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Who will be the 3rd best OLB in 2011?
Cameron Wake
43%
 43%  [ 26 ]
Clay Matthews
56%
 56%  [ 34 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:21 pm    Post subject: FF Preseason Rankings: #3 3-4 OLB Runoff Reply with quote

Stemming from this thread, who will be the better 3-4 OLB in 2011?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CM3 gets all the hype, has a ton of talent surrounding him, and is on the more high profile team, but I honestly believe Wake will have the better season and be the better player in 2011.

In 2010:
In 16 games, Wake had 15 Sacks, 28 QB Hits, 21 TFL's, 4 PD and 3 FF (Total of 71 negative plays)
Matthews in 15 games had 13 sacks, 24 QB Hits, 17 TFL's, 4 PDs and 1 FF (total of 59 negative plays)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
CM3 gets all the hype, has a ton of talent surrounding him, and is on the more high profile team, but I honestly believe Wake will have the better season and be the better player in 2011.

In 2010:
In 16 games, Wake had 15 Sacks, 28 QB Hits, 21 TFL's, 4 PD and 3 FF (Total of 71 negative plays)
Matthews in 15 games had 13 sacks, 24 QB Hits, 17 TFL's, 4 PDs and 1 FF (total of 59 negative plays)


Clay Matthews is a great pass rusher and excellent in pass coverage, yet just average in run support. Cameron wake is a beast. That is all.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the numbers are there, but i just love CM3's coverage ability along with his elite pass rushing numbers. I think he is a better triple threat
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cant argue with Stats...

Think Matthews is a great pass rusher, but Wake has the overall more complete game....

Wake for me here
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishLion20 wrote:
Cant argue with Stats...

Think Matthews is a great pass rusher, but Wake has the overall more complete game....

Wake for me here

Yet, the stats don't give a good idea of effective someone is in coverage, and I'd say Matthews gets a big bump over Wake in that regard. And for a 34OLB, coverage is very much a big part of making a player "complete."

I'm not sure how often Wake was rushing vs dropping, but I do know that Matthews was dropping into coverage for ~34% of opposing QB drop-backs last year. My perception, which can be skewed since it's just based on what I've watched, is that Wake doesn't get dropped into coverage very much.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe BlaqOptic can weigh in with actual coverage stats - mine didn't have them and I didn't buy FO's Almanac
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
Maybe BlaqOptic can weigh in with actual coverage stats - mine didn't have them and I didn't buy FO's Almanac

Rashan from the Packer forum charted every Packer player's coverage stats, which I believe were pretty consistent with most other outlets. I just don't have a link to Rashan's thread on hand.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShimSham wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
Maybe BlaqOptic can weigh in with actual coverage stats - mine didn't have them and I didn't buy FO's Almanac

Rashan from the Packer forum charted every Packer player's coverage stats, which I believe were pretty consistent with most other outlets. I just don't have a link to Rashan's thread on hand.


That'd be half the answer, still would need Wake's Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
ShimSham wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
Maybe BlaqOptic can weigh in with actual coverage stats - mine didn't have them and I didn't buy FO's Almanac

Rashan from the Packer forum charted every Packer player's coverage stats, which I believe were pretty consistent with most other outlets. I just don't have a link to Rashan's thread on hand.


That'd be half the answer, still would need Wake's Wink

Oh I know, but it helps.

Well it would, if I remembered the thread. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Clay Matthews will have a better year.. He may not get as many sacks, but he is a much better all around player IMO.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G3RMANATOR wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
CM3 gets all the hype, has a ton of talent surrounding him, and is on the more high profile team, but I honestly believe Wake will have the better season and be the better player in 2011.

In 2010:
In 16 games, Wake had 15 Sacks, 28 QB Hits, 21 TFL's, 4 PD and 3 FF (Total of 71 negative plays)
Matthews in 15 games had 13 sacks, 24 QB Hits, 17 TFL's, 4 PDs and 1 FF (total of 59 negative plays)


Clay Matthews is a great pass rusher and excellent in pass coverage, yet just average in run support. Cameron wake is a beast. That is all.


Because Wake is better in run support?

GB had pretty phenomenal run defense for how bad both OLBs are at it supposedly.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Per eye test, he was horrid at coverage his rookie year but worked at it all offseason prior to 2010 and it was never an issue during a game. Provided, he was passrushing the large majority of the time.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going with Wake between these two.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going with Wake between these two.
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