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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The LBC wrote:
40's are overrated for every position in the league except for wide receivers and cornerbacks.
40's are very important, because they allow you to grade the 10 yard split. They have to keep their feet under them in the 40 opposed to a 10, which allows for accurate burst ratings.

It's like the 3 cone, you want to stop the watch as soon as the player starts gaining speed around that last corner. Not when he lunges for the line.
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We just saw a Chargers draft that AJ didn't make a single trade. This may a sign of the apocalypse.
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MrDrew wrote:
We just saw a Chargers draft that AJ didn't make a single trade. This may a sign of the apocalypse.

Happened in 2009 didn't it?

Strange that he trades up when he ideally doesn't have the ammo, but in a year he does have the ammo he sits back and makes all the picks. Probably smart since there is a lot of uncertainty on the defensive side of the ball.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beal went 247th?? Ouch Shocked

Schyular Oordt wasn't drafted time to pick him up best blocking TE in the draft by far aint even close.
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After looking back on this draft, I really like it. Love every pick except for that Mouton pick. Liuget fills our biggest need quite well. Glad to see that Jacques Cesaire has finally been upgraded. Gilchrist can play cb, nickel, fs, ss, be a gunner on coverage teams, and return kicks and punts. That is the definition of versatility. I hate the Mouton pick, would have preferred Justin Houston or Martez Wilson. I like the Vincent Brown pick. He compares to Derrick Mason and the team has done well with receivers. I like the Shareece Wright pick. He looks like he has 1st round talent but has some character/injury concerns. He probably can be Quentin Jammer's eventual replacement. Solid pick. I LOVE the Jordan Todman pick. He was a projected 3rd rounder, and looks like a Ray Rice clone. We may have a new Tomlinson/Turner/Sproles in Mathews/Tolbert/Todman. The Stephen Schilling pick was solid. I think he'll push Vasquez at RG and possibly be Kris Dielman's eventual replacement at LG. He was good value, too. I don't know much about Glachkar, but if he is a good special teams specialist, then it's a good pick since it was in the 7th round.

I think next year's depth chart will look like
offense
QB-Rivers, Volek
RB-Mathews, Tolbert, Todman
FB-Hester, Summers
WR-Jackson, Floyd, Crayton, Brown, Ajirotutu
TE-Gates, McMichael, ?
LT-McNeill, Dombrowski
LG-Dielman, Green
C-Hardwick, ?
RG-Vasquez, Schilling
RT-Clary, Richmond
defense
LE-Castillo, Cesaire
NT-Garay, Thomas, Nwagbuo
RE-Liuget, Martin
OLB-English, Applewhite, Lang
ILB-Burnett, Butler
ILB-Takeo Spikes(we have the inside track on him), Mouton
OLB-Phillips, Barnes, Lang
CB-Jammer, Wright
FS-Weddle, Gregory
SS-Sanders, Stuckey
CB-Cason, Gilchrist
special teams
K-Kaeding
P-Scifres
LS-Binn
KR-Todman
PR-Gilchrist


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This draft would have gone pretty hard if we had drafted Sheppard or Wilson over mutton chopps. Harris over Gilchrist (or Gilbert over Gilchrist) would've just made it much better. Starting to like Shareece Wright.
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Stone85 wrote:
This draft would have gone pretty hard if we had drafted Sheppard or Wilson over mutton chopps. Harris over Gilchrist (or Gilbert over Gilchrist) would've just made it much better. Starting to like Shareece Wright.


I'll take Gilchrist over Harris. What we needed was a utility player. We got that and we got a good one.
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We spent a 2nd round pick on a pro bowl gunner. Any other year I'd be pissed but after the debacle last year I'm ok with spending a 2nd round pick on a position that directly cost us at least 3 games.
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Stone85 wrote:
Beal went 247th?? Ouch Shocked

Schyular Oordt wasn't drafted time to pick him up best blocking TE in the draft by far aint even close.


Where the heck are you getting this from? Or are you basing it off of the oh-so-stellar competition that Northern Iowa faces, because if you watch tape on the guy it certainly isn't coming from his technique.

His base is narrow - which is suicide for a player as tall as he is, he'll lose the leverage battle every time. He has an extremely lanky build and lacks both the upper and lower body strength to sustain blocks as a TE at the next level without a serious 8-12 months in the weight room. The guy couldn't consistently move FCS caliber players when run-blocking... NFL caliber defenders will eat him alive and ragdoll him.

Look, I like the guy as a potential red zone weapon and maybe developmental TE, but he's practice squad material at best for his rookie year because he doesn't even have the blocking abilities to not be a liability on special teams (kicking units). And I've been seeing you tout him a nubmer of times now as the best blocking TE (have you seen Lee Smith play? Kyle Adams? - who God willing we have a shot at due to our newfound obsession with Big 10 players and AJ's past love for Purdue players.)
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The LBC wrote:
Stone85 wrote:
Beal went 247th?? Ouch Shocked

Schyular Oordt wasn't drafted time to pick him up best blocking TE in the draft by far aint even close.


