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Gatoradus


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Gatoradus mock Reply with quote

More, more, and more things changed since then; Max Starks went out for the season, our O-line looked maybe worse than last year, WR corp couldn't read the zone/man to man coverage, and our DB still get burnt badly.

Things are looking to change next few weeks; Jeff Reed getting waived. We might shuffle our cornerbacks again, seeing Keenan Lewis and Czendon Butler. Might get more injuries to our O-line. Troy Polamalu either get back to his swagger-style or not. This mock drafts are based on situational options.

A) Everything works out, going BPA:

1). Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida. Many said that Mike is no Maurkice, but Maurkice neither as here's some interesting facts. Mike is a better guard than Maurkice and this is true. Mike is older than Maurkice, which means he's actually bigger (6'5" and 325) and interesting thing is that he played as DT for Florida during his freshman year. Overall, he's going to lock down as our best guard on the roster and the communication don't get any better than between Mike and Maurkice, No I'm not picking him because he's a brother, but because he's a great candidate to take over for Essex.

2). Terrence Tolliver, WR, Louisana State. We are missing a tall wr, terribly. Tolliver isn't the most upside wr of this draft or anything but one thing i can tell you this; he runs good routes and hang on to balls. We have too many WR/Kr hybrids on this roster (Ward in early of his career, Randle El, Wallace, Sanders, and Brown) so I'm not complaining but i think it's time for us to be realistic and get somebody who at least play right away. Tolliver will be a solid #2, maybe even better #1??

3). Jeron Johnson, SS, Boise State. I have seen many saying we need a cornerback in this draft however my problem with this is that there are many talented cornerbacks but this isn't a very deep pool of cornerbacks, which means good chance once we draft them beyond 3rd round, they wouldn't make the team. Come Johnson, the guy who could easily replace Mundy and maybe even Will Allen/Ryan Clark. Johnson is a smart safety who have a knack of making plays and stop the running game.

4). DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas. I know I know, a te this early?! If you guys have seen him this year, you would know he can replace Spaeth easily as easily also replace David Johnson. David Johnson is too short and doesn't have the athleticism to making catches and run. Spaeth is too weak, I would feel better if he's our 3rd TE, which I think will happen if this pick come through. DJ Williams is a strong TE who also can catch very well. Think Chris Cooley.

5). Alex Henery, K, Nebraska. I think it is safe to draft a kicker this early, the Sepulveda pick hasn't hurted us at all and it helped that he could tackle very well. Anyway back to Henery- he's one of most consistent kicker in NCAA- if i wanted a better prospect i would go for Forbath but I rather to stick with a consistent kicker.

6). Clint Boling, OG, Georgia. If we get Mike Pouncey, we still need other guard for the depth. It's really thin and if you still have Doug Legursky being back up to Essex that tell you we need a better depth.

7). Darren Evans, RB, Virginia Tech. He tore his ACL and has been playing as a back up to Williams. I think he could be a quality back up, providing as a good situational back.

B) Our cornerbacks appear to be bums, our DB coach get fired, and then we get to target for defensive backs in early rounds. In order to completing better draft that give our DB a strong boost, we trade back. Probably a 1st round and 5th for 2nd and 3rd round picks. Means we have more qualities now.

2). Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida. If you have seen him, you would know that he's not an athlete Joe Haden was but he possess a much better coverage skill and instinct than Haden does which possiblilty give him a boost into a starting roster. He held his own against Julio Jones and held AJ Green under 50 receiving yards. Those aren't easy tasks and Jenkins give me some good feelings about him if we get him.

2). Rahim Moore, FS, California in Los Angeles. This guy is a pure ballhawking. Would start right away if he show up and play his butt off. He needs to get back to the junior campaign he had. Then we wouldn't have to put in William Gay for Ryan Clark for situation passing downs.

3). Marcus Cannon, OL, Texas Christians. This guy, Cannon is a better verison of Kemoeatu and he's so massive you'd think you are playing a Japanese Sumo wrestling champion. Best scenario, he start at RT and cement his case as the best running blocking RT. Worst scenario, well not worst but if he can't keep up with the speed he will be playing at RG, possibly LG since he is playing as a LT right now. win-win!

3). Devlier Posey, WR, Ohio State. I see him as other hidden gem in this draft where we keep getting good WR that people didn't want. My case with him is that he have every athleticism, hands, speed, mental, and attitude to become a legitmate #1. Problem is; he's have Terrell Pryor throwing to him all year. Pryor is a qb who runs a lot so Posey's numbers aren't where they should be. When you still have Randle El as a slot WR on your team, you have a problem!

4). Steven Friday, OLB, Virginia Tech. He is a special team demon and a good OLB, similiar to Worilds in almost every bit of athleticism and potential. That has been working into our favor because if you can play special team, you are to stay and also we still need more depth for 3-4 pass rushers.

6). Victor Green, TE. Nevada. He is a good TE who possess good potential to be our red zone weapon. He needs some work at blocking but we have Sean Kugler now, Spaeth's blocking has been improving so I think this may work out.

7). Alex Henery, K, Nebraska. Ah oh well, i just hope that he drops to here Very Happy

I think i covered all needs, what do you all think?? A or B??
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont understand who your #1 pick is in the 2nd draft..

Things I like and dont like..

No way DJ Williams falls to the 4th...You got it right he is a great TE ..but he could go as high as th 1st most likely 2nd..I think kendricks is the first overall TE taken..
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd really like to get another Pouncey. I have seen several Florida games this year and I have been really impressed with him.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright I see what you did with the 2nd draft . I like the 2nd better but saying your trading down and finding and giving reason for a partner are tow very different things.

I like Pouncey.

