RMANATOR
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| MaddHatter wrote: | CM3 gets all the hype, has a ton of talent surrounding him, and is on the more high profile team, but I honestly believe Wake will have the better season and be the better player in 2011.
In 2010:
In 16 games, Wake had 15 Sacks, 28 QB Hits, 21 TFL's, 4 PD and 3 FF (Total of 71 negative plays)
Matthews in 15 games had 13 sacks, 24 QB Hits, 17 TFL's, 4 PDs and 1 FF (total of 59 negative plays) |
Clay Matthews is a great pass rusher and excellent in pass coverage, yet just average in run support. Cameron wake is a beast. That is all.
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JaguarCrazy2832
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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I know the numbers are there, but i just love CM3's coverage ability along with his elite pass rushing numbers. I think he is a better triple threat
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EnglishLion20
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Cant argue with Stats...
Think Matthews is a great pass rusher, but Wake has the overall more complete game....
Wake for me here
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ShimSham
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| EnglishLion20 wrote: | Cant argue with Stats...
Think Matthews is a great pass rusher, but Wake has the overall more complete game....
Wake for me here |
Yet, the stats don't give a good idea of effective someone is in coverage, and I'd say Matthews gets a big bump over Wake in that regard. And for a 34OLB, coverage is very much a big part of making a player "complete."
I'm not sure how often Wake was rushing vs dropping, but I do know that Matthews was dropping into coverage for ~34% of opposing QB drop-backs last year. My perception, which can be skewed since it's just based on what I've watched, is that Wake doesn't get dropped into coverage very much.
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MaddHatter
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe BlaqOptic can weigh in with actual coverage stats - mine didn't have them and I didn't buy FO's Almanac
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ShimSham
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | Maybe BlaqOptic can weigh in with actual coverage stats - mine didn't have them and I didn't buy FO's Almanac |
Rashan from the Packer forum charted every Packer player's coverage stats, which I believe were pretty consistent with most other outlets. I just don't have a link to Rashan's thread on hand.
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MaddHatter
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| ShimSham wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | Maybe BlaqOptic can weigh in with actual coverage stats - mine didn't have them and I didn't buy FO's Almanac |
Rashan from the Packer forum charted every Packer player's coverage stats, which I believe were pretty consistent with most other outlets. I just don't have a link to Rashan's thread on hand. |
That'd be half the answer, still would need Wake's 
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ShimSham
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | ShimSham wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | Maybe BlaqOptic can weigh in with actual coverage stats - mine didn't have them and I didn't buy FO's Almanac |
Rashan from the Packer forum charted every Packer player's coverage stats, which I believe were pretty consistent with most other outlets. I just don't have a link to Rashan's thread on hand. |
That'd be half the answer, still would need Wake's |
Oh I know, but it helps.
Well it would, if I remembered the thread. 
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adamq
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I think Clay Matthews will have a better year.. He may not get as many sacks, but he is a much better all around player IMO.
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| G3RMANATOR wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | CM3 gets all the hype, has a ton of talent surrounding him, and is on the more high profile team, but I honestly believe Wake will have the better season and be the better player in 2011.
In 2010:
In 16 games, Wake had 15 Sacks, 28 QB Hits, 21 TFL's, 4 PD and 3 FF (Total of 71 negative plays)
Matthews in 15 games had 13 sacks, 24 QB Hits, 17 TFL's, 4 PDs and 1 FF (total of 59 negative plays) |
Clay Matthews is a great pass rusher and excellent in pass coverage, yet just average in run support. Cameron wake is a beast. That is all. |
Because Wake is better in run support?
GB had pretty phenomenal run defense for how bad both OLBs are at it supposedly.
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WaterBear56
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Per eye test, he was horrid at coverage his rookie year but worked at it all offseason prior to 2010 and it was never an issue during a game. Provided, he was passrushing the large majority of the time.
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Imarobot
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Going with Wake between these two.
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Imarobot
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Going with Wake between these two.
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