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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:08 pm    Post subject: Stock Markets Discussion Thread Reply with quote

Idc about how the dow and that crap does. I am into stocks to make money. I am sure some of yall must be as well. Discuss stocks you like/dislike and introduce new ones here.

Ill start. Gushan Environmental. Chinese biodiesel firm. Its cheap-just under $6 a pop- and most estimate its real value at $14-15 range. Debt free. Chinese just eliminated a tax that was hanging the companies head. Now they can reopen already serviceable plants, and look to lead a growing industry which their country has a great desire to see succeed.

A $5.80 a share, this one could be a $20 dollar stock in 2 years, and $100 dollar one in 10 years, according to insiders.

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would consider precious metals, gold or silver, before I considered putting another nickel in the stock market.
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The future of Fuel is in Bio-Fuels made from Algae. Its plentiful, all over the world, floats through the air and we can run cars off of it. If that company has anything to do with this future...I'd buy a lot of that stock.

Once Gas prices get too high, the competition is only going to get better.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would consider precious metals, gold or silver, before I considered putting another nickel in the stock market.


Ehh, they usually fluctuate a lot more than the stock market, although yields usually are a lot higher. If you're that concerned about losing money you should probably just go with bonds.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

These threads are always interesting to read.

If any of you have non-specific, general questions I would be more than happy to point you toward resources. But, as a licensed advisor, I am not allowed to give my opinion on any investment.
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I would consider precious metals, gold or silver, before I considered putting another nickel in the stock market.


Real or in a fund?

Just curious
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Discussion Thread Reply with quote

NextBigThing wrote:
Idc about how the dow and that crap does. I am into stocks to make money. I am sure some of yall must be as well. Discuss stocks you like/dislike and introduce new ones here.

Ill start. Gushan Environmental. Chinese biodiesel firm. Its cheap-just under $6 a pop- and most estimate its real value at $14-15 range. Debt free. Chinese just eliminated a tax that was hanging the companies head. Now they can reopen already serviceable plants, and look to lead a growing industry which their country has a great desire to see succeed.

A $5.80 a share, this one could be a $20 dollar stock in 2 years, and $100 dollar one in 10 years, according to insiders.

Thoughts?


I always ignore the comments from the,"Insiders," who more often than not are simply paid promoters.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hardnecker wrote:
I would consider precious metals, gold or silver, before I considered putting another nickel in the stock market.


Real or in a fund?

Just curious


Fund is the only way to go there unless you have more money than you know what to do with. You've gotta like the mix of actual metals, mining, discovery, etc. companies in a fund to hedge that bet a little bit. I wish I had the money to throw into some of the emerging markets funds as well as maybe an EMEA fund. I'm a poor semi recent college grad though Crying or Very sad
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K-4 wrote:
The future of Fuel is in Bio-Fuels made from Algae. Its plentiful, all over the world, floats through the air and we can run cars off of it. If that company has anything to do with this future...I'd buy a lot of that stock.

Once Gas prices get too high, the competition is only going to get better.


Sounds great if it actually work, unlike the ethanol made from corn. Creates more energy in the long run to create it, although it 'burns' cleaner, and is much much more expensive, if it weren't for the government subsidization of corn, which is actually coming from our pockets to begin with.

The idea sounds great, but can it be practical?
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Does any here ever work with derivatives?
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K-4 wrote:
The future of Fuel is in Bio-Fuels made from Algae. Its plentiful, all over the world, floats through the air and we can run cars off of it. If that company has anything to do with this future...I'd buy a lot of that stock.

Once Gas prices get too high, the competition is only going to get better.


Sounds great if it actually work, unlike the ethanol made from corn. Creates more energy in the long run to create it, although it 'burns' cleaner, and is much much more expensive, if it weren't for the government subsidization of corn, which is actually coming from our pockets to begin with.

The idea sounds great, but can it be practical?
Excellent question. I know a guy doing research on it.

He is actually a mining engineer trying to do it underground with synthetic light for use in abandoned mines and stuff.

Essentially there is a ratio of cost to productivity (known only as "the number") that determines feasibility. To my knowledge he has some work to do.
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steferfootballd wrote:
BrettFavre004 wrote:
K-4 wrote:
The future of Fuel is in Bio-Fuels made from Algae. Its plentiful, all over the world, floats through the air and we can run cars off of it. If that company has anything to do with this future...I'd buy a lot of that stock.