Where the heck are you getting this from? Or are you basing it off of the oh-so-stellar competition that Northern Iowa faces, because if you watch tape on the guy it certainly isn't coming from his technique.

His base is narrow - which is suicide for a player as tall as he is, he'll lose the leverage battle every time. He has an extremely lanky build and lacks both the upper and lower body strength to sustain blocks as a TE at the next level without a serious 8-12 months in the weight room. The guy couldn't consistently move FCS caliber players when run-blocking... NFL caliber defenders will eat him alive and ragdoll him.

Look, I like the guy as a potential red zone weapon and maybe developmental TE, but he's practice squad material at best for his rookie year because he doesn't even have the blocking abilities to not be a liability on special teams (kicking units). And I've been seeing you tout him a nubmer of times now as the best blocking TE (have you seen Lee Smith play? Kyle Adams? - who God willing we have a shot at due to our newfound obsession with Big 10 players and AJ's past love for Purdue players.)

Mostly joking with that, but he'd be a great UDFA signing. I think he's a better blocker than Lee Smith but I don't know anything about Kyle Adams.

He's the same weight as Antonio Gates, he's just a little taller. 6'6 261 is lanky? He has the frame to get bigger but I don't see how that is lanky, even though I've seen him called that before. I wouldn't even want him to get much bigger because of how athletic he is at his size. He's way too athletic for the linebackers in the NFL. He's definitely going to be atleast a good receiver in the NFL, but I also think he's a good blocker too. He is a very, very raw player, and with some coaching for his raw technique, he could be a good blocker. He needs to work on his upper body strength, but that really is no problem for someone in the NFL. Plus he went undrafted, so there is no risk at all.
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By the way, Andre Smith and Lee Smith are the only tight ends in this whole draft who are bigger than Schyular Oordt.
Plus Lee Smith is an alcoholic who's been kicked out of school for DUIs, sounds like someone we really need.
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Stone85 wrote:
By the way, Andre Smith and Lee Smith are the only tight ends in this whole draft who are bigger than Schyular Oordt.
Plus Lee Smith is an alcoholic who's been kicked out of school for DUIs, sounds like someone we really need.


1) Size isn't everything. Plenty of TE's have had the size and - like Oordt thus far - never learned how to appropriately translate that to the blocking game. As to technical blocking ability presently possessed as a prospect - Oordt doesn't even come top 10. among TE's in that category.

2.) What's with this sudden turn to hyperbole all of a sudden? Lee Smith - God I hate standing up for a Patriot like this - had one incident of DUI and was immediately kicked off Tennessee's program. He went on to make the C-USA All-Academic team while at Marshall - that's pretty counterintuitive for an "alcoholic."
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Alcoholic may have been a little overboard but this guy has still made the decision to drive while drunk enough to fail a sobriety test atleast once, so you have to question his off field character and decision making. Also, most people who get DUIs are regular, if not obsessive, drinkers but that is an overgeneralized statement. Being kicked out of school for driving drunk is not an AJ thing but I don't know much else about his character.

What about Shareece Wright? His character concerns?

I know size isn't everything and I don't care that much about it but I really had no idea what you were talking about when you said 6'6 260 is skinny.
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Stone85 wrote:
Alcoholic may have been a little overboard but this guy has still made the decision to drive while drunk enough to fail a sobriety test atleast once, so you have to question his off field character and decision making. Also, most people who get DUIs are regular, if not obsessive, drinkers but that is an overgeneralized statement. Being kicked out of school for driving drunk is not an AJ thing but I don't know much else about his character.

What about Shareece Wright? His character concerns?

I know size isn't everything and I don't care that much about it but I really had no idea what you were talking about when you said 6'6 260 is skinny.


I'm not going to dig it up but there is an interview with the guy on youtube. He said that he really learned from the DUI and has since gotten married and had a kid which has changed his whole outlook on life. He was a young kid who was drinking then made a bad decision to drive afterwards and paid the price dearly by getting kicked out of school. Lets not forget this was 5 years ago as well.

Really hated to see him go to the Pats too..
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Stone85 wrote:
Alcoholic may have been a little overboard but this guy has still made the decision to drive while drunk enough to fail a sobriety test atleast once, so you have to question his off field character and decision making. Also, most people who get DUIs are regular, if not obsessive, drinkers but that is an overgeneralized statement. Being kicked out of school for driving drunk is not an AJ thing but I don't know much else about his character.

What about Shareece Wright? His character concerns?

I know size isn't everything and I don't care that much about it but I really had no idea what you were talking about when you said 6'6 260 is skinny.


Look at his frame. He's built more like an oversized receiver than a TE. Problem is he lacks the speed of a receiver.





That's not a TE build; he's 15+ pounds away from that. His limbs are rail thin. Like I said... red zone weapon, possible 3rd TE that with some added strength could be a be an asset as a kick-blocker and an occasional zone-dissector, but as odd as it sounds... he's under-massed at 6'7, 260 lbs.
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