I like Jenkins but think he is much more valuable prospect in this upcoming draft than Pouncey. Top Cbs in this draft are few..Looks liek Peterson, Amukamora, then Jenkins as I see it..Jimmy Smith is probably next.

Not a big fan of Rahim Moore with this seasons performance..his ratings should have fallen but like so often they neglect so much. His teammate Tony Dye is actually much more impressive as a SS.

Posey does show up a lot.

Wasnt a Boling fan as a Tackle but he is a very good guard. A little undersized for us but he is very versatile and can easily play 4 positions on the line as he does routinely every week. Very good at pulling. He should be gone by the 4th at the latest. Id look for him late 2nd - thru early 4th.

We might have to take Henery in the 3rd as crazy as it seems.. Hopefully we can still get in the 4th. Cross your fingers.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:17 pm    Post subject: draft Reply with quote

you've neglected a big glaring need...de. kesiel and smith are about done and no one to really replace them. we cant keep going into every year with them getting hurt halfway through the season and missing the rest of the year. we need a de in round 1 or 2 imo.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelers75- No DE isn't our biggest weakness. You may want to say that but after watching Eason and Hood playing, no way we will draft a DE, maybe a late 7th round or something but that's it. No need for a early pick of 3-4 DE. Aaron Smith will come back next year or this year, Brett Keisel will be back soon.

JustinPlainNasty- I know this 2nd draft seem maybe unrealistic but there's always some team who is desperate enough to jump up, maybe for one of those tackle. We don't need a tackle, at least not yet.

RandomHero- yeah i know! Pouncey is that good, i mean people keep saying things like if one brother (Mike Vick) is very great, his brother wouldn't be that good (Marcus) or other example of Mannings. People tend to miss the big facts, both are actually pretty good, one are just better at center and other are just better at guard.

I'll say I like Rodney Hudson as overall prospect but thing is his size is too small and he'd be more alikely to get pushed over so from this point he'd be a project. We all need a starter right away and Mike fill the bill.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatoradus wrote:
Steelers75- No DE isn't our biggest weakness. You may want to say that but after watching Eason and Hood playing, no way we will draft a DE, maybe a late 7th round or something but that's it. No need for a early pick of 3-4 DE. Aaron Smith will come back next year or this year, Brett Keisel will be back soon.

JustinPlainNasty- I know this 2nd draft seem maybe unrealistic but there's always some team who is desperate enough to jump up, maybe for one of those tackle. We don't need a tackle, at least not yet.

RandomHero- yeah i know! Pouncey is that good, i mean people keep saying things like if one brother (Mike Vick) is very great, his brother wouldn't be that good (Marcus) or other example of Mannings. People tend to miss the big facts, both are actually pretty good, one are just better at center and other are just better at guard.

I'll say I like Rodney Hudson as overall prospect but thing is his size is too small and he'd be more alikely to get pushed over so from this point he'd be a project. We all need a starter right away and Mike fill the bill.


Hudson's not gonna get pushed over anywhere...The only thing I'd like to see more of is pulling.. Hudson is a better prospect..Ever hear of Teddy Bruschi? Size was his concern..

If strength was a concern, I'd understand...its not..at all. He's faced and outperformed every NFL prospect this and last year..
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustPlainNasty- Yeah but and then look at Legursky. His strength is incredible but he just couldn't stay in his place and make the push. I'm not comparing Legursky to Hudson but in the retrospect of size and position, they'd get pushed over regardless. It is easier to play shorter at center than guard because of the position where you get to push. Okay, say you have Rodney Hudson and Mike Pouncey and one of them will start at RG, which one would you start?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RandomHero- yeah i know! Pouncey is that good, i mean people keep saying things like if one brother (Mike Vick) is very great, his brother wouldn't be that good (Marcus) or other example of Mannings. People tend to miss the big facts, both are actually pretty good, one are just better at center and other are just better at guard.

I remember seeing the Flordia - LSU game and was surprised at how well he moved for his size.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandomHero- yeah! I heard that he ran 5.29 and couldn't believe it... I mean that's slow and haven't seen Mike move that slow. Sure he's not agile as Maurkice but come on, that slow? no way
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember when Florida ran a screen in the 1st quarter I think it was and Pouncey was rumbling. He was a wrecking ball!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, plus i heard that Rodney Hudson may go as a center in NFL.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatoradus wrote:
RandomHero- yeah i know! Pouncey is that good, i mean people keep saying things like if one brother (Mike Vick) is very great, his brother wouldn't be that good (Marcus) or other example of Mannings. People tend to miss the big facts, both are actually pretty good, one are just better at center and other are just better at guard.

Is he worth a 1st round pick? I say top 15 of 2nd round, wh/ is why I believe regardless of where steelers pick I hope they trade back.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be honest with you, if Jenkins were available, I'd take him instead of Pouncey. Jenkins is a day 1 starter. Pouncey is too, but cornerback has more value than guard.

Let me repeat this, regardless of Hudson's domiance, Pouncey is still upcoming draft's guard favorite because of size, talent, and position. if we pick before 25, i say trade down but if after 25, I'm okay with drafting Pouncey.
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JustPlainNasty- Yeah but and then look at Legursky. His strength is incredible but he just couldn't stay in his place and make the push. I'm not comparing Legursky to Hudson but in the retrospect of size and position, they'd get pushed over regardless. It is easier to play shorter at center than guard because of the position where you get to push. Okay, say you have Rodney Hudson and Mike Pouncey and one of them will start at RG, which one would you start?


How can you compare Legs versus Hudson? Hudson is one of the more highly touted G prospect for awhile. Hudson has great technique and that gives him more playing power. Legs is maybe 20-30 pounds heavier and is slow footed and not as fundamental. Horrible comparison.
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