Once Gas prices get too high, the competition is only going to get better.


Sounds great if it actually work, unlike the ethanol made from corn. Creates more energy in the long run to create it, although it 'burns' cleaner, and is much much more expensive, if it weren't for the government subsidization of corn, which is actually coming from our pockets to begin with.

The idea sounds great, but can it be practical?
Excellent question. I know a guy doing research on it.

He is actually a mining engineer trying to do it underground with synthetic light for use in abandoned mines and stuff.

Essentially there is a ratio of cost to productivity (known only as "the number") that determines feasibility. To my knowledge he has some work to do.


Corn ethanol is still less-efficient to produce. What about sugar ethanol? I believe (without having much knowledge) that it's actually feasible right now. I think Brazil is actually doing some pretty good stuff with sugar ethanol.

...

My quick turn at google-fu turned up this. Seems like Brazil has gotten something figured out. Wish we would try something like that...

(As always, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Don't know a lot about this area.)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Stock Markets Discussion Thread Reply with quote

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NextBigThing wrote:
Idc about how the dow and that crap does. I am into stocks to make money. I am sure some of yall must be as well. Discuss stocks you like/dislike and introduce new ones here.

Ill start. Gushan Environmental. Chinese biodiesel firm. Its cheap-just under $6 a pop- and most estimate its real value at $14-15 range. Debt free. Chinese just eliminated a tax that was hanging the companies head. Now they can reopen already serviceable plants, and look to lead a growing industry which their country has a great desire to see succeed.

A $5.80 a share, this one could be a $20 dollar stock in 2 years, and $100 dollar one in 10 years, according to insiders.

Thoughts?


I always ignore the comments from the,"Insiders," who more often than not are simply paid promoters.


Concur. Plus you gotta think, if there's really this big money opportunity then why are they advertising it to the public instead of stacking their own paper Laughing
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fretgod99 wrote:
steferfootballd wrote:
BrettFavre004 wrote:
K-4 wrote:
The future of Fuel is in Bio-Fuels made from Algae. Its plentiful, all over the world, floats through the air and we can run cars off of it. If that company has anything to do with this future...I'd buy a lot of that stock.

Once Gas prices get too high, the competition is only going to get better.


Sounds great if it actually work, unlike the ethanol made from corn. Creates more energy in the long run to create it, although it 'burns' cleaner, and is much much more expensive, if it weren't for the government subsidization of corn, which is actually coming from our pockets to begin with.

The idea sounds great, but can it be practical?
Excellent question. I know a guy doing research on it.

He is actually a mining engineer trying to do it underground with synthetic light for use in abandoned mines and stuff.

Essentially there is a ratio of cost to productivity (known only as "the number") that determines feasibility. To my knowledge he has some work to do.


Corn ethanol is still less-efficient to produce. What about sugar ethanol? I believe (without having much knowledge) that it's actually feasible right now. I think Brazil is actually doing some pretty good stuff with sugar ethanol.

...

My quick turn at google-fu turned up this. Seems like Brazil has gotten something figured out. Wish we would try something like that...

(As always, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Don't know a lot about this area.)


Sugar ethanol is easier to produce, but requires a different climate and significant land use. The price of sugar ethanol isn't felt so much in the wallet as it is in the loss of rainforest.

Sugar ethanol is definitely an easier get than corn ethanol, but the real success or failure of biofuels will come from the use of cellulosic material or from algae. As it stands we're simply never going to be able to grow enough corn or sugarcane to satisfy the world's liquid fuel needs.
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Iggles wrote:
Sugar ethanol is easier to produce, but requires a different climate and significant land use. The price of sugar ethanol isn't felt so much in the wallet as it is in the loss of rainforest.

Sugar ethanol is definitely an easier get than corn ethanol, but the real success or failure of biofuels will come from the use of cellulosic material or from algae. As it stands we're simply never going to be able to grow enough corn or sugarcane to satisfy the world's liquid fuel needs.


Yeah the only two renewable fuels that stand a chance as far as i'm concerned are waste gases from organics (methane from poo and algae) and solar panels. Both are limited by the sheer volume required to run the world. Efficiencies will need to improve drastically.

I like the potential of solar panels to someday cover the rooftops of every building and car, but only if we drive their efficiences much higher than the limiting 10-20% that we're seeing now.